just did a dungeon run and im saying it again

FurryCandyHearts · June 7

these high level players with trial gear need to stop pissing in the kiddie pool so the rest of us can do the quest in the dungeon. They should be banned from niormal dungeons whil wearing training gear or playing toons above level 2k. Get out of the kiddie pool. You asked for harder content but then you ruin everyone elses play time with your desire to chase easy content. you wanted harder content so be required to do vet dungeons only.

Gederic · June 7

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

Treeshka · June 7

Sometimes it happens. We can not decide what sort of players we will get in our dungeons. It is best to tell them that you are doing a quest at the start. If they do not respect you or wait a few moments. It is best to leave the dungeon and try again.

In this case developers can also rework a few things. For example Selene's Web quest becomes unavailable if you kill the first mobs. Some other quests can also be reworked so this sort of thing never happens.

FurryCandyHearts · June 7

Gederic wrote: »

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

they can do that on VET and not be selfish

SilverBride · June 7

How is it selfish to play a normal dungeon?

ganzaeso · June 7

Dungeon Finder is full of low and high level with selfish objectives.

Use Group Finder instead to pre-form a random group for a better experience.

Its_MySniff · June 7

I'm 3600 on my main account and always run normal. I don't rush ahead and I wait for quest runners. I tank the best I can and run into groups all the time that struggle and need help, especially dlc content. I shouldn't be kept out of normal content due to speed runners and melt all gods.

majulook · June 7

Why do you want to ban me?

I do RND almost daily on my 3K+ CP healer I never rush it, I wait for those doing quests even waiting to be sure they get the quest completed after killing finale boss.

Frayton · June 7

You say that like the vet queue isn't also full of casuals that want to do the quest and a high CP player in raid gear automatically means raider, but they could be a casual just like you since normal raids are also casual.

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

You asked for harder content but then you ruin everyone elses play time with your desire to chase easy content. you wanted harder content so be required to do vet dungeons only.

I'm a vet trial raider and I never asked for harder content. That was mainly loud questing casuals like yourself who asked for it.

Form your own group of players who want to quest. Pugs will always be random unless you set up your own group and place specific requirements such as questers only.

OccultNerd · June 7

I do rnd mainly on my healer but also on DPS and don't have an issue if people want to take their time, I think one of the main problems is that some players don't speak up and say "doing quest" if we don't know you need the quest then why are we going to wait around?

So you want high CP players banned from normal content? Okay then low CP players should be banned from all Vet content, that seems fair? Why should us that have trials gear and decent amount of CP carry low CP players through vet trials and vet dungeons?

valenwood_vegan · June 7

My solution is that players who don't actually want a *random* group should be banned from the random group finder.

AcadianPaladin · June 7

About 2900 CP here. I've never asked for harder content. When I run with a group it is as a healer on normal. My position is basically behind others so I can see their health bars. I'm happy to wait for anyone who needs a bit of time to get the quest objectives done. The reason I sometimes run with a group is to support them as a healer and practice my craft. If I simply wanted transmutes, I'd solo the dungeon - which I can do on normal, and generally faster than with a group.

There are many courteous players of all levels - just like there are plenty of discourteous players of all levels.

Soarora · June 7

Since people are sharing that they did not ask for harder content… I do ask for harder content… and I avoid normal dungeons. Aside from leveling a character or skills (if leveling the skills affects my layout enough that I can’t perform well), I almost exclusively do random veteran. Claims of connecting opinions together aren’t a great way to make an argument. Of course, there are probably people who do random normal who asked for harder content who are doing it for the transmute, but you cannot link the two together as if it’s inherent.

katanagirl1 · June 7

No thanks. I understand the frustration with speed runners in group dungeons, I have experienced it too. Even when in multiple guilds, when I need to run dungeons (which I’m not fond of) I will queue up solo in the dungeon finder and do the 30 minute dps wait because no one is available. I choose normal because it is quicker and I can go on to do other things I enjoy more. I always stay with the group and stick around at the end in case anyone has the quest. I realize I am in the minority but don’t want to be punished because of others.

