spartaxoxo wrote: »

beer781993 wrote: »

If you don't want to join a guild or a dedicated group, then this is not the content for you. No need to destroy the fun of dedicated players.

I have cleared it with a PUG group without issue. So have many others. Some PUG groups won't succeed and others will. But it's still very much doable without a guild or dedicated group.

That's even better which means the trial is fine as it is

beer781993 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

beer781993 wrote: »

I don't get the drama. It's an endgame activity for experienced players. There is enough content for casuals.
Just do sth that suits you better but don't try talking ZoS into handing everything to you on a silver plate.

You don't need to be a hardcore player. The basics and mechanic knowledge make it already easy.

Games with 0 challenges are boring...

I really don't get this sort of dismissive put-down. Nothing in the OP's post suggested that they want anything handed to them on a silver plate. This same dismissive put-down gets trotted out time and again on these forums, and usually in situations such as this one where it doesn't even have any genuine relevance to what someone actually posted.

The only thing the Op is trying to achieve with this post is a nerf to an already not so hard trial. The difficulty is like a vet trial without hard mode. It's not necessary to take away any difficulty, it makes things boring.

With all respect, I don't see OP asking for any nerf.
OP struggles with NM content, marks a lot of hard moments on this path, and wants to be heard.
Also, if you can remember the posts, OP progressed through NM overland, then NM dungeons, and now the NM trial. It undoubtedly proves that OP is not a casual player, certainly as OP claimed.

It is not about nerfing, as I see it. It reveals the problematic places in content, that can help in creating future content.
While I argue with OP that wiping is exhausting but not a real problem, other problems are real. Yesterday, at Sunday primetime, I saw fewer groups in GF than I did a week ago. I didn't take it seriously before, but the problem is real.
I have no idea what ZOS can do with it, but they should know. It is good that OP writes about it.

beer781993 wrote: »

If [snip], then this is not the content for you.

Oh Lord, how I'm tired of hearing it from both sides.
This is how excluding players from content works. It is awful! Please just stop it.

The entire NM, including the sload+dragons achiev, can be completed while grouped via the GF tool with completely random people and without voicechat.

I haven't played trials in ages. The last time I went into a vet DLC dungeon (not my own choice; I prayed to RNG gods for a base game every time, but it was never granted) was while farming class scraps. I have no idea what trifectas are. I left all guilds two years ago, and I was there only for trading anyways. I don't have "elite" friends afaik (there are some names on my FL, but it is mostly people who invited me after running in my MYM PuGs, so I doubt any of them are the so-called "elite"). I don't have Discord anymore, and I haven't seriously parsed in ages either. My DK's damage is underwhelming taking into account what is possible nowadays, but it is good enough for what I usually do in my playtime. And I really don't like to read "The Website" unless I'm completely cornered; I don't understand why it should only be the online-guide-writing elites who have the right to trial and error, and the rest of us plebs are not allowed to learn things by ourselves. I like to figure out stuff by myself, or together with my group of randoms.

I cleared the OO trial four times (eradicator+affinity+essence), and it took many, many, many wipes. We can talk about extreme luck one time, but not four. Each time it was a different PuG and different players. At the slightest hint of toxicity I quit immediately, as I have better things to do than endure some immature mid-life crises.

Also, I tend to have a look at a listing before applying. What is the group composition? If someone is listing a 12-ppl group for a 4-ppl dungeon, I don't join as the risk is high that they totally don't know what they are doing. If the trial listing has 1 tank, no healer, and 9 dds, I don't join, as it seems they might not know what they are doing either. If a boss farming grp has no tank or healer, I quit, because it's just a waste of time.

OP, just because you play many hours every day, it doesn't mean you are casual or elite. Playtime means nothing. Someone else might be playing only one hour per day, but if they spend it exclusively parsing or running HM trials, then they are definitely less casual than a player who spends many hours overland. I don't mean to offend you; I don't know what your activities are. It is just my PoV that casual/elite depends on activity and not on playtime.

One thing I'm certain of is that the NM can be completed by a wide spectrum of players, including newbies and average asocial guildless introverts who don't push themselves too hard, and that being the sweatiest trifecta voicechat guild group is completely unnecessary to succeed there.