Another guild sending unsolicited Guild invites

SilverBride · May 30

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want. I replied I was going to report them and not to do it again but they kept arguing until I got the ticket submitted, which put them on ignore.

@ZOS_Kevin Is there anything we can do to stop this guild from starting this practice of sending unsolicited guild invites?

Frayton · May 30

SilverBride wrote: »

they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want

lol

SilverBride · May 30

That was my second reaction.

wolfie1.0. · May 31

Please just let us check a box to auto decline these things. We know its possible because we can do it for dueling.

SilverBride · May 31

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Please just let us check a box to auto decline these things. We know its possible because we can do it for dueling.

That is probably the only thing that will work. We have been dealing with this type of thing for years with the other guild. We don't need another one doing it now, too.

Gegensmith · May 31

The only thing toxic about this thread is the disgusting post by @imPDA. ZoS have been addressing the problem of unsolicited guild invites. It's a recognised problem and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the OP's response. The guild imPDA is talking about didn't in fact use bots, but they did force their officers to run an add on that auto-invited. ZOS have reassured us that they're putting a stop to that. I trust they're going to follow through with this particular instance.

ToddIngram · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want. I replied I was going to report them and not to do it again but they kept arguing until I got the ticket submitted, which put them on ignore. This is the ticket number: 260530-001757

@ZOS_Kevin Is there anything we can do to stop this guild from starting this practice?

Good grief. Can we please log onto the forums without having to read another special request to tailor the game to just this one person? Please?

Zone chat guild invites ARE NOT against the ToS. You can just put them on ignore if you don't want them whispering you. Problem solved and ZOS doesn't even have to step in to make it happen.

ToddIngram · May 31

imPDA wrote: »

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Thank you. Well said.
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AScarlato · May 31

I think based on how large the other thread(s) were about this same issue, they are probably aware of the request for an auto-decline guild invite toggle. I also think it would be helpful and like others said could work like the duel toggle.

Some guilds trying to get off the ground may be a bit more aggressive than I personally like, but I would not report someone trying to grow their membership as long as it's an actual person, which it seems this one was.

There is a lot of this behavior in FFXIV, and in fact it's how I joined the guild I have been in there for 3 years now. Most people don't stick, but some do - so sometimes it's worth the attempt to get to meet people. Some players may not even know how to join guilds so this tactic sometimes works out.

Just my opinion.

SilverBride · May 31

AScarlato wrote: »

I think based on how large the other thread(s) were about this same issue, they are probably aware of the request for an auto-decline guild invite toggle. I also think it would be helpful and like others said could work like the duel toggle.

Some guilds trying to get off the ground may be a bit more aggressive than I personally like, but I would not report someone trying to grow their membership as long as it's an actual person, which it seems this one was.

There is a lot of this behavior in FFXIV, and in fact it's how I joined the guild I have been in there for 3 years now. Most people don't stick, but some do - so sometimes it's worth the attempt to get to meet people. Some players may not even know how to join guilds so this tactic sometimes works out.

Just my opinion.

If this player would have responded with something like "Sorry to have bothered you" that would have been the end of it and I would have just let it go. But they immediately got hostile and I was not going to be subjected to these invites every time I go to do my daily writs.

AScarlato · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

I think based on how large the other thread(s) were about this same issue, they are probably aware of the request for an auto-decline guild invite toggle. I also think it would be helpful and like others said could work like the duel toggle.

Some guilds trying to get off the ground may be a bit more aggressive than I personally like, but I would not report someone trying to grow their membership as long as it's an actual person, which it seems this one was.

There is a lot of this behavior in FFXIV, and in fact it's how I joined the guild I have been in there for 3 years now. Most people don't stick, but some do - so sometimes it's worth the attempt to get to meet people. Some players may not even know how to join guilds so this tactic sometimes works out.

Just my opinion.

If this player would have responded with something like "Sorry to have bothered you" that would have been the end of it and I would have just let it go. But they immediately got hostile and I was not going to be subjected to these invites every time I go to do my daily writs.

When I get unsolicitied requests, typically a simple "no thank you" ends the entire interaction. If not, ignoring it and blocking usually is enough too.

I don't really get into much conflict in game, so that seems to have worked well for me.

Can a blocked player send you guild invites? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but if not that could help too.

This is of course assuming this player is going to be at the writ station regularly at the same time as you, which who knows.

ToddIngram · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

I think based on how large the other thread(s) were about this same issue, they are probably aware of the request for an auto-decline guild invite toggle. I also think it would be helpful and like others said could work like the duel toggle.

Some guilds trying to get off the ground may be a bit more aggressive than I personally like, but I would not report someone trying to grow their membership as long as it's an actual person, which it seems this one was.

There is a lot of this behavior in FFXIV, and in fact it's how I joined the guild I have been in there for 3 years now. Most people don't stick, but some do - so sometimes it's worth the attempt to get to meet people. Some players may not even know how to join guilds so this tactic sometimes works out.