Gederic · June 7

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

they can do that on VET and not be selfish

There's nothing selfish about running a RND. What is selfish is refusing the basic communication at the start of a dungeon and telling your RND group you have the quest to do and then demanding on the forum the random group finder be catered exclusively to you and for long time players to be punished because they go fast.

As others have said in the thread. If you want a specific experience in your dungeon then utilize your friends list, guilds, or the Group Finder and set specific parameters and expectations.

DenverRalphy · June 7

I get and understand the OP's frustration. Unfortunately there's not much to be done for it, as the majority of the playerbase practices the "me first" approach to playing the game. There's nothing ZOS can really do about that. They could block access or remove incentives from vet players to use the RND. But that would only result in longer (if not indefinite) queue times for newer players/characters because there'd be a very small pool of volunteers to choose from.

There was a time when a modicum of decorum or respect was practiced among the ESO playerbase. Most players were actually happy to help and lift each other up. But that has largely disappeared. Sure some players will still hang back and assist without needing to be asked. Some will even help when it actually is asked for in group chat. But actually encountering those players in game are far and few between these days. Despite what some would like to claim, most players will just ignore any requests made in chat and zoom on forward anyway without a care in the world.

o_Primate_o · June 7

if you are doing quest in normal dungeon, tell the group you are questing. that usually works for me and i always wait patiently for others if they say they are questing or i'll bail if i'm impatient on a DD or H. A lot of base dungeons quests can break if you don't stop and interact with NPC.

Never do dungeon quests on vet if they require you to sit through dialogue out of respect to the other in your group. vet DLCs you should be ok on vet because i cant think if any that you cant just pick up quest, kill bosses, and turn in quest.

AzuraFan · June 7

Nope. I get it, and it's worse now with beam - there are times I feel like I'm being carried because someone is melting everything in 5 seconds. But sometimes I like it because it's a fast run. It's just not as fun.

If you want to do the quest, the dungeon finder isn't the place for that. Use the group finder.

DenverRalphy · June 7

AzuraFan wrote: »

Nope. I get it, and it's worse now with beam - there are times I feel like I'm being carried because someone is melting everything in 5 seconds. But sometimes I like it because it's a fast run. It's just not as fun.

When I'm running a RND on a beamer build (or any high DPS build for that matter), if I see at the outset that the rest of the group are lowbies, I will quite often just light attack everything that's not a boss.

I feel bad otherwise.

Orbital78 · June 7

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

they can do that on VET and not be selfish

Is it not selfish you feel a whole group must lollygag and run at your pace?

DenverRalphy · June 7

Orbital78 wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

they can do that on VET and not be selfish

Is it not selfish you feel a whole group must lollygag and run at your pace?

If the lowbie queued for specific dungeon and the other 3 queued RND, then nope.

Luneca · June 7

People do the dungeons on normal because there's no purpose to doing them on veteran once you've gotten what you wanted. A "possible" motif page isn't enough, and transmute and curation removed the need to grind for specific pieces.

Personally, I'm not ever wasting time running vet unless I need to level undaunted.

Athory · June 7

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

these high level players with trial gear need to stop pissing in the kiddie pool so the rest of us can do the quest in the dungeon. They should be banned from niormal dungeons whil wearing training gear or playing toons above level 2k. Get out of the kiddie pool. You asked for harder content but then you ruin everyone elses play time with your desire to chase easy content. you wanted harder content so be required to do vet dungeons only.

You're 100% correct...
This shouldn't be possible at all...
And this is a very, very old topic on the ESO forums. So let me tell you exactly what will happen next:
- Someone will come along and say, "Make your own group."
- ZOS won't care. Since they never have before, and that's exactly why we're here again.
- If you actually want to "play" the game, then you're probably in the wrong game (unless you play solo). ESO is all about speed, DPS numbers, and logs.

So... all you really need to know is this: nothing will change. Make your own group. No one cares.
But... you're 100% correct. Sadly, you won't change anything, and nothing will change.

