There needs to be a PvP Dev Team

SundarahFr3akinrican · April 26

The same way there is now a QoL team (which has been crushing it), there needs to be a dedicated PvP team.

Right now it seems they are just grouped with "Combat" and that just isnt enough. Too many problems in PvP run rampant for far too long.

EDIT: There are obviously people working on it, but it seems like they are combat devs who are overextending themselves to also work on pvp.

I think there should be a single entity/team that's sole purpose is to gather community feedback, combined with in game data and then communicate and deliver results on a patch to patch basis to the pvp community.

Also, a focused team could potentially provide patch updates between major patch releases. Currently balance updates are on a 3 month basis. There needs to be balance updates inbetween those 3 months. We can't let balance issues or bugs run for 3-6 months or indefinitely.

Thumbless_Bot · April 26

I would settle for anyone with the authority to make decisions regarding pvp being an actual eso pvp sweat who isnt beholden to one class or play style.

xylena · April 26

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I would settle for anyone with the authority to make decisions regarding pvp being an actual eso pvp sweat

LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD

Thumbless_Bot · April 26

xylena wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I would settle for anyone with the authority to make decisions regarding pvp being an actual eso pvp sweat

LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD

Exactly. That's why I added the beholden part. It's a shame really.

xylena · April 26

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Exactly. That's why I added the beholden part. It's a shame really.

MB misread that. Their existing devs show a lot of promise, maybe we could convince them to come actually play PvP with us? A lot of the glaring issues should become apparent quickly.

MincMincMinc · April 27

xylena wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I would settle for anyone with the authority to make decisions regarding pvp being an actual eso pvp sweat

LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD

Just think at some point if merciless resolve keeps getting buffed it may start doing the dishes and brushing your teeth for you.

Oblivion_Protocol · April 27

xylena wrote: »

LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD

Pretty sure that same dev got slapped around by a Necromancer once a few years ago and said, “Never again.”

LadyGP · April 27

I do wish we had a Champion for the PvP community that "gets it" - and I mean that as respectful as possible.

There are a lot of little details and problems that you can't see by just looking at logs, graphs, reading things on the forums, etc.. alot of the problems with Cyrodiil you just have to experience first hand.. and the only way to do that is to log tens of hours week... run with groups... talk to guild leaders, etc etc.

Thumbless_Bot · April 27

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

LOL they did and that's why NB is always so busted (or useless) xD

Pretty sure that same dev got slapped around by a Necromancer once a few years ago and said, “Never again.”

Literally laughed out loud

duagloth · April 27

Just a dev team who understands the game and how things work would be nice.

Freez6661 · May 6

If it haven't happened yet so apparently it's never gonna happen, sad truth

Firstmep · May 6

Thing is, most of the high level feedback points in generally the same direction in terms of pvp, so the devs don't even need to be experts, just take in the feedback that was given.
Few examples:
-Werewolf should not benefit from class masteries, as it creates too many game breaking scenarios, and makes it impossible to balance ww properly.
-Certain class masteries being penalised in pvp for no real reason, like plar nb and necro while others go completely unfazed like conservation for sorc.
-Shattered path is absolutely overtuned in pvp even with half values.

CoolAsh · May 7

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

Freez6661 · May 7

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 7

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

I like to get high KDAs and also win the match. But yeah, if you are only doing objectives and not fighting, that isnt good imo. One of my biggest feedback points on 4v4v4 domination. It just turns into a rotating clock with no combat if players truely lock in and wants to win.

CoolAsh · May 8

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

so funny, why not meet me in bg, u ll see.
u should play cyro instand of bg. and what i say is all about bg. if u like killing is ok, u can stay in lower-tier. bg now is all about deathmatch, no matter what objective is, thats boring. bg in WOW, palyers fight for objective as well, the mechanism insure that not every match become deathmatch.

CoolAsh · May 8

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

I like to get high KDAs and also win the match. But yeah, if you are only doing objectives and not fighting, that isnt good imo. One of my biggest feedback points on 4v4v4 domination. It just turns into a rotating clock with no combat if players truely lock in and wants to win.

why ignore my word, i said "those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches", i never said "we dont need fight but ony objectives". look at my eyes, tell me, did i just say we dont need fight? i said we need not only fight.