Just my opinion.

If this player would have responded with something like "Sorry to have bothered you" that would have been the end of it and I would have just let it go. But they immediately got hostile and I was not going to be subjected to these invites every time I go to do my daily writs.

And since they're on your ignore list the perceived problem is already resolved. Congratulations. You fixed it.

SilverBride · May 31

AScarlato wrote: »

When I get unsolicitied requests, typically a simple "no thank you" ends the entire interaction. If not, ignoring it and blocking usually is enough too.

I don't really get into much conflict in game, so that seems to have worked well for me.

Can a blocked player send you guild invites? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but if not that could help too.

This is of course assuming this player is going to be at the writ station regularly at the same time as you, which who knows.

After dealing with a similar situation for over 10 years my patience with this kind of thing has worn thin.

AScarlato · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

When I get unsolicitied requests, typically a simple "no thank you" ends the entire interaction. If not, ignoring it and blocking usually is enough too.

I don't really get into much conflict in game, so that seems to have worked well for me.

Can a blocked player send you guild invites? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but if not that could help too.

This is of course assuming this player is going to be at the writ station regularly at the same time as you, which who knows.

After dealing with a similar situation for over 10 years my patience with this kind of thing has worn thin.

Life's way too short.

Hope they add in the toggle though.

SilverBride · May 31

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

When I get unsolicitied requests, typically a simple "no thank you" ends the entire interaction. If not, ignoring it and blocking usually is enough too.

I don't really get into much conflict in game, so that seems to have worked well for me.

Can a blocked player send you guild invites? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but if not that could help too.

This is of course assuming this player is going to be at the writ station regularly at the same time as you, which who knows.

After dealing with a similar situation for over 10 years my patience with this kind of thing has worn thin.

Life's way too short.

Hope they add in the toggle though.

I'm really surprised they haven't. I see nothing negative that could come from it so why isn't it a thing yet?

BretonMage · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want.

Isn't spamming in chat against the code of conduct though? I think that would make whispered guild invites against the rules, wouldn't it?

SilverBride · May 31

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want.

Isn't spamming in chat against the code of conduct though? I think that would make whispered guild invites against the rules, wouldn't it?

I had never had anyone whisper me a guild recruitment message before, so it was a bit strange but not something I would feel the need to respond to. It was the fact that they then immediately sent the invite without even waiting to see if I was interested that I found inappropriate.

sleepy_worm · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

After dealing with a similar situation for over 10 years my patience with this kind of thing has worn thin.

I feel the same way about a different situation.

AScarlato · May 31

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want.

Isn't spamming in chat against the code of conduct though? I think that would make whispered guild invites against the rules, wouldn't it?

I don't think whispering people one message constitutes spamming in the ways I've seen MMO's have rules against it. I think that refers to repeating the same message quickly over and over again.

Vaqual · May 31

Auto-decline for guild invites is a reasonable feature, many games have it.

BretonMage · May 31

AScarlato wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I was in Vivec City doing writs and received a whisper of a guild recruitment message followed by an unsolicited guild invite. I replied to not send any more guild invites and they argued saying I wasn't their mom and they can do what they want.

Isn't spamming in chat against the code of conduct though? I think that would make whispered guild invites against the rules, wouldn't it?

I don't think whispering people one message constitutes spamming in the ways I've seen MMO's have rules against it. I think that refers to repeating the same message quickly over and over again.

Whispering one person might not, but whispering lots of people the same message might constitute spamming. It's what I understand about the definition of spamming anyway.

SilverBride · May 31

It wasn't the whispering that I am complaining about. I have been approached by other guilds that whispered me and told a bit about their guild and asked if I was interested. It was the fact that they immediately sent the invite without even asking if I was interested. That was too much like what the other guild was doing.

And to clarify, the only reason I reported it was to have a record of me asking them not to send me any more unsolicited invites.

Techwolf_Lupindo · May 31

imPDA wrote: »

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Found the guild invite spammer. :-D
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SwordOfSagas · May 31

Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »

imPDA wrote: »

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Found the guild invite spammer. :-D

They sent 1 invite, I wouldn't call that spam...
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Tandor · May 31

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

When I get unsolicitied requests, typically a simple "no thank you" ends the entire interaction. If not, ignoring it and blocking usually is enough too.

I don't really get into much conflict in game, so that seems to have worked well for me.

Can a blocked player send you guild invites? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but if not that could help too.

This is of course assuming this player is going to be at the writ station regularly at the same time as you, which who knows.

After dealing with a similar situation for over 10 years my patience with this kind of thing has worn thin.

Life's way too short.

Hope they add in the toggle though.

I'm really surprised they haven't. I see nothing negative that could come from it so why isn't it a thing yet?

I wonder if some guilds have complained that it would impact their normal recruitment? That's the only reason not to have it in my view, and if the only problem is lack of time to implement it they could resolve a lot of the discussions about it by announcing that they intend to implement a toggle when they can fit it into their schedule. As it is, they've never commented on the request and so here we are.

