Is decorating a money grab?

AScarlato · June 1

JustLovely wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

ToddIngram wrote: »

They should separate housing into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again.

By that logic...
They should separate PVP into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again. (Just kidding PVPers, no hate here.)

Just because you don't like an aspect of the game, doesn't mean it should be removed/separated from the game, just to cater to your particular preferences.

As a PvP main, I've always said we'd be better off if they sold PvP as a separate module and kept the focus on maintaining the performance we used to have. PvP players suffer by having to share a server with housing enthusiasts and vice versa. If it would mean better performance, we absolutely would be better off if different parts of the game were sold and supported separately.

The end result could also be that mere pieces of this game work well in a combined MMO environment, and would fail as standalone products.

I enjoy housing as a part of my MMO / RP experience. I like using money I earn from other activities to fund it. But I in no way play a housing-only game myself.

Alphawolf01A · June 1

In keeping with the theme of this thread, "A house divided against itself cannot stand", seems appropriate.

Aelfan · June 1

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

In keeping with the theme of this thread, "A house divided against itself cannot stand", seems appropriate.

I actually don't remember saying that I hate PVP or anything like that. Any MMORP worth playing has vast areas of the game that any given particular individual may have no time for, but we all play in the same game nonetheless. If anything, housing is less of a drain on the resources of the game as a whole as they are just selling assets that have been developed to create the game in the first place.

Really, I know that I need every zone to make a home for each of my toons. For example, zones I don't like playing for aesthetic reasons are necessary to provide objects to decorate the home of my new necromancer!

Alphawolf01A · June 1

What? I never said, that you said, you hate PVP. My PVP comment was quoted to ToddIngram's comment regarding separating housing into its own game.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · June 2

Housing is truly beautiful in Eso and there are tons of very talented people who do amazing things with it. I consider it to be true end game.

To answer the question, I'd say it depends on 2 things: time and RNG. If youve got one or the other, its cheaper and faster. If you're like me, your furnishing vault piles up every week while you drop off furniture you will never use to empty houses you don't decorate while you put your gold you already dont have enough of into a Guild Trader instead of housing. My RNG is too bad for housing and I've farmed so many things in the game, the last thing im going to do is farm housing mats. Or rare plans for furniture.

BretonMage · June 2

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

My RNG is too bad for housing

Tbf it's not just your RNG. RNG for furnishings/plans in general is just very bad, and we are trying to protest against it, seemingly to no avail. :'(

They did improve the drop rates for housing mats a few updates ago though, so it's hopefully not a completely lost cause.

SilverBride · June 2

The IA has 3 furnishing plans every week.

MRAW · June 2

SilverBride wrote: »

The IA has 3 furnishing plans every week.

Right, these are 2000 fortunes which can be translated in something like 20k gold (considering the mats you could also buy there), so I would only buy those plans that are >25k gold worth (TTC) and others at guild traders

BretonMage · June 2

SilverBride wrote: »

The IA has 3 furnishing plans every week.

There are 1,742 blue and purple tier plans, so at 3 plans per week, I can hope to finally purchase all of the current ones by 2037. That's assuming I don't miss a single week.

SilverBride · June 2

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The IA has 3 furnishing plans every week.

There are 1,742 blue and purple tier plans, so at 3 plans per week, I can hope to finally purchase all of the current ones by 2037. That's assuming I don't miss a single week.

I was buying all 3 every week on my main crafter, but recently stopped buying ones I never saw myself using because I don't run the IA nearly as often as I used to and I don't want to run out of fortunes in case something comes along I really want.

I do buy some with writ vouchers but don't want to run short of those, either.

But there is a downside to knowing so many plans. I have to scroll forever to find what I am looking for because for some reason they don't subcategorize our crafting table interface like they do the housing tabs. So parlor has everything all in one big list instead of separated into Banners, Carpets, Tapestries, etc..

BretonMage · June 2

If Filer Ool was intended to be a mercy system for us, they'd really need to increase the number of plans on offer. Having to rely on an 11 year cycle is nowhere near the bounds of reason.

MRAW · June 2

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

There are 1,742 blue and purple tier plans, so at 3 plans per week, I can hope to finally purchase all of the current ones by 2037. That's assuming I don't miss a single week.

The reality is you can go to guild traders and - with an addon - search for all plans you do not already know and set a maximum price, e.g. 10k. Then you can buy hundreds of plans within half an hour. There actually wont be left too many if you do that regulary.

BretonMage · June 2

We won't have any gold left either

That aside, I like looking for my own plans - I'm not opposed to a bit of grind. It's just that a lot of the DLC plans with low drop rates require really unreasonable levels of grind. But in any case, yeah, I do purchase them from guild traders if I have to.

SilverBride · June 2

BretonMage wrote: »

We won't have any gold left either

That aside, I like looking for my own plans - I'm not opposed to a bit of grind. It's just that a lot of the DLC plans with low drop rates require really unreasonable levels of grind. But in any case, yeah, I do purchase them from guild traders if I have to.

I've tried to farm for certain plans but have never found the one I was looking for so I just buy from traders now.

Taarente · June 2

JustLovely wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

ToddIngram wrote: »

They should separate housing into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again.

By that logic...
They should separate PVP into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again. (Just kidding PVPers, no hate here.)

Just because you don't like an aspect of the game, doesn't mean it should be removed/separated from the game, just to cater to your particular preferences.

