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Auction House
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Milktray✭✭✭No!Oh god not the AH thread again .. NO
Use one of the upto 5 Guilds you can be in or General Chat if they don't have what your looking for.
Another option is try the forums that have set up their own Trade forum. I'm nor really big on the forums for ESO but I bet if you look you'll find more than a few.ZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing0 -
Mishanya✭✭✭No!It was mentioned that guild stores will open for everyone in future. So I think its perfect combination for traders if we can use some guilds, where we are members, for selling and all rest guilds for buying.Wasting time is an important part of life0 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!Oh god not the AH thread again .. NO
Use one of the upto 5 Guilds you can be in or General Chat if they don't have what your looking for.
Another option is try the forums that have set up their own Trade forum. I'm nor really big on the forums for ESO but I bet if you look you'll find more than a few.
Of course! Of the let's say 250,000 people left playing hitting up 2,500 in the guilds, of which 500 are posting is so economical. Why didn't I think of that??
Personally, I love spending a few hours zone hopping to find that odd ball piece of whatever I need. It's so... retro.5 -
ArRashid✭✭✭✭Yes!A global auction house would certainly be a distaster, but what about being able to create some TRADE CONSORTIUM - a "guild for guilds" with connected stores?
I too have the problem that even though I'm in 4 guilds (3 of them marked as "trading" guilds, I have problems finding any stuff there. Partly because searching in store is EXTREMELY BAD, but mostly because there are simply too few people giving a damn about it.. they rather sell what they have via chat..2 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Oh god not the AH thread again .. NO
Use one of the upto 5 Guilds you can be in or General Chat if they don't have what your looking for.
Another option is try the forums that have set up their own Trade forum. I'm nor really big on the forums for ESO but I bet if you look you'll find more than a few.
Look at the votes in this poll...this issue isn't going away, because the facilities we currently have are horrid.
And I'm sorry, but anyone that actually thinks spamming zone chat is an acceptable option is clueless. Not only do I not want to waste my in game time spamming, I don't want to see zone chat full of the spam either. We don't even have a chat trade channel. This is like something from the 90's, except back then, without 15+ years of better examples to follow, the prevalent technology or the budget and size of an MMO like this game, it was more excusable. Now it is not. It is inexcusable and undefendable and any attempts to do so are sad and laughable.Edited by Dyvim on May 18, 2014 9:23PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1 -
Psychotius✭✭✭Yes!Though I like the Guild Store, it is just too cumbersome to use (even with add-on tools). I also hate to think of what I might be missing if I were in a different trade guild; as well as the fact that I've had two trade guild shrivel up and die, leaving me back in the search for another.
Therefore, I would like to see an Auction House.I'm not as am as you drunk I think.1 -
Lilth✭✭✭Yes!
I don't know what your guild situation looks like but people stopped logging on in mine and the guild stores are more worthless then they were before. I don't want to be forced to change guilds every other day until I find an active one. Not to mention the guild store interface is horrible. They could add a search feature at least?Oh god not the AH thread again .. NO
Use one of the upto 5 Guilds you can be in or General Chat if they don't have what your looking for.
Another option is try the forums that have set up their own Trade forum. I'm nor really big on the forums for ESO but I bet if you look you'll find more than a few.
I personally DO NOT want to zone hop and auction off items in zone chat.
The guild store idea looked good on paper and the way they presented it in the release notes however, it is not good live. I don't even use it anymore. If I am forced to check it for an item I dread it because I KNOW I am going to spend 30+ minutes searching through tons of crap before I find that one item I need (search bar?)
An AH isn't going to ruin the game.
@Dyvim ./Wave
Edited by Lilth on May 18, 2014 10:36PMThis is just a test........ if this was an actual sig, you would have been mildly amused..........0 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭No!Moonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
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Lilth✭✭✭Yes!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Edited by Lilth on May 18, 2014 10:32PMThis is just a test........ if this was an actual sig, you would have been mildly amused..........2 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭No!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Not really, To get mats a the person who is requesting must hunt or buy form a real person (interaction #1) then the person must have an item made (by the same or a different person) (Interaction 2)
Depends on the crafting and want the person want done, he or she must interact with more crafter to improve the item even more (Interaction 3)
Mean while, must get mats some how, may be interaction 4
With an AH, the interaction is cut way way down. Also, Less with interaction means less chance meeting new people and make new friends. Less friends means less reason to stay with ESO, Less means ESO might die. Therefore, AH is not good for good for games in the long run. Yes, games do stay around a long time with an AH, but games could be better if there were more players interacting with players instead some heartless UI window called an AH.
Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.Edited by k9mouse on May 18, 2014 11:04PM0 -
Lilth✭✭✭Yes!
I prefer options. People should have options. Not everyone is super social and need all that interaction to buy an item.Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
An AH isn't going to ruin open trade. Guild stores are going out of business and have missing features that makes using them painful.
An example of how open trade won't be hurt by an AH is look at all the other MMO's that have an AH. People will still need to ask in chat for certain items AND people will still sell items in chat. People that want the option to use the AH will have what they want.
It's a WIN WIN solution.
Edited by Lilth on May 19, 2014 7:59AMThis is just a test........ if this was an actual sig, you would have been mildly amused..........2 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Not really, To get mats a the person who is requesting must hunt or buy form a real person (interaction #1) then the person must have an item made (by the same or a different person) (Interaction 2)
Depends on the crafting and want the person want done, he or she must interact with more crafter to improve the item even more (Interaction 3)
Mean while, must get mats some how, may be interaction 4
With an AH, the interaction is cut way way down. Also, Less with interaction means less chance meeting new people and make new friends. Less friends means less reason to stay with ESO, Less means ESO might die. Therefore, AH is not good for good for games in the long run. Yes, games do stay around a long time with an AH, but games could be better if there were more players interacting with players instead some heartless UI window called an AH.
Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
You are completely wrong...an AH is a market that provides a great deal of information to its users, when done right. It provides pricing info, sales info, and can provide historic info. You can see how prices have moved, how many have sold, etc.
I would MUCH rather shop online, like at a newegg, or amazon, where I can read reviews and comparatively price items SO I KNOW IM NOT GETTING RIPPED OFF. I guarantee you go into car dealership or small computer store and you are more likely to get ripped off if you are not knowledgeable. Your desire for personal interaction is WHAT GUILDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR...not some half arsed markets. The very thing you want is being trivialized and destroyed in this game by them turning guilds into markets. Is that "guildie" really trying to help you, or are they just trying to make money off you???
Back to RL. I have no desire to pay a handy salesclerk's commission...that is a poor excuse for you NOT doing your homework and not knowing anything about what you are shopping for....and how many handy salesclerks are out there anyway that you can actually find when you want one and doesn't have a crap attitiude???
Your thinking is all wrong, when you put the goods in the context of digital items in an MMO.Edited by Dyvim on May 18, 2014 11:46PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.3 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Not really, To get mats a the person who is requesting must hunt or buy form a real person (interaction #1) then the person must have an item made (by the same or a different person) (Interaction 2)
Depends on the crafting and want the person want done, he or she must interact with more crafter to improve the item even more (Interaction 3)
Mean while, must get mats some how, may be interaction 4
With an AH, the interaction is cut way way down. Also, Less with interaction means less chance meeting new people and make new friends. Less friends means less reason to stay with ESO, Less means ESO might die. Therefore, AH is not good for good for games in the long run. Yes, games do stay around a long time with an AH, but games could be better if there were more players interacting with players instead some heartless UI window called an AH.
Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
You are completely wrong...an AH is a market that provides a great deal of information to its users, when done right. It provides pricing info, sales info, and can provide historic info. You can see how prices have moved, how many have sold, etc.
I would MUCH rather shop online, like at a newegg, or amazon, where I can read reviews and comparatively price items SO I KNOW IM NOT GETTING RIPPED OFF. I guarantee you go into car dealership or small computer store and you are more likely to get ripped off if you are not knowledgeable. Your desire for personal interaction is WHAT GUILDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR...not some half arsed markets. I have no desire to pay a handy salesclerk's commission...that is a poor excuse for you NOT doing your homework and not knowing anything about what you are shopping for....and how many handy salesclerks are out there anyway???
Your thinking is all wrong, when you put the goods in the context of digital items in an MMO.
Exactly and well said. Tools like an auction house actually empower the buyer to make informed decisions about what they want to buy and how much to spend. So it makes the economy more interactive. Not less.
Edited by Jeremy on May 18, 2014 11:50PM0 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Not really, To get mats a the person who is requesting must hunt or buy form a real person (interaction #1) then the person must have an item made (by the same or a different person) (Interaction 2)
Depends on the crafting and want the person want done, he or she must interact with more crafter to improve the item even more (Interaction 3)
Mean while, must get mats some how, may be interaction 4
With an AH, the interaction is cut way way down. Also, Less with interaction means less chance meeting new people and make new friends. Less friends means less reason to stay with ESO, Less means ESO might die. Therefore, AH is not good for good for games in the long run. Yes, games do stay around a long time with an AH, but games could be better if there were more players interacting with players instead some heartless UI window called an AH.
Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
If the vending machine made it cheaper and I don't have to talk to the guy for a few days it sounds like a great option. This sounds even better since I know what I want before I walk in the door.4 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!
I prefer options. People should have options. Not everyone is super social and need all that interaction to buy an item.Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
An AH isn't going to ruin open trade. Guild stores are going out of business and have missing features that makes using them painful.
An example of how open trade won't be hurt by and AH is look at all the other MMO's that have an AH. People will still need to ask in chat for certain items AND people will still sell items in chat. People that want the option to use the AH will have what they want.
It's a WIN WIN situation.
@Lilth /nod
I love it when people recognize win-wins and their value. So few people seem to truly understand how nice those are...lol.
This is exactly right, I prefer options AND information. The game ideally should provide the players with information on what is selling, at what price, and in what volume. In this fail of a mess we currently have, not only is zone chat spammed with wtb/wts but we also see constant price checks because people just have no idea what something is selling for or should sell for....AHs solve all these problems, quickly, efficiently, and conveniently.Edited by Dyvim on May 19, 2014 4:06AMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.2 -
Milktray✭✭✭No!All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.ZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing1
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Yes!LadyInTheWater wrote: »We HAVE an auction house.
Go to the bank, click on the banker, go to [Guild Store]. You have up to 5 different ones to choose from.
That is not an Auction House. That is a store. You cannot "bid" on stuff.0 -
Yes!All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
How will this be different than what we have now? Yes, bots may list in AH. They will be more easily discovered there.
I will still be able to sell there, so the bots won't be "filling" anything up.1 -
alphawolph✭✭✭Yes!
You can still talk to "real" people to trade AND have an AHMoonscythe wrote: »I hate the whole idea of an auction house.
I feel the same -- I do not want to talk some UI screen trade goods! I like the fact that we talk to "real" people to trade -- and some cases, we will make "friends" doing so!
Not really, To get mats a the person who is requesting must hunt or buy form a real person (interaction #1) then the person must have an item made (by the same or a different person) (Interaction 2)
Depends on the crafting and want the person want done, he or she must interact with more crafter to improve the item even more (Interaction 3)
Mean while, must get mats some how, may be interaction 4
With an AH, the interaction is cut way way down. Also, Less with interaction means less chance meeting new people and make new friends. Less friends means less reason to stay with ESO, Less means ESO might die. Therefore, AH is not good for good for games in the long run. Yes, games do stay around a long time with an AH, but games could be better if there were more players interacting with players instead some heartless UI window called an AH.
Would you rather go to a RL store (like a car dealership, computer tech store, house repairs handy man, etc) and order everything from a vendor machine or talk with a sales clerk about a product?
AH is just a vendor machine.
I have not been in a store in years. if i can't buy it on Amazon i don't buy it.
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methjester✭✭✭Yes!All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
OOOOO!! Scary bots!!!
Zenimax's failure to curb the bot problem is a joke. I've never seen a game where never ending streams of bots run around like in ESO.
Their complete and total failure to protect us from the bot army is a prime example of how much they are proving on a daily basis that they have zero ability to run and maintain an MMO.
ESO is an MMO, not a buggy moddable solo Elder scrolls game. Every day they are losing subs because of this. The sad thing is most classes and builds can be fixed with the right armor sets. You can't easily get them in the current economy. It's driving people away.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes!Psychotius wrote: »Though I like the Guild Store, it is just too cumbersome to use (even with add-on tools). I also hate to think of what I might be missing if I were in a different trade guild; as well as the fact that I've had two trade guild shrivel up and die, leaving me back in the search for another.
Therefore, I would like to see an Auction House.
Yeah I agree. I would be fine with Guild Stores as long as they were just there as an added perk for being in a guild.
But trying to base the entire player-driven economy off of them - that's where they go terribly wrong.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes!Abrakadeadguy wrote: »All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
How will this be different than what we have now? Yes, bots may list in AH. They will be more easily discovered there.
I will still be able to sell there, so the bots won't be "filling" anything up.
I've tried to make this very same point in many of my posts. Because adding an auction house make it easier to identify bots because their activities would be publicized on the market boards.Edited by Jeremy on May 19, 2014 7:51PM0 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Abrakadeadguy wrote: »All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
How will this be different than what we have now? Yes, bots may list in AH. They will be more easily discovered there.
I will still be able to sell there, so the bots won't be "filling" anything up.
I've tried to make this very same point in many of my posts. Because adding an auction house make it easier to identify bots because their activities would be publicized on the market boards.