CoolAsh · May 8

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

Arenas and Battlegrounds are not the same thing. Arenas allow you to focus purely on combat, while Battlegrounds should be centered around playing objectives. If you enjoy pure fighting that much, why not push ZOS to introduce a dedicated Arena mode?

Vaqual · May 8

We need 2 PvP lead Devs who absolutely hate each other, but both have a strong drive to succeed. Each should be responsible for 3-4 classes and only the changes that they actually agree on should go to PTS.

imPDA · May 9

Vaqual wrote: »

We need 2 PvP lead Devs who absolutely hate each other, but both have a strong drive to succeed. Each should be responsible for 3-4 classes and only the changes that they actually agree on should go to PTS.

Nah, we should have a parliament of devs, one party per class, so they could vote, veto, weave intrigues, and so on

Firstmep · May 9

CoolAsh wrote: »

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

so funny, why not meet me in bg, u ll see.
u should play cyro instand of bg. and what i say is all about bg. if u like killing is ok, u can stay in lower-tier. bg now is all about deathmatch, no matter what objective is, thats boring. bg in WOW, palyers fight for objective as well, the mechanism insure that not every match become deathmatch.

Wow has superior bg design since it pushes players to actually fight for objectives.
Sadly ESO bgs are not really designed that way, except old chaosball and the start of crazy king.

Haki_7 · May 9

@Firstmep wrote:

CoolAsh wrote: »

@Freez6661 wrote:

@CoolAsh wrote:

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

so funny, why not meet me in bg, u ll see.
u should play cyro instand of bg. and what i say is all about bg. if u like killing is ok, u can stay in lower-tier. bg now is all about deathmatch, no matter what objective is, thats boring. bg in WOW, palyers fight for objective as well, the mechanism insure that not every match become deathmatch.

Wow has superior bg design since it pushes players to actually fight for objectives.
Sadly ESO bgs are not really designed that way, except old chaosball and the start of crazy king.

I don't know if these suggestions are enough to fix the objective modes, but the ones for Chaosball, Domination and Crazy King are a good start: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8449121/#Comment_8449121

CoolAsh · May 9

Firstmep wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

Freez6661 wrote: »

CoolAsh wrote: »

First, setting aside the current bloated stats and formulaic builds, the biggest issue with Battlegrounds is that the objectives are too simple and lack depth. The feedback for playing the objectives is also minimal, which causes most players to focus solely on kill counts and turn every match into a pure deathmatch.
I believe that even players with strong PvP mechanics should still prioritize objectives, and the leaderboard system needs a complete overhaul. Players who only chase kills and ignore objectives should stay in lower-tier Battlegrounds, while those who actively play objectives and possess excellent PvP skills should advance to higher-tier matches, where they can earn higher ranks and better rewards.
The current Battlegrounds ranking system feels very underwhelming and doesn't align with the mindset of players who truly enjoy PvP. ZOS’s statement that “every player to have a chance to appear on the leaderboard” is unrealistic. At its core, PvP is about distinguishing the strong from the weak.
Solving issues like overpowered healers and one-shot/burst builds is actually quite simple: increase base health values while significantly reducing damage and healing output. This way, deaths won’t happen in an instant, and healers won’t be able to keep teams alive indefinitely through overhealing. Battlegrounds would then stop being a “fighting game” that only rewards raw reaction speed and instead emphasize strategy and skill.
Unfortunately, the current state of Battlegrounds is pretty terrible.
After discussing this with my friends, we feel that part of the problem might stem from ESO’s skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style. So I’ve been thinking — what if ZOS introduced an item/prop system that PvP players could use during combat? It might bring unexpected new life to PvP and create room for clever, fun, and creative plays.
I sincerely hope the developers actually play the game themselves, and that people who truly understand PvP are the ones designing the PvP content.

man we love fights that's the whole point of pvp, we having fun doing good fights against others
please try gta RP or something or PVE where you need to role play
you must be this guy who's afk capturing flags and doing dailies while others keep fighting against the whole battleground

skill design, which is gradually pushing the game toward a more action-oriented style

this is something else I swear xddd

so funny, why not meet me in bg, u ll see.
u should play cyro instand of bg. and what i say is all about bg. if u like killing is ok, u can stay in lower-tier. bg now is all about deathmatch, no matter what objective is, thats boring. bg in WOW, palyers fight for objective as well, the mechanism insure that not every match become deathmatch.

