Too many tomb points, now what? We need repeatable purchase options.

SaffronCitrusflower · May 13

This week I completed opening all the pages for the this seasons tomb challenge. (or whatever it's called) When the last page opened I began purchasing the items that most interested me. Turns out, if you have enough points to open all pages, then you have 4,000 points more than you can spend if you buy literally everything possible to buy. That's 2,000 more points than will carry over to the next season. I'm not even an ESO+ subscriber. I got all my points just doing the weekly's and seasonal tasks.

So here I am, 1/3rd of the way through the season, and nothing left to do. Any points I gain from here on out will be wasted. What's my incentive to play now? I'd like to say PvP is thriving, but it seems more like ZOS is trying to kill it with vengeance to me.

We need some repeatable purchase options. I think it should be crown crates, IA currency, and tri-stat potions. Maybe throw in some options for purchasing materials like Heijeko and other higher value crafting materials. There are already a lot of endeavor purchase options, so I didn't include that in the suggestion.

What do others think are good ideas for repeatable purchasing options?

@ZOS_Kevin

Onomos · May 13

I am in the same boat and also want some kind of boilerplate items to use up tome points. The problem I see is it will be typical items, like potions or poisons, which I could spend SOME points on, but not a lot. I'd prefer simple furnishings or something.

Otherwise, rather than waiting until the end of the season to see all of the excess points turn to gold, give us the option to do that along the way.

SkaiFaith · May 13

"Too many tome points" is not an issue; don't make it an issue.
No one wants to have "just the right amount" of tome points. The more the merrier.
They are not needed to engage with the game, they are a plus. Just keep playing. Or take a break (originally typed "leave" due to being in a hurry; editing now) if you feel like it.

I'm not dismissing your suggestion and I don't want to seem rude.
I also got every page unlocked and everything I wanted. We are on the same boat.
But I'd discourage saying things like "too many tome points"...

M_Volsung · May 13

IIRC, the next update will allow you to convert excess tome points into gold.

Blood_again · May 13

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.
This way you inevitably get at least 2010 tome points lost in the end of Season 0, if you use only free tomes.
It was clear on day 3 of the Season 0 release.

More than that, if you do all the weekly challenges, you obtain nearly 2000 points a week + over 4000 for the season challenges.
This way you open your bonus pages near week 8 of 14 without eso+, or week 6-7 with eso+ (+10%) and cherry-picking the challenges (2500 up to max 3000 points per week).

So, really, it is inevitable to have your free tomes maxed out near this week if you work on gaining the points thoroughly.

I agree, that having tome products repeatable would be great. I would buy some of them a few times eagerly.
At the same time, I doubt any free tome products will be repeatable. Because the main purpose of the tome system is to sell you the Premium tome.
The inevitable losing of the points with free tomes works on it. The feeling "again, I do not have things to do" after reaching 20000 points works on it. The idea that anyway you'll lose any points you obtain over the limit works on it.
I guess the system was carefully designed this way, so it won't allow you to spend your points fully without Premium.

Dalsinthus · May 13

SkaiFaith wrote: »

"Too many tome points" is not an issue; don't make it an issue.
No one wants to have "just the right amount" of tome points. The more the merrier.
They are not needed to engage with the game, they are a plus. Just keep playing. Or leave if you feel like it.

I'm not dismissing your suggestion and I don't want to seem rude.
I also got every page unlocked and everything I wanted. We are on the same boat.
But I'd discourage saying things like "too many tome points"...

I agree. It's nice that the system allows players to earn enough points to buy what they want without having to grind out every single point possible throughout the season. That's a nice quality of life feature for more casual play.

For the more dedicated, we get to carry over some points and a 10:1 gold:tome point conversion at the end of the season. I've also nearly maxed out on the things I can purchase (another week and I'll have everything), but still find accumulating more tome points to be a nice bonus for this reason.

It would be nice to have a few things that can be purchased on repeat, like tri pots or currencies. But the system is pretty solid as designed.

Hapexamendios · May 13

Same for me, but I'm not going to worry about it. Means I'm free to ignore them until next season.

Varana · May 13

You will essentially be buying gold with the excess points at the end. Tome points will be turned into gold.

The details may be tweaked a bit (although I suspect they'll either lower the rewards for challenges or rise the price of items), but you want there to be excess points. The pages at the end should be reachable for players who don't go all in slaughtering horkers in Wrothgar in the first three days but do only some of the challenges that they're interested in, or have time for.
You want there to be less FOMO because the time you have to reach the latter pages is so generous.

As for repeatable options: Not infinitely, please. There will be some market that you wreck with that.

SaffronCitrusflower · May 13

Varana wrote: »

You will essentially be buying gold with the excess points at the end. Tome points will be turned into gold.