Its not just that...once a bot is identified, they can run a script automatically cancelling any auctions from the bot and confiscating the goods. This would basically add another layer of bot destruction/disincentives in the game and work to shield players from them...centralizing the economic activity should make it easier to monitor and manage.Edited by Dyvim on May 19, 2014 8:39PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.2 -
methjester✭✭✭Yes!Abrakadeadguy wrote: »All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
How will this be different than what we have now? Yes, bots may list in AH. They will be more easily discovered there.
I will still be able to sell there, so the bots won't be "filling" anything up.
I've tried to make this very same point in many of my posts. Because adding an auction house make it easier to identify bots because their activities would be publicized on the market boards.
Its not just that...once a bot is identified, they can run a script automatically cancelling any auctions from the bot and confiscating the goods. This would basically add another layer of bot destruction/disincentives in the game and work to shield players from them...centralizing the economic activity should make it easier to monitor and manage.
Or they could fix the billing making it harder to use stolen credit cards. They could also make it much harder for bots to get out of the tutorial and skip to zones like coldharbour.
At that point you'd only have the dedicated bots and not the army. Personally I don't think they have the know how or they would have added an auction house in the first place.1 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!methjester wrote: »Abrakadeadguy wrote: »All those bots you see that start to run below the ground and then mine the ore etc .. THATS what will fill this AH you guys want.
How will this be different than what we have now? Yes, bots may list in AH. They will be more easily discovered there.
I will still be able to sell there, so the bots won't be "filling" anything up.
I've tried to make this very same point in many of my posts. Because adding an auction house make it easier to identify bots because their activities would be publicized on the market boards.
Its not just that...once a bot is identified, they can run a script automatically cancelling any auctions from the bot and confiscating the goods. This would basically add another layer of bot destruction/disincentives in the game and work to shield players from them...centralizing the economic activity should make it easier to monitor and manage.
Or they could fix the billing making it harder to use stolen credit cards. They could also make it much harder for bots to get out of the tutorial and skip to zones like coldharbour.
At that point you'd only have the dedicated bots and not the army. Personally I don't think they have the know how or they would have added an auction house in the first place.
Right, but personally, I don't feel it is a one dimension problem...you have to have layers of defense or multiple angles of attack...so yes, tighten up billing, but also crack down in game. Dry up their market, dry up their ability to operate. No one dimensional approach is going to get it done.Edited by Dyvim on May 19, 2014 10:25PMAngels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1 -
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Yes!Coming from a game like EVE it just seems so backwards not having some form of region based marketplace. The constant WTB/WTS in chat is annoying and clogs up any real chatting that is actually going on.
Personally, I would like to see something like what was quoted above, but in order to access it you have to spend skill points and each rank allows you to sell more items. Instead of just making it a way to make coin, actually make it into a profession - like smithing, etc. If you make it only available after level 10 or so, it could drastically reduce the chances of the 'bot army' listing anything.
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Yes!Having read a lot of posts in the various "AH threads" I still feel the game would benefit from an AH. If people prefer using a guild store they can do so. The rest of us who don't want to have to guild hop in order to find an item can use the AH.
Let the players choose - which is what Zenimax claimed we were all going to be able to do in this game - implement an AH and see which survives 6 months, the guild store or AH 0 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!Coming from a game like EVE it just seems so backwards not having some form of region based marketplace. The constant WTB/WTS in chat is annoying and clogs up any real chatting that is actually going on.
Personally, I would like to see something like what was quoted above, but in order to access it you have to spend skill points and each rank allows you to sell more items. Instead of just making it a way to make coin, actually make it into a profession - like smithing, etc. If you make it only available after level 10 or so, it could drastically reduce the chances of the 'bot army' listing anything.
You could have a "Merchant" skill line, but really, is that going to accomplish anything other than make a needless impediment that is easily worked around? I can level a toon and get some skill points and slap them in it in a trivial amount of time, then just mule items to sell to that alt. The game already forces you to have mule alts...and I snicker at that inelegant situation...why promote more of it?Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.0 -
Dyvim✭✭✭Yes!c1r3gamerb16_ESO wrote: »Having read a lot of posts in the various "AH threads" I still feel the game would benefit from an AH. If people prefer using a guild store they can do so. The rest of us who don't want to have to guild hop in order to find an item can use the AH.
Let the players choose - which is what Zenimax claimed we were all going to be able to do in this game - implement an AH and see which survives 6 months, the guild store or AH
lol, much like the results in this poll, it won't be even close...Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell... -S.1