Trial Gear BoE

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 28

It would be cool if trial gear was bind on equip. This would make trial players rich and give them more of a reason to farm the trials.

If they want to gate keep it, they could make it so you have to fill the sticker book first before its BoE.

This would also let players that dont like trials to get the gear and play how they want. They dont have to engage in content they dont like.

Honestly i'd be ok if it worked this way for dungeons too.

Treeshka · May 28

This idea can be explored after all the previous trials that belongs to a chapter are base game.

You can already see that the design choice about Night Market where you can only get set items from base game, including Trial gear which are from Craglorns.

Frayton · May 28

I think everything should be tradable outside of your group.

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 28

Treeshka wrote: »

This idea can be explored after all the previous trials that belongs to a chapter are base game.

You can already see that the design choice about Night Market where you can only get set items from base game, including Trial gear which are from Craglorns.

I acuatally just noticed that too shortly after making this post and like that.

I still think allowing players to farm and vendor would be a better player experience though.

frogthroat · May 28

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Gabriel_H · May 28

Trial gear is useful for trials. So, just run trials?

Ordinator199 · May 28

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Gotta wear the meta bro no matter what, I also love how some trial guilds also being strict on 120K+ dps parses for something like vhof or admitting people only wearing perfected trial gear because surely that extra 1k stat or 2% crit is make or break for completions of trials, closing their eyes that people where achieving dragon slayer years ago with 60-70k dps etc.

Gabriel_H · May 28

Ordinator199 wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Gotta wear the meta bro no matter what, I also love how some trial guilds also being strict on 120K+ dps parses for something like vhof or admitting people only wearing perfected trial gear because surely that extra 1k stat or 2% crit is make or break for completions of trials, closing their eyes that people where achieving dragon slayer years ago with 60-70k dps etc.

... but ... but ... [Insert Content Creator] said I needed it?!

Ordinator199 · May 28

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Ordinator199 wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Gotta wear the meta bro no matter what, I also love how some trial guilds also being strict on 120K+ dps parses for something like vhof or admitting people only wearing perfected trial gear because surely that extra 1k stat or 2% crit is make or break for completions of trials, closing their eyes that people where achieving dragon slayer years ago with 60-70k dps etc.

... but ... but ... [Insert Content Creator] said I needed it?!

So many people falling into the same trap, they read or see a guide and try to replicate 100% instead of using as something to base around of and push off of, but make adjustments that suite themselves. For example Hyperioxes has some great guides, but I've seen so many tanks now trying to follow his guide to the letter for the subclass tank and failing miserably trying to keep up all those buffs, casting the mount scribing spell chaoticly, leashing soul random adds in trials etc, instead of taking a step back, slotting some passive defensive onto their bars to get comfortable tanking and then gradually adding back said skills to actually learn and be proficient with them one at a time, nope they keep spamming scribed skills they ain't got idea how to properly use, in the end up buff times being 30% of what they should be etc.

Raid leads who push them players to subclass into certain things outside of regular play style that are not big improvements (e.i atro ulti for a tank) are even worse. Just because you make a guy wear martial knowledge and use it on a healer in vas+2 doesn't mean he will be able to instantly come in and use that set properly while kiting.

frogthroat · May 28

Yeah, unless you do difficult instanced content, using (perfected) Null Arca in nFG1 or when defeating Molag Bal in main quest is kinda like taking Leopard 2A7+ when you go shopping at your local supermarket. A "slight" overkill.

msgeek · May 28

I always liked the idea of a rare(ish) item (e.g. "tome of unbinding") that could convert any bound item to unbound.

Let people choose what to use it on to sell and make some gold.

Avran_Sylt · May 28

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Some of the PvE Trials gear can great for stacking offensive stats or procs in PvP. Think Null Arca is somewhat popular, and myself i'm interested in upgrading to Perfected Mora Scribe's Thesis at some point over Order's Wrath (+3% crit chance and +4% crit damage when all buffed).