The details may be tweaked a bit (although I suspect they'll either lower the rewards for challenges or rise the price of items), but you want there to be excess points. The pages at the end should be reachable for players who don't go all in slaughtering horkers in Wrothgar in the first three days but do only some of the challenges that they're interested in, or have time for.
You want there to be less FOMO because the time you have to reach the latter pages is so generous.

As for repeatable options: Not infinitely, please. There will be some market that you wreck with that.

So 10,000 extra tomb points will yield 100,000 gold. Meh. I guess at least it's not nothing.

I do want there to be excess points. Just not this many.

Taggund · May 13

I was hoping they would be repeatable, and I could avoid the ones I had no interest in. Instead, I ended up purchasing all and I am done with the tome and the challenges till next season. I doubt I will pay much attention to it then.

thedocbwarren · May 14

Was it confirmed it's 10:1 for gold?

Ardaghion · May 14

thedocbwarren wrote: »

Was it confirmed it's 10:1 for gold?

I don't think the devs have stated the amount, I've heard that the 10:1 is from the PTS.

Vonnegut2506 · May 14

I would like to see some of the consumables be able to be bought repeatedly. I wouldn't mind buying more transmute stones or companion experience on my EU side where I don't have them maxxed out.

Jacozilla · May 14

Not blaming anyone posting re: too many points. Very understandable, and I’m in same boat.

But that said, I have this sinking feeling that ZOS will come to the conclusion we’ve all seen happen many times.

Instead of taking the feedback as ‘we need more things to buy, or allow infinite repeat page at end for small consumables’ - and will apply the nerf hammer and make future seasons far more stretched out.

E.g. fewer points over longer period, to raise ‘engagement’ or whatever metric.

Next season, the posts will be we are getting far too few points, over way too much time.

wolfie1.0. · May 14

M_Volsung wrote: »

IIRC, the next update will allow you to convert excess tome points into gold.

At a rate of 10 gold per tome point... after zos clears out anything you failed to buy and if you get the 2k carry over... that isn't a whole lot.

I could get more ignoring the tomes after I got what I wanted in the timeframe.

Dalinar4 · May 14

This seems like it would be really simple to solve. Just add a repeatable option on the last page where you can buy 10,000 gold for 1000 tome points. You can dump any extra ones into that.

bofh666 · May 14

Blood_again wrote: »

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.

It is indeed a bit strange.
If you don't buy it, you can get everything that is available to you;
if you pay, you cannot have everything that is available to you.

Necrotech_Master · May 14

bofh666 wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.

It is indeed a bit strange.
If you don't buy it, you can get everything that is available to you;
if you pay, you cannot have everything that is available to you.

if you pay though, the tome is permanently available, and will be able to unlock stuff with future tome points

its still not 100% clear what happens to your tome pts though if you buy the tome, do those still reset since your tome is available forever?

personally i didnt buy this tome because i found the premium tome items to be severely lacking (like 75% junk, and the other 25% were cosmetic items i had no interest in)

Treeshka · May 14

I would love to have a repeatable purchases as well. Either Crown Tri-stat potions, or Alchemy bags.

Aydh · May 14

+1. some stuff needs to be repeatable. crafting mat caches, motifs, and crates all make sense.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · May 14

I think all of us learned a few things from the new tomes system, the devs included. I think its definitely a good system and I really do think they will make improvements to it over time. The timeline is based around casual players as it should be. Its my own fault for rushing it in the beginning but Ive become accustomed to the pace now.

Im in the boat where I reached the end very quickly. I have the premium and will still purchase it in the future. The rewards are very nice and there is something in there for everyone. New players, vet players, housing, pvp, ect. Could they expand on it? Sure. Could they expand on the tasks? Absolutely. Its a new system so I can really only see it getting better. I must add that I am not unhappy with it.

I do think at least the gold ratio should be improved some for the Tome conversion. It doesn't seem like very much gold to me. Or if they do get into where there is a repeatable page of some kind, I'd rather see things like alchemy ingredients, raw materials, alliance points, gold and tel var rather than PvP poisons and those types of things. Its really not meant to be farmed and I dont think it should be so rewarding people feel like they have to do that.

Blood_again · May 14

bofh666 wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.

It is indeed a bit strange.
If you don't buy it, you can get everything that is available to you;
if you pay, you cannot have everything that is available to you.

Sorry, no, it is not strange.
If you buy a Premium, then you have more options to buy, so you need more tome points to buy everything.
The opposite could happen if some (lots of) free tome options became free after you bought a Premium. But that would be a practice different from ZOS shop designs. I dunno if it would be compatible with some country laws the same as the current scheme.