As a PvP main, I've always said we'd be better off if they sold PvP as a separate module and kept the focus on maintaining the performance we used to have. PvP players suffer by having to share a server with housing enthusiasts and vice versa. If it would mean better performance, we absolutely would be better off if different parts of the game were sold and supported separately.

that is not how the game actually works.

CatoUnchained · June 2

Taarente wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

ToddIngram wrote: »

They should separate housing into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again.

By that logic...
They should separate PVP into a separate game and charge subscription for it. That way those of us who don't want to ever see or hear about it can enjoy eso again. (Just kidding PVPers, no hate here.)

Just because you don't like an aspect of the game, doesn't mean it should be removed/separated from the game, just to cater to your particular preferences.

As a PvP main, I've always said we'd be better off if they sold PvP as a separate module and kept the focus on maintaining the performance we used to have. PvP players suffer by having to share a server with housing enthusiasts and vice versa. If it would mean better performance, we absolutely would be better off if different parts of the game were sold and supported separately.

that is not how the game actually works.

There are lots of games that sell and support modules for adding on to their games. Not saying it would work for ESO, but it might have if they'd set it up that way from the beginning. That way those who want housing would be paying into that system but not into PvP, and the PvP players wouldn't be paying to support housing. This is all a hypothetic discussion though. Everyone knows ZOS isn't going to change their game in this way. But if they'd done it from the start they'd be selling more stuff to more people today probably.

SilverBride · June 2

I don't see how that would get them to sell more. I personally want a game that has a wide variety of activities I can do and not have to pay for each activity separately.

CatoUnchained · June 2

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't see how that would get them to sell more. I personally want a game that has a wide variety of activities I can do and not have to pay for each activity separately.

A jack of all trades is the master of none.

duagloth · June 2

Probably the only thing floating this game now.

freespirit · June 3

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

DenverRalphy · June 3

freespirit wrote: »

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

What server are you on that the Solitude Display Shelf Blueprinit sells for 330k? Yikes. On PSNA it sells for around 30k-ish just like any other purple Solitude furnishing plan.

SilverBride · June 3

I may get the Redguard Satchel but that Solitude Shelf is not a style I'd use.

Hamish999 · June 3

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

What server are you on that the Solitude Display Shelf Blueprinit sells for 330k? Yikes. On PSNA it sells for around 30k-ish just like any other purple Solitude furnishing plan.

You're in for a shock if cross play ever happens

freespirit · June 3

Hamish999 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

What server are you on that the Solitude Display Shelf Blueprinit sells for 330k? Yikes. On PSNA it sells for around 30k-ish just like any other purple Solitude furnishing plan.

You're in for a shock if cross play ever happens

It says in my post but PC-EU, also that 330k was at the time of my post the cheapest by a fair amount.

Trading is certainly something that needs to be dealt with carefully depending on how cross play is instigated!! 🤔

DenverRalphy · June 3

freespirit wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

What server are you on that the Solitude Display Shelf Blueprinit sells for 330k? Yikes. On PSNA it sells for around 30k-ish just like any other purple Solitude furnishing plan.

You're in for a shock if cross play ever happens

It says in my post but PC-EU, also that 330k was at the time of my post the cheapest by a fair amount.

Trading is certainly something that needs to be dealt with carefully depending on how cross play is instigated!! 🤔

Out of curiosity, I just perused the online price checkers, and PC EU seems to be the odd one out with crazy high prices for that blueprint. PC NA is more in line with what the other servers see. I can't see any discernable reason that blueprint would be so high on the traders on PC EU. The blueprint itself is not rare. In fact can be found and commonly availabe in one of the funisher documents available from Faustina Curio.

PC EU must have some really wierd trader economy. If crossplay were to ever happen, I'd make a killing just from purchasing furnishing folios and rolling them over into gold from PC EU players.

freespirit · June 3

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Talking of IA, there's a couple of expensive plans there this week....

Furnishing Pattern: Redguard Satchel, Heavy (2000 Fortunes) - PC-EU cheapest on TTC 3.5mill

Furnishing Blueprint: Solitude Display Shelf, Noble Filled (2000 Fortunes) - as above but cheapest 330k

What server are you on that the Solitude Display Shelf Blueprinit sells for 330k? Yikes. On PSNA it sells for around 30k-ish just like any other purple Solitude furnishing plan.

You're in for a shock if cross play ever happens

It says in my post but PC-EU, also that 330k was at the time of my post the cheapest by a fair amount.

Trading is certainly something that needs to be dealt with carefully depending on how cross play is instigated!! 🤔

Out of curiosity, I just perused the online price checkers, and PC EU seems to be the odd one out with crazy high prices for that blueprint. PC NA is more in line with what the other servers see. I can't see any discernable reason that blueprint would be so high on the traders on PC EU. The blueprint itself is not rare. In fact can be found and commonly availabe in one of the funisher documents available from Faustina Curio.

PC EU must have some really wierd trader economy. If crossplay were to ever happen, I'd make a killing just from purchasing furnishing folios and rolling them over into gold from PC EU players.

That can work already but tbh the bigger Folios may have one or two high priced plans, the rest not being worth much at all.

Recently I've been doing something similar with Summerset ones, Alinor plans can still sell quite high and I had an excess of vouchers from using writs to level one of my lesser accounts.

However once I had used up those vouchers it then became more profitable to sell the mats and the writs, until next double xp event when I will be leveling again. 😀