Still think it should require engagement in PvE content though.

BXR_Lonestar · May 28

No, I'm kinda okay with you having to earn your trial and dungeon gear. There's an easy option for farming, and a vet option for those who want a challenge. There is enough other stuff to sell in the economy.

Soarora · May 28

This does not negate the suggestion but reminder that carries exist… for gear, not just clears. So, not an entirely novel concept.

Emeratis · May 28

Dungeon and trial gear used to be unbound and you could occasionally see some of that legacy gear sold on guild traders along with other legacy novelty items. I kinda wish it was unbound sometimes because in my trial guild most people have full stickerbook and the amount of meta gear I've gotten that could go to a good home that is just getting deconned during progs is absurdly high and I'd love to give them away to people or sell it. Carries already exist and this just eliminates some steps for that and it could be interesting for the in game economy.

wolfie1.0. · May 28

I do find it fascinating when you get denied entry into a vet trial group for not having perfected trial gear...when you need to run the content to get said gear...

Then watch the same trail run leaders cancel runs because not enough players signed up for the runs.

BagOfBadgers · May 28

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

I do find it fascinating when you get denied entry into a vet trial group for not having perfected trial gear...when you need to run the content to get said gear...

Then watch the same trail run leaders cancel runs because not enough players signed up for the runs.

Move on as it's their loss.

I'm not able to 2 bar these days and often that is a bar to PUG groups, always laugh when I see group listings saying no Oakensoul and asking for clears, but funnily enough I have many full sets of perfected + trial HMs clears (and before the scamps on here say I must have been carried, nope I'm able to deliver the goods & do the mecs)

I've said it before, the difference between Perfected/Normal is so small as that unless you are Tri'ing/Word Recording it makes no real difference.

Learn what works for you and improve, it's boring parsing, I know, but that's how you get muscle memory and understanding of your build.

PS I do 87K (Okaken ARC/Pet Sorc & the Sorc will go over the magical 100k in U50)on the trial dummy, so see about 70'ish K single target and none of it is Trials Gear, as they don't work for me. Find a guild that teaches and helps, not one that tells you what skills and gear to wear, unless you Tank or Heal, where there are sets that help the group.

PPS My improvements didn't happen overnight, it took a while but the effort is worth it.

So bash out some normal trials, get the Sticker Book full and have fun.

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 28

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Trial gear is useful for trials. So, just run trials?

nah plenty of trial gear is good for PvP, a community that has a lot of players that dont PVE as much as trial players.

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 28

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Plenty of trial sets are very strong in PvP

Frayton · May 28

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

You answered your own question. Completionists want to complete things.

tomofhyrule · May 29

Frayton wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

You answered your own question. Completionists want to complete things.

“Completionists want to complete things”… except for completing the actual content.

I can’t help but notice there’s a rash of forum complaints of the form “I want to get the [rewards] from doing [content] but I can’t do [content] because [self-imposed restriction].”

ESO is a gigantic game, with a ridiculous number of things to do. Not everything needs to be for everyone, but there should be some things exclusive to each playstyle. And if you want those things, the goal is that you broaden your horizons and try new things.

Sure, it would be great if we could get the veterancy rewards next patch by taking screenshots, but that’s dumb. I want a reward, so I’m gonna suck it up and do PvP to get the shield bash style I need. I’m sure the PvPers will be happy that I’m coming in, and then I’m getting more experience in something I don’t normally like to play. And when I get tired of it… I’ll do something else for a bit. I have six months, so I don’t need to grind it immediately

Soarora · May 29

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

I do find it fascinating when you get denied entry into a vet trial group for not having perfected trial gear...when you need to run the content to get said gear...

Then watch the same trail run leaders cancel runs because not enough players signed up for the runs.

