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People would rather wait hours in queue than olay vengeance
DarkStrifeYT
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Anyone else noticed that? Queue time for Grey host was insanely long but there was barely anyone in vegence? I saw more people in IC then queuing up for vengeance.
I am dark strife. Khajiit since arena... ya know when they were humans... with face paint... still khajiit only all games...
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decairn✭✭Yes, bunch of Blackreach refugees and people wanting to try out new werewolf and class masteries is what I saw in the population.1 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I logged after I crashed, I will not play this game if Vengeance is my only option and right now it is. I do not have the time to wait 1 to 2 hours for Qs.
Vengeance is not even the same game. No depth, no complexity feels like they tried to load a FPS in a fantasy game. What if we did the same thing to trials, let's make all trials with loadouts and put timers on all your rotations, and everyone does the same exact damage. No one would like that!!!! It would destroy PVE.PVP DEADWAIT
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BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I logged after I crashed, I will not play this game if Vengeance is my only option and right now it is. I do not have the time to wait 1 to 2 hours for Qs.
Vengeance is not even the same game. No depth, no complexity feels like they tried to load a FPS in a fantasy game. What if we did the same thing to trials, let's make all trials with loadouts and put timers on all your rotations, and everyone does the same exact damage. No one would like that!!!! It would destroy PVE.
My guild is looking at potentially playing in the sewers more. We have regular IC events so we enjoy playing in there anyways, and this may now give us reason to be in there more if we can't get into GH. We'll not be maining vengeance for sure.3 -
OsUfi✭✭✭✭✭
✭BXR_Lonestar wrote: »No I logged after I crashed, I will not play this game if Vengeance is my only option and right now it is. I do not have the time to wait 1 to 2 hours for Qs.
Vengeance is not even the same game. No depth, no complexity feels like they tried to load a FPS in a fantasy game. What if we did the same thing to trials, let's make all trials with loadouts and put timers on all your rotations, and everyone does the same exact damage. No one would like that!!!! It would destroy PVE.
My guild is looking at potentially playing in the sewers more. We have regular IC events so we enjoy playing in there anyways, and this may now give us reason to be in there more if we can't get into GH. We'll not be maining vengeance for sure.
I know a couple of guilds like this on AD PCEU. That works for me though, I loved IC over Covid. Was mad fun when the place was bumping!1 -
Jolter✭✭✭Long que for Grey Host and 0 bars for all factions in vengeance. No one wants this crap! The worst part is I can't play in Cyrodiil on my other faction toons now that Blackreach is gone. And vengeance doesn't have alliance point merchants, I can now never buy any gear in Cropsford since my main is Daggerfall Covenant. I don't understand why we couldn't have one other non-vengeance campaign to play in.9 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The haters were right. Vengeance only appeals to a fringe minority of people. It can be seen clear as day now.
On PC EU grayhost is currently capped and Vengeance has 1 bar each. Even Imperial City sometimes had 2 bars with select alliances.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac my ward,
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Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DarkStrifeYT wrote: »Anyone else noticed that? Queue time for Grey host was insanely long but there was barely anyone in vegence? I saw more people in IC then queuing up for vengeance.
Barely anyone? Last I looked at around 9pm BST, GH was pop-locked (360 players) and Vengeance had 4 bars (~400 players).PC EU
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Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The haters were right. Vengeance only appeals to a fringe minority of people. It can be seen clear as day now.
On PC EU grayhost is currently capped and Vengeance has 1 bar each. Even Imperial City sometimes had 2 bars with select alliances.
1 Bar in Vengeance = 3 bars in GH.PC EU
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tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lolPC-NA
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about barsPC|EU3 -
tomofhyrule✭✭✭✭✭
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Where is your source on 4 bars being exactly 400 players?Barely anyone? Last I looked at around 9pm BST, GH was pop-locked (360 players) and Vengeance had 4 bars (~400 players).
If the bars are as follows:- 0-100
- 101-200
- 201-300
I do agree that people need to realize that one bar of Vengeance could represent more people than one bar of GH. But why are you not considering that one bar Vengeance could also represent fewer than 100 people?8 -
Lekjih✭✭✭I'm not playing Vengeance. Perks and loadouts is Call of Duty speak, and I am uninterested in CoD in my fantasy rpg. I'd rather be locked to yellow and queue for hours than whatever Vengeance is meant to be.671d played, 257 on a Warden.
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CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭Ive said this before and I'll say it again, 100k dps per patch for GH. They don't want tanks, they dont want healing, they just want more. Lets cap PvP at 300k in PvP only at U51. For over a decade, we have been hearing from the same people with the same tiring stories and the same excuses. "There's always going to be a meta" "Some people play that way", "You need to change", "This needs to be toned down - which is the same thing as NERFING" and on and on. Its a repeat of a failing chapter in history. Over and over again. Zos is righting the ship. They see these things, and they're actively trying to do something about it.1
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✭✭tomofhyrule wrote: »I do agree that people need to realize that one bar of Vengeance could represent more people than one bar of GH. But why are you not considering that one bar Vengeance could also represent fewer than 100 people?