Radiate77 · June 7

Random Normal = 101,047 XP & 10 Transmutes
Random Veteran = 101,047 XP & 10 Transmutes

Is it any surprise that experienced players who are in the queue for the rewards, would not want to spend 2x the time for the same payout?

Vonnegut2506 · June 7

I think ZOS should ban anyone from the forum that requests a ban on anyone else. That would make this place a more enjoyable spot to visit and get my daily dose of human stupidity.

LootAllTheStuff · June 7

I ran Scalecaller for the first time on normal with one other guildie, who was more than happy to go through it with me and wait while I checked for lore books. In fact, they were often busy checking all the nooks and crannies for chests and heavy sacks, so it worked out well for both of us. I know some folks are averse to guilds for reasons, and not all guilds are created equal. But it remains the best solution to the OP's problem.

Randoms are always going to random, so by law of averages you'll always end up with that speed runner with the meta build taking all the shortcuts, skipping whole mobs and never stopping for chests. It's annoying when that's very much NOT how you like to play the game (user name checks out), but "random is as random does", as Momma always used to say.

bmnoble · June 7

Far as I am concerned this is a design issue, they combined quests with random groups, it doesn't take a genius to realise your going to get jerks on occasion, the quests and dungeons should have been made in such a way, that you need to do the quest objectives to complete the dungeons, not just run ahead kill the final boss and leave, especially when you have quest objectives off the most direct path to the final boss that can easily be missed.

They could solve all this speed runner crap by auto giving the dungeon quest to all group members at the start regardless of whether they have done it or not on that character and you only get your transmute stones and XP when you turn in the quest at the end and those that want to re run the quests can without having to use another character.

Vaqual · June 7

Your tone is a bit harsh, considering there isn't a single line of text in the game that says randoms normals are supposed to be treated as kiddie pool (as of today).

DoofusMax · June 8

For my main characters, I usually save the pokey lore-runs for running solo, but I have a couple of low-levels on EU who are doing random normals for the XP, skill points, Undaunted rewards, and other stuff. While the OP's tone is perhaps overly harsh regarding higher-level players, the underlying concept is not. I really do not appreciate having my Level 30-ish under-equipped butt unceremoniously hauled into boss encounters because the high-level at the front decided to blast through and aggro everything on the way to the boss, leaving me and any other low-level to wade through that and wonder what the heck is going on before getting dragged into a fight we hadn't reached yet.

The major problem is that the only way to get those Undaunted rewards is to queue for the random dungeon and it doesn't matter whether you're high-level, low-level, or between-level: the Dungeon Finder is the only way to get those rewards.

I kind of like the idea that if you arrive at a boss with two or fewer group members present, you automatically trigger hardmode (vet difficulty would be gravy, but no loot if you survive) and you can maybe lay there on the floor waiting for the rest of us to get there and rez your butt, at which point the boss would reset to its regular difficulty and the fight could restart with the full group present. And for your flex, assuming you survived that hardmode fight, you get an automatic title with a server-reset cooldown which says something to the effect of "My Time is More Valuable Than Yours" so everyone else can know how special you are.

spartaxoxo · June 8

When I want to hear the quest, then I just solo it. When I want a challenge, I do it on vet. When I want transmutes, keys, or time points, I do it on normal.

I actually don't want challenge every time even though I asked for challenge difficulty. I'll just turn it off when I don't want it. Sometimes I'm not physically up to the harder stuff and sometimes I'm just simply not in the mood.

I should not be obligated to play this game like it's Dark Souls just because I am capable of hard content.

Form your own group or get a solo build and do it yourself.

There are things ZOS can and should do to lower the impact of speedrunners. Like there are quests that speedrunners can force you to skip without your consent by running ahead. That is not a thing in newer dungeons and they should go back and fix the old ones. But ZOS shouldn't be banning anyone because of stuff like that.

Tallon_IV · June 8

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

Can't believe all those toxic raiders are also allowed to do their random normal daily for transmutes and xp too. Should probably just ban them from the game entirely at this point.

they can do that on VET and not be selfish

Why if the rewards are the same?