Wow has superior bg design since it pushes players to actually fight for objectives.
Sadly ESO bgs are not really designed that way, except old chaosball and the start of crazy king.

Yes, there's nothing wrong with drawing inspiration from WOW's strong points.
To be honest, Battlegrounds haven't seen any real innovation in a long time, have they? Most of the recent events and updates have focused heavily on PvE, while the PvP Revenge mode hasn't even officially launched yet. As for Battlegrounds, it feels like they're just putting the old modes on the table. Nothing new.
I started playing Battlegrounds last year, and I can honestly say it's the main reason I continue playing ESO. The current Battlegrounds are too terrible , so I came to the forum to speak up. I'm not here to complain — I just sincerely hope that PvP can improve and move in a better direction.
However, I've noticed that some of the points I'm making were already brought up in 2025, and even in 2024, yet the situation remains largely unchanged.

NeillMcAttack · May 9

There is obviously a PvP dev team. They are trying to make PvP "performant". They are the ones working on Vengeance campaign. It's a good area of focus for the game because, at least for me, Cyrodiil PvP is still an amazing, and unique experience just as it was on release, and the key to that is having as many people as possible in the same place, fighting together, for the same goal. That is rewarding game play, win OR lose.

But it has to actually work! When i press my buttons i need to have the instant feedback that my spells count. If they fail to fire or are delayed, and the real time battlefield has changed, I may as well not be there.

I personally think that a free version of just the vengeance campaign, and the original over-land faction campaigns between AD, EP, and DC, could attract a lot of gamers looking for something different.

They could even add Imperial City (the first extraction game that I played and loved) the way they originally intended. Where you open the gates by holding the outer keeps (and killing that massive dragon on the bridge?!). That original design did a lot of things, it reduced the numbers of the leading "Zergs", (which increased performance in Cyro) and created another campaign type in IC, that includes not just faction gain, but personal gain...hmmm

How could we make it so that there is incentive to go to IC in the vengeance campaign IC? Maybe make it so the faction that kills the bosses get buffs... If you make the PvE enemies very hard it would feel very rewarding again.

Anyway, I'll stop rambling, I guess its less a question of whether or not there are people working on PvP, but more a question of whether or not those making the decisions have a vision for the future of PvP?

SundarahFr3akinrican · May 21

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

There is obviously a PvP dev team. They are trying to make PvP "performant". They are the ones working on Vengeance campaign. It's a good area of focus for the game because, at least for me, Cyrodiil PvP is still an amazing, and unique experience just as it was on release, and the key to that is having as many people as possible in the same place, fighting together, for the same goal. That is rewarding game play, win OR lose.

But it has to actually work! When i press my buttons i need to have the instant feedback that my spells count. If they fail to fire or are delayed, and the real time battlefield has changed, I may as well not be there.

I personally think that a free version of just the vengeance campaign, and the original over-land faction campaigns between AD, EP, and DC, could attract a lot of gamers looking for something different.

They could even add Imperial City (the first extraction game that I played and loved) the way they originally intended. Where you open the gates by holding the outer keeps (and killing that massive dragon on the bridge?!). That original design did a lot of things, it reduced the numbers of the leading "Zergs", (which increased performance in Cyro) and created another campaign type in IC, that includes not just faction gain, but personal gain...hmmm

How could we make it so that there is incentive to go to IC in the vengeance campaign IC? Maybe make it so the faction that kills the bosses get buffs... If you make the PvE enemies very hard it would feel very rewarding again.

Anyway, I'll stop rambling, I guess its less a question of whether or not there are people working on PvP, but more a question of whether or not those making the decisions have a vision for the future of PvP?

There is obviously people working on it, but it seems like they are combat devs who are overextending themselves to also work on pvp.

I think there should be a single entity/team that's sole purpose is to gather community feedback, combined with game data and communicate and deliver results on a patch to patch basis to the pvp community.

Also, a focused team could potentially provide patch updates between major patch releases. Currently balance updates are on a 3 month basis. There needs to be balance updates inbetween those 3 months. We can't let balance issues or bugs run for 3-6 months or indefinitely.