The endgame opinion as I understand it is that the difference between perfected and non perfected is so small, it’s fine to use non perfected. It’s true, do you really need 1k extra whatever on your backbar (or in general, but especially true for backbar sets like whorl and sax)? The crit chance is nice, but not the end of the world. Just upgrade it when you can. I didn’t even have perfected sax ice staff until like… last week. I’ve just been rolling non perfected for years.

Frayton · May 29

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Frayton wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

You answered your own question. Completionists want to complete things.

“Completionists want to complete things”… except for completing the actual content.

I can’t help but notice there’s a rash of forum complaints of the form “I want to get the [rewards] from doing [content] but I can’t do [content] because [self-imposed restriction].”

ESO is a gigantic game, with a ridiculous number of things to do. Not everything needs to be for everyone, but there should be some things exclusive to each playstyle. And if you want those things, the goal is that you broaden your horizons and try new things.

Sure, it would be great if we could get the veterancy rewards next patch by taking screenshots, but that’s dumb. I want a reward, so I’m gonna suck it up and do PvP to get the shield bash style I need. I’m sure the PvPers will be happy that I’m coming in, and then I’m getting more experience in something I don’t normally like to play. And when I get tired of it… I’ll do something else for a bit. I have six months, so I don’t need to grind it immediately

I was speaking about the stickerbook, not the content. Anyone who wants to complete their stickerbook has options other than completing the content from which the stickerbook is filled out. This has been the case for years and is not new.

Anything I say is confined to the topic at hand or the post I'm replying to because I don't follow the forums religiously, but the replies from those that seemingly do make a lot more sense now.

frogthroat · May 29

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Ok, but... to what end? I mean, sure, completionists want a full sticker book. But if you are not doing trials, you are probably not doing veteran/veteranHM DLC dungeons either. So what use would trial gear have for you?

Plenty of trial sets are very strong in PvP

Well, yeah, for PVP that might be true. I just made a brawler build with Null Arca, so yeah, that checks out. But a PVE player who doesn't do trials or DLC HM dungeons, you don't need trial gear. Nice to have, but actual need... nah.

katanagirl1 · May 29

I don’t hear PvP players complaining about having to do PvE to get gear. I think they just go run some trials to get it. You can run them on normal to get gear drops so it’s not a big deal. You can pretty much run any gear for a normal trial too, doesn’t need to be meta.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 29

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

It would be cool if trial gear was bind on equip. This would make trial players rich and give them more of a reason to farm the trials.

If they want to gate keep it, they could make it so you have to fill the sticker book first before its BoE.

This would also let players that dont like trials to get the gear and play how they want. They dont have to engage in content they dont like.

Honestly i'd be ok if it worked this way for dungeons too.

Used to be like that in 2014, and was removed after ZOS changed the way content will be released, Chapters/DLCs/Crown Store instead of mandatory sub to gain access to those areas.

ZOS is a business not a charity, the end of the day.

Right now there are crafted gear sets that are getting anyone 90% there and the last 10% (assuming having the skill etc) coming from vet DLC trial sets, is negligible and won't make an average player better.
Let alone a lot of those sets require mechanics to trigger than most of the community has no idea how actually works in reality outside some video.

Please remember. This is a game, and not a competitive number chasing grind.

SwordOfSagas · May 29

But wouldn't that mean less people will be doing trials if they can just buy the gear from a trader? I pvp more than pve these days so I'd be happy to just buy the gear and not do the trial.

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 31

SwordOfSagas wrote: »

But wouldn't that mean less people will be doing trials if they can just buy the gear from a trader? I pvp more than pve these days so I'd be happy to just buy the gear and not do the trial.

But where do they buy it from? People doing trials.

I feel like it would be a system that feeds itself. and rewards the trial players and lets people that dont like trials to continue playing the content they do like. There would be a huge market.

There are people running cyrodiil all the time since the game started, and there are still PvP sets that sell for hundreds of thousands of gold on a consistent basis. I would assume this would be the same thing.

This would promote ESOs play how you like mentality, while also rewards trial players for their work.