Mainly becuse when I'm fighting6there's about 25 to a side attacking and there no slowdown, I don't get kicked and skill fire as normally as they do in pve (not saying much).
So at the fight I was just in for bleaks there was a fair amount of siege 50 people duke ing it out and we were not the only game in town. This was also 7 ish Eastern so not even prime yet.
I have yet to go in and not see groups of around 20 a side rolling back and forth. Its been a great deal of fun.PCNA
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✭✭✭✭✭So I was someone who was cautiously optimistic, looking forward to Vengeance. But it seems that overall interest actually is very low so the population imbalance is quite extreme and if it's going to basically look like this most of the time (PC/NA):
(and just for comparison)
then it was all for nothing because no one is going to play. I don't have the solution, but I urge zos to urgently look at how it's been going so far and to go back to the drawing board. First impressions are important and if they actually care and want Vengeance to survive, like seriously the team has gotta go look at the data so far and put their heads together.Edited by valenwood_vegan on June 10, 2026 2:59AM1 -
Bernz007✭✭Gated 24/7 with no scrolls for the rest of the month
AD and DC gonna have to pay GH players gold to come reclaim their stuff1 -
Aces-High-82✭✭✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
Well you only get listed If you choose to be it your home campaign......1 -
Aces-High-82✭✭✭✭No I logged after I crashed, I will not play this game if Vengeance is my only option and right now it is. I do not have the time to wait 1 to 2 hours for Qs.
Vengeance is not even the same game. No depth, no complexity feels like they tried to load a FPS in a fantasy game. What if we did the same thing to trials, let's make all trials with loadouts and put timers on all your rotations, and everyone does the same exact damage. No one would like that!!!! It would destroy PVE.
I rather have a responsive PvP experience where mechanical skill matters than playing the desync plagued skill registering lottery slogfest in GH.2 -
amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
Vengeance forum defenders will just ignore that fact lmao2 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭honestly i just go where the people are i dont really care about vengeance or not...0 -
JohnRingo✭✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
Vengeance forum defenders will just ignore that fact lmao
My prediction: 60 days from now, there will be no more "Vengeance forum defenders" Vengeance is already dead. It just doesn't know it yet.
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Since one bar is all you ever see in Vengeance here's what that gets you
The haters were right. Vengeance only appeals to a fringe minority of people. It can be seen clear as day now.
Tried to tell em, these forums are not representative of the eso community. It is a very small and niche community that comes here to discuss their opinions, and most here do not actually pvp or complete difficult content.
Complaining about challenge gets upvoted, suggesting things be made more casual gets upvoted. I am very sorry to burst people's bubble here but if you step out of this echochamber, that sentiment is not matched at all, its the polar opposite.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...2 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »Ive said this before and I'll say it again, 100k dps per patch for GH. They don't want tanks, they dont want healing, they just want more. Lets cap PvP at 300k in PvP only at U51. For over a decade, we have been hearing from the same people with the same tiring stories and the same excuses. "There's always going to be a meta" "Some people play that way", "You need to change", "This needs to be toned down - which is the same thing as NERFING" and on and on. Its a repeat of a failing chapter in history. Over and over again. Zos is righting the ship. They see these things, and they're actively trying to do something about it.
i read these posts and wonder how many of yall play gh recently at all, its been very fun and active
For every one person here saying stuff like this, there's 10 waiting in queue for hours to get in on that sinking ship. The more refreshes they do the better it gets.
Unless you're in vengeance of course. And Vengeance isn't trying to do something about it, its throwing the baby out with the bathwater, raising the white flag of surrender. They even stated they don't believe they can improve greyhost performance... I dunno who greenlighted that statement but a company should never tell its customers that they cant improve their product unless that product is an 11/10Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭✭✭✭i would much rather play in veng than GH any day, im tired of the toxicity in pvp and want some actual balance lol
people dont also seem to understand that vengeance has 3x the pop caps of GH, so 1 bar in veng is = to poplock GH roughly
i absolutely wont sit in GH queue, but now that we have an actual balanced pvp camp, ill definitely be spending more time thereplays PC/NA
handle @Necrotech_Master
active player since april 2014
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭Aces-High-82 wrote: »tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
Well you only get listed If you choose to be it your home campaign......
And by pure chance just 199 did that for the so beloved Vengeance and 500+ (The list ends at 500) did it for the oh so hated Grey Host? You can't even argue that Grey Host just took its players before with it, because your home campaign had to be chosen new on Monday and the Leaderboard of player scores got reset (for most, some DC people on EU somehow kept their points).PC|EU3 -
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✭✭✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
No it doesn't. All that shows is more people put GH as their Home Campaign.PC EU
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »Can't speak to how many people you actually see in the campaign maps, but Vengeance has almost triple the max population, so judging by the bars is misleading. I wonder if it is making it look empty and discouraging people from joining. Maybe they need to add 9 bars lol
Well that defeats your argument about bars
No it doesn't. All that shows is more people put GH as their Home Campaign.
Yeah, which usually means its the campaign they play? Why would I put Vengeance as home, if I play Grey Host? Are you trying to upset me?Edited by L_Nici on June 10, 2026 9:22AMPC|EU4