Usureki · May 21

What a lovely feeling can be getting a comment on how the work you do 9-5 should exist.. x3

But hey, maybe there's a reason why people are assuming that there are no people working on this since hey, many of the decisions and directions ESO takes nowadays are so bad.

ToddIngram · May 22

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

There is obviously a PvP dev team. They are trying to make PvP "performant". They are the ones working on Vengeance campaign. It's a good area of focus for the game because, at least for me, Cyrodiil PvP is still an amazing, and unique experience just as it was on release, and the key to that is having as many people as possible in the same place, fighting together, for the same goal. That is rewarding game play, win OR lose.

But it has to actually work! When i press my buttons i need to have the instant feedback that my spells count. If they fail to fire or are delayed, and the real time battlefield has changed, I may as well not be there.

I personally think that a free version of just the vengeance campaign, and the original over-land faction campaigns between AD, EP, and DC, could attract a lot of gamers looking for something different.

They could even add Imperial City (the first extraction game that I played and loved) the way they originally intended. Where you open the gates by holding the outer keeps (and killing that massive dragon on the bridge?!). That original design did a lot of things, it reduced the numbers of the leading "Zergs", (which increased performance in Cyro) and created another campaign type in IC, that includes not just faction gain, but personal gain...hmmm

How could we make it so that there is incentive to go to IC in the vengeance campaign IC? Maybe make it so the faction that kills the bosses get buffs... If you make the PvE enemies very hard it would feel very rewarding again.

Anyway, I'll stop rambling, I guess its less a question of whether or not there are people working on PvP, but more a question of whether or not those making the decisions have a vision for the future of PvP?

No there isn't. The lead combat dev in the PvP live stream didn't even know what the set was that was pulling and stacking then bombing his own group was.

We've been begging for a PvP dev team since 2016 and before. ZOS effectively abandoned PvP close to a decade ago. (vengeance doesn't count. It's ZOS' attempt to create a system they never have to manage)

Lord_Hev · May 22

LadyGP wrote: »

I do wish we had a Champion for the PvP community that "gets it" - and I mean that as respectful as possible.

There are a lot of little details and problems that you can't see by just looking at logs, graphs, reading things on the forums, etc.. alot of the problems with Cyrodiil you just have to experience first hand.. and the only way to do that is to log tens of hours week... run with groups... talk to guild leaders, etc etc.

We did. We had several in fact. Even had a whole podcast with different perspectives from 1v1 sweating, 1vX, small group, and ball group. It was all ignored, the PvP kept getting worse and worse and to this day continues to become worse and worse.

Then there was the class representative system, another failure, the bulk of that was also aimed at PvP. Another rest in piece attempt to communicate with people who "got it" serving as the community's voice to the devs in terms of pain points and balance concerns.

Firstmep · May 23

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

There is obviously a PvP dev team. They are trying to make PvP "performant". They are the ones working on Vengeance campaign. It's a good area of focus for the game because, at least for me, Cyrodiil PvP is still an amazing, and unique experience just as it was on release, and the key to that is having as many people as possible in the same place, fighting together, for the same goal. That is rewarding game play, win OR lose.

But it has to actually work! When i press my buttons i need to have the instant feedback that my spells count. If they fail to fire or are delayed, and the real time battlefield has changed, I may as well not be there.

I personally think that a free version of just the vengeance campaign, and the original over-land faction campaigns between AD, EP, and DC, could attract a lot of gamers looking for something different.

They could even add Imperial City (the first extraction game that I played and loved) the way they originally intended. Where you open the gates by holding the outer keeps (and killing that massive dragon on the bridge?!). That original design did a lot of things, it reduced the numbers of the leading "Zergs", (which increased performance in Cyro) and created another campaign type in IC, that includes not just faction gain, but personal gain...hmmm

How could we make it so that there is incentive to go to IC in the vengeance campaign IC? Maybe make it so the faction that kills the bosses get buffs... If you make the PvE enemies very hard it would feel very rewarding again.

Anyway, I'll stop rambling, I guess its less a question of whether or not there are people working on PvP, but more a question of whether or not those making the decisions have a vision for the future of PvP?

Bgs and IC rarely ever lag, it's a Cyrodiil issue mainly.

Also they could've tinkered with bgs to make them more enjoyable but they barely done anything on that front.