Only 2 PvP campaigns in Cyro???

sshogrin · June 9

What the hell? Only 2 Cyrodiil campaigns?
Gray Host and Vengeance?
Gray Host is population locked, and Vengeance has hardly anybody in there.
I'm not going to say I'm a huge PvPer at all, but seriously? Only 2 campaigns?
I don't think that having only those 2 Cyro campaigns and 2 ImpCity campaigns are going to fix the problems in Cyrodiil.

Lucasl402 · June 9

Make that one PvP campaign. Vengeance is for PvE'rs.

Avran_Sylt · June 9

sshogrin wrote: »

What the hell? Only 2 Cyrodiil campaigns?
Gray Host and Vengeance?
Gray Host is population locked, and Vengeance has hardly anybody in there.
I'm not going to say I'm a huge PvPer at all, but seriously? Only 2 campaigns?
I don't think that having only those 2 Cyro campaigns and 2 ImpCity campaigns are going to fix the problems in Cyrodiil.

Vengence has the population of about Grey Host at the moment. A single bar means there's 100+ players in a given faction (for Vengence). (whereas poplock Grey Host is 120 players)

But ZoS, in their infinite wisdom, still haven't figured out the majority of people are casual, and haven't followed this information with a fine-tooth comb, and so they're kinda intentionally sabotaging their new playlist (or trying to Salvage Grey Host), by making the same metric most players are used to, the bars, display FALSE EQUIVALENCE INFORMATION.

React · June 9

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Vengence has the population of about Grey Host at the moment. A single bar means there's 100+ players in a given faction (for Vengence). (whereas poplock Grey Host is 120 players)

If I'm not mistaken, what the bars actually represent in vengeance works out to be;

1 Bar - 1-99
2 Bar - 100-199
3 Bar - 200-299
Lock - 300

Compared to the Grey Host bars which would be;

1 Bar - 1-39
2 Bar - 40-79
3 Bar - 80-119
Lock - 120

PC EU Primetime today vengeance had 2 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 50. PC NA Primetime today vengeance had 1 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 100+.

GH almost certainly has more players, especially when you consider the queue. Furthermore, there are 100% people who are now logging off instead of PVPing, because they're being faced with a 2 hour long queue just to get into the campaign.

Avran_Sylt · June 9

React wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Vengence has the population of about Grey Host at the moment. A single bar means there's 100+ players in a given faction (for Vengence). (whereas poplock Grey Host is 120 players)

If I'm not mistaken, what the bars actually represent in vengeance works out to be;

1 Bar - 1-99
2 Bar - 100-199
3 Bar - 200-299
Lock - 300

Compared to the Grey Host bars which would be;

1 Bar - 1-39
2 Bar - 40-79
3 Bar - 80-119
Lock - 120

PC EU Primetime today vengeance had 2 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 50. PC NA Primetime today vengeance had 1 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 100+.

GH almost certainly has more players, especially when you consider the queue. Furthermore, there are 100% people who are now logging off instead of PVPing, because they're being faced with a 2 hour long queue just to get into the campaign.

Given that there have been several times when I've queued for Grey Host during Lock and have had instant pops, I don't think Lock means at capacity, just near. Which is what my guess is for no bars as well.

No bar being literally zero people just seems impossible, as you'd still have questers and the like porting into Vengeance.

Bernz007 · June 9

There weren't any bars in Vengeance on xbox NA. Still 3 bars strong for all alliances on GH at this hour. Pretty pathetic launch imo...why set capacity so large when you can't even fill it smh

amiiegee · June 9

Bernz007 wrote: »

There weren't any bars in Vengeance on xbox NA. Still 3 bars strong for all alliances on GH at this hour. Pretty pathetic launch imo...why set capacity so large when you can't even fill it smh

Ofc they can’t fill it, people don’t like vengeance.

Arrow312 · June 9

React wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Vengence has the population of about Grey Host at the moment. A single bar means there's 100+ players in a given faction (for Vengence). (whereas poplock Grey Host is 120 players)

If I'm not mistaken, what the bars actually represent in vengeance works out to be;

1 Bar - 1-99
2 Bar - 100-199
3 Bar - 200-299
Lock - 300

Compared to the Grey Host bars which would be;

1 Bar - 1-39
2 Bar - 40-79
3 Bar - 80-119
Lock - 120

PC EU Primetime today vengeance had 2 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 50. PC NA Primetime today vengeance had 1 bar blue/1 red/1 yellow while GH was pop locked with a queue of 100+.

GH almost certainly has more players, especially when you consider the queue. Furthermore, there are 100% people who are now logging off instead of PVPing, because they're being faced with a 2 hour long queue just to get into the campaign.

Never play on patch day. But good to know that there are such high queue. Before i play Vengence i go and play something else.

Lokiator · June 9

amiiegee wrote: »

Bernz007 wrote: »

There weren't any bars in Vengeance on xbox NA. Still 3 bars strong for all alliances on GH at this hour. Pretty pathetic launch imo...why set capacity so large when you can't even fill it smh

Ofc they can’t fill it, people don’t like vengeance.

I didn't mind Vengeance when there were actually lots of people there, but it NEEDS lots of people to be any fun. When it's completely dead, as it now (for AD at least), there's no point in going there. The map is almost entirely red and there's nobody responding to group requests in chat.

At least in Standard or No-CP I was powerful enough to go solo some resources or even a keep when it was dead there and I was waiting for GH. But that's off the table in Vengeance, so with a lock on my faction in GH, I guess there's no longer a "waiting area" for Cyrodiil.

BXR_Lonestar · June 9

sshogrin wrote: »

What the hell? Only 2 Cyrodiil campaigns?
Gray Host and Vengeance?
Gray Host is population locked, and Vengeance has hardly anybody in there.
I'm not going to say I'm a huge PvPer at all, but seriously? Only 2 campaigns?
I don't think that having only those 2 Cyro campaigns and 2 ImpCity campaigns are going to fix the problems in Cyrodiil.

I personally love it. Finally there is some semblance of balance between the factions in terms of numbers, and a certain red faction on my server can no longer call in a bar+ of red for reinforcements from another campaign when a fight doesn't go well for them.