Permanent Vengeance update 50

Gabriel_H · June 8

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

heimdall14_9 · June 8

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Orbital78 · June 8

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Not true for my pvp guild. Social and pve guilds are a mixed bunch though they tend to focus on the main faction the rare chance they do pvp.

heimdall14_9 · June 8

Orbital78 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Not true for my pvp guild. Social and pve guilds are a mixed bunch though they tend to focus on the main faction the rare chance they do pvp.

so you claim not 1 single player in your pvp guild has an character outside of the guilds alliance ????

Gabriel_H · June 8

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

So your saying his point is moot?

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

You can't have it both ways. Either PvP guilds are a thing and his social guild buddy can join a DC one, or PvP guilds are not a thing, so there is nothing stopping him helping his social guild DC buddy.

Orbital78 · June 8

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Not true for my pvp guild. Social and pve guilds are a mixed bunch though they tend to focus on the main faction the rare chance they do pvp.

so you claim not 1 single player in your pvp guild has an character outside of the guilds alliance ????

Lol what? Of course ppl have alts. I have a DC and two AD but we only faction locked to EP. There are rules against going against our faction in Cyrodiil. I don't think since One Tamriel that would ever be the case as the game is not really pvp focused.

Gabriel_H · June 8

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Not true for my pvp guild. Social and pve guilds are a mixed bunch though they tend to focus on the main faction the rare chance they do pvp.

so you claim not 1 single player in your pvp guild has an character outside of the guilds alliance ????

I thought PvP guilds weren't a thing?!

heimdall14_9 · June 8

Gabriel_H wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

So your saying his point is moot?

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

You can't have it both ways. Either PvP guilds are a thing and his social guild buddy can join a DC one, or PvP guilds are not a thing, so there is nothing stopping him helping his social guild DC buddy.

you can thank one tamriel , but yes as the years has passed there is no true ALLIANCED based guilds like it use to be back beforehand because we couldnt see nor interact with them and the in-game alliance wars afterwards seen a few player get band over not stop kicking of different alliance players in dungeons . then cross-alliance guilds started becoming a big deal and pvp went from something enjoyable to an laggy mess

heimdall14_9 · June 8

Gabriel_H wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

not since 2018 has that been the case every guild is mixed no matter they say it or not there is no loyalty in PVP alliances anymore all 3 sides play as 1 depending how the wind blows

Not true for my pvp guild. Social and pve guilds are a mixed bunch though they tend to focus on the main faction the rare chance they do pvp.

so you claim not 1 single player in your pvp guild has an character outside of the guilds alliance ????

I thought PvP guilds weren't a thing?!

people can call their guilds pvp guilds all they'd like but at the end of the day all guilds are social guilds with a mix of alliance members within it some guilds might chose to pvp more then another dont make it any less a social guild nor does being in a pro claimed pvp guild mean everyone will be in your alliance , downfall to having 5 guilds is they all mixed alliance and your not going to be able to play with all of them all the time

my definition of a PVP GUILD would be a guild that has 0 players that has characters from another alliance then that of the guild

merevie · June 8

WHAT? We're losing Blackreach on weekends?

You are joking.

Queuing aside, how will people get to play their other faction accounts with their friends?

This also means shoving the Blackreach community into Greyhost, where they clearly do not want to be, and wrecking their weekend community.

This is not what the community feedback to Zos.

tomofhyrule · June 8

Gabriel_H wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There will be no way to play standard Cyrodiil without being Alliance-locked come Monday. If your PvP guild is EP and then your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, you say “glhf, because I literally can’t play with you”

If your social guild buddy is doing a DC emp push, wouldn't they be in a DC PvP guild?

You’re seriously missing the point.

I’m sure if they’re doing an emp push, they do have people. The point is that I can’t come with my friend.

I mean, what kind of an MMO says “oh, your friend is on a different alliance? Well, you can’t play with your friends! It’s a much better system to disallow people to play with irl friends because of their racial choices. We really want to encourage RP here, and that includes racial discrimination!”

Look, ESO originally did have the entire game alliance locked. They came back about a year later with One Tamriel and took those locks away because they thought it was more important to allow people to play with friends.

Jsmalls · June 8

My question is, when the inevitable happens and Gray Host is Pop locked with no one still participating in Vengeance, will we have to wait until the next large update to get another campaign...?

They said they would monitor it closely and react accordingly. How quickly will that reaction come?

I've always stayed out of Gray Host during prime time because it's a laggy mess with toxic ball groups. While I haven't given vengeance a fair chance, when I tried it on PTS it felt rather boring.

Just saw a chart where it ranked ESO has the 4th highest population MMO. How is it that ESO is that popular but on its biggest server (PC NA) is only filling out a single campaign...

Is it complete lack of interest in PvP from is playerbase or lack of PvP content..? Will we see an uptick with the new Veterancy system in this update?

aetherix8 · June 8

Jsmalls wrote: »

My question is, when the inevitable happens and Gray Host is Pop locked with no one still participating in Vengeance, will we have to wait until the next large update to get another campaign...?

They said they would monitor it closely and react accordingly. How quickly will that reaction come?

I've always stayed out of Gray Host during prime time because it's a laggy mess with toxic ball groups. While I haven't given vengeance a fair chance, when I tried it on PTS it felt rather boring.

Just saw a chart where it ranked ESO has the 4th highest population MMO. How is it that ESO is that popular but on its biggest server (PC NA) is only filling out a single campaign...

Is it complete lack of interest in PvP from is playerbase or lack of PvP content..? Will we see an uptick with the new Veterancy system in this update?

The more you complain about the lack of BR on forums and all the other available channels, the faster it will be available again. Make sure you bring many friends too. But first it has to go down; only then will ZOS take your feedback into account. I don't know why it works this way, but it works this way.

Maitsukas · June 8

Jsmalls wrote: »

My question is, when the inevitable happens and Gray Host is Pop locked with no one still participating in Vengeance, will we have to wait until the next large update to get another campaign...?

I assume it will be like it is with Whitestrake's Mayhem, there will be a downtime for several hours to add additional campaigns into the game. No patching is necessary for that.

BardokRedSnow · June 8

From Fengrush's stream:

Tried to tell ya, enjoy Vengeance!

tomofhyrule · June 8

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

From Fengrush's stream:

Tried to tell ya, enjoy Vengeance!

oh wait, do we finally not have to deal with that atrocious Chroma Incognito skybox in Vengeance anymore?

That'll definitely make it easier to go in since I know I'm not going to be able to get into the GH queue...
RIP BR

dcrush · 1:20AM

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

From Fengrush's stream:

Tried to tell ya, enjoy Vengeance!

And this is also why Vengeance should have been alliance locked as well.

Lucasl402 · 3:28AM

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

From Fengrush's stream:

Tried to tell ya, enjoy Vengeance!

Opening day prime time and vengeance can't get more than one bar pop, while GH is pop locked with a queue of over 80 players.