Back in the day when I used to run with guilds (in other games) I was never approached randomly by guilds, invitations only came as a result of grouping or otherwise interacting actively with officers who if they thought you might be a good fit for their guild would then raise the question and if a player was interested they'd take it further including in the case of my first guild in EQ running a couple of challenges. I'm not a fan of the modern way of random invites just to keep the numbers up.

imPDA · May 31

There was a guild which sent invites to

Gegensmith wrote: »

The only thing toxic about this thread is the disgusting post by @imPDA. ZoS have been addressing the problem of unsolicited guild invites. It's a recognised problem and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the OP's response. The guild imPDA is talking about didn't in fact use bots, but they did force their officers to run an add on that auto-invited. ZOS have reassured us that they're putting a stop to that. I trust they're going to follow through with this particular instance.

The only unsolicited thing in this thread is your comment. I don't want to receive this again, don't write to me again, where can I put a ticket?

Standing still in bushes for hours looking at wayshrine and inviting everyone arrived as soon as they appear under reticle is in fact sound like a botting, the fact you used addons does not mean it is not. Many addon features got removed because they were considered "unwanted automation" (cheats, exploits, abuses, etc.), so, because of this guild some features can be turned off for all modders which I really dislike in general, because some other addon author can use it in a good way.

For everyone else, if you are not afraid of addons as some other forum members, you can install https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info4601-GuildInviteBlocker.html and not to wait for ZOS to add this feature (free promotion of other modder lets goooooooo!). And if you are interested in PvP, check out my addons as well

aetherix8 · May 31

How rude, wrong and condescending some of the comments here are.

This reminds me of tbagging. If it bothers me and I ask the tbagger to stop, but they ignore my request and keep doing their ***, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. Disclaimer: it doesn't bother me and I happen to tbag others from time to time.

The same rule applies here IMHO. If someone whispers guild info to me and invites me, and I decline and ask them to stop sending me invites, but they keep refusing to respect my decision, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. It is as simple as that, end of story.

Nordstern · May 31

Are we complaining about everything at this point? Unsolicited guild invites? What is going on? I get group invites all the time even though I dont want to join. Just ignore it or if you cant endure it for whatever reason block them?!

Nordstern · May 31

aetherix8 wrote: »

How rude, wrong and condescending some of the comments here are.

This reminds me of tbagging. If it bothers me and I ask the tbagger to stop, but they ignore my request and keep doing their ***, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. Disclaimer: it doesn't bother me and I happen to tbag others from time to time.

The same rule applies here IMHO. If someone whispers guild info to me and invites me, and I decline and ask them to stop sending me invites, but they keep refusing to respect my decision, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. It is as simple as that, end of story.

This is also debatable. Theres plenty of Triple A video games that actively motivate their players to tbag. Thats something you have to endure playing online video games.

aetherix8 · May 31

Nordstern wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

How rude, wrong and condescending some of the comments here are.

This reminds me of tbagging. If it bothers me and I ask the tbagger to stop, but they ignore my request and keep doing their ***, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. Disclaimer: it doesn't bother me and I happen to tbag others from time to time.

The same rule applies here IMHO. If someone whispers guild info to me and invites me, and I decline and ask them to stop sending me invites, but they keep refusing to respect my decision, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. It is as simple as that, end of story.

This is also debatable. Theres plenty of Triple A video games that actively motivate their players to tbag. Thats something you have to endure playing online video games.

There is nothing debatable about tbagging in ESO. It has been confirmed over and over that if you tbag someone and they ask you to stop, and you ignore their request and continue bothering them, then you are very much at risk of getting banned. Different games, different rules.

Nordstern · May 31

aetherix8 wrote: »

Nordstern wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

How rude, wrong and condescending some of the comments here are.

This reminds me of tbagging. If it bothers me and I ask the tbagger to stop, but they ignore my request and keep doing their ***, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. Disclaimer: it doesn't bother me and I happen to tbag others from time to time.

The same rule applies here IMHO. If someone whispers guild info to me and invites me, and I decline and ask them to stop sending me invites, but they keep refusing to respect my decision, then they have crossed a line, will get reported, and might get banned. It is as simple as that, end of story.

This is also debatable. Theres plenty of Triple A video games that actively motivate their players to tbag. Thats something you have to endure playing online video games.

There is nothing debatable about tbagging in ESO. It has been confirmed over and over that if you tbag someone and they ask you to stop, and you ignore their request and continue bothering them, then you are very much at risk of getting banned. Different games, different rules.

Well, in my opinion it is absolutely debatable if ZOS's stance on this is right. Also how in the world are you going to prove that you got tbagged AFTER you told someone not to? People will just claim that they told them before because for some reason they really enjoy other people getting banned from playing a video game. People have gotten too weak and instead of bothering about things like this how would it be to sanction players that are cheating? If I missed it I apologize but i havent seen any info from ZOS about banning Cronus users for example. Other developers have done it, its absolutely possible.