Also, you can buy every product in both tomes.
It is possible to collect 31930 points for Season 0 without eso+ and tome caches.
We have 14 weeks. An average of 2000 weekly + over 4000 for season challenges will result in about 32000 points at the end of the season.
According to my numbers, the median amount of points for the weekly challenge is 400. This way one is able to obtain 2000 a week with a few rerolls even if RNG hates them.
The real situation with rerolling for max points and eso+ gave me an average of 2800 a week. So I had 20k on May 7. Pushing like that will give me over 43k points at the end of the season (dunno why, just for example). It is without a single tome cache touched.
So it is real to buy everything from the tome.

wolfie1.0. · May 14

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

bofh666 wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.

It is indeed a bit strange.
If you don't buy it, you can get everything that is available to you;
if you pay, you cannot have everything that is available to you.

if you pay though, the tome is permanently available, and will be able to unlock stuff with future tome points

its still not 100% clear what happens to your tome pts though if you buy the tome, do those still reset since your tome is available forever?

personally i didnt buy this tome because i found the premium tome items to be severely lacking (like 75% junk, and the other 25% were cosmetic items i had no interest in)

The auto loot feature will spend them to buy everything that isnt a consumable or material pack, then all but 2k tome points will be turned into gold.

tomofhyrule · May 14

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

its still not 100% clear what happens to your tome pts though if you buy the tome, do those still reset since your tome is available forever?

It is 100% clear since they’ve confirmed it in several places, it’s how most other Season Pass systems in other games work, and we saw it on PTS.

Tome Points are not locked to any specific Tome. They will reset every Season, allowing only a max of 2000 to carry over and converting excess to gold (after autobuying some unpurchased things).

Once the next season is active, players can either spend their points on the current Tome, or they can reopen old purchased Tomes and spend the currency there instead.

ToddIngram · May 14

Jacozilla wrote: »

Not blaming anyone posting re: too many points. Very understandable, and I’m in same boat.

But that said, I have this sinking feeling that ZOS will come to the conclusion we’ve all seen happen many times.

Instead of taking the feedback as ‘we need more things to buy, or allow infinite repeat page at end for small consumables’ - and will apply the nerf hammer and make future seasons far more stretched out.

E.g. fewer points over longer period, to raise ‘engagement’ or whatever metric.

Next season, the posts will be we are getting far too few points, over way too much time.

My fear is they just raise the prices on the same items already in the "store".

ToddIngram · May 14

My vote for the most wanted repeatable purchase would be IA currency/favor or whatever it's called. I despise IA for the reason it's not new content. It's just a forever grind for trash. I want the sets from there, but I sure don't want to spend any time there because I've been there enough to know it's just a time sink with no notable rewards. And it's all redundant content we've already run 100 times. IA is the worst "new" content ESO has ever put out. (I'm not even going to refer to ToT as content, sorry)

BetweenMidgets · May 14

This is a problem I'd rather have, than the reverse. I don't want to have to be limited on what I can get, what I can afford. If I'm playing enough to unlock the pages, I'd like to be able to buy whatever I would want from that system.

Number_51 · May 14

ToddIngram wrote: »

My vote for the most wanted repeatable purchase would be IA currency/favor or whatever it's called. I despise IA for the reason it's not new content. It's just a forever grind for trash. I want the sets from there, but I sure don't want to spend any time there because I've been there enough to know it's just a time sink with no notable rewards. And it's all redundant content we've already run 100 times. IA is the worst "new" content ESO has ever put out. (I'm not even going to refer to ToT as content, sorry)

I'd like to see a few currencies as well. For the most part just the ones already available on the bonus pages. IA Fortunes, Tel Var, Undaunted Keys, and Transmute Crystals could be given the ability to repeatedly purchase. I image AP would be a no go, and I'm not sure materials like alchemy mats is a good idea for the economy (though some of those currencies can be converted to alchemy mats easily enough).

Tyralbin · May 14

Blood_again wrote: »

Yes, you need 20000 to open the last pages.
You need only 15990 to buy every product in the free tomes.
You need over 31930 to buy every product in the premium+free tomes.
This way you inevitably get at least 2010 tome points lost in the end of Season 0, if you use only free tomes.
It was clear on day 3 of the Season 0 release.

More than that, if you do all the weekly challenges, you obtain nearly 2000 points a week + over 4000 for the season challenges.
This way you open your bonus pages near week 8 of 14 without eso+, or week 6-7 with eso+ (+10%) and cherry-picking the challenges (2500 up to max 3000 points per week).

So, really, it is inevitable to have your free tomes maxed out near this week if you work on gaining the points thoroughly.

I agree, that having tome products repeatable would be great. I would buy some of them a few times eagerly.
At the same time, I doubt any free tome products will be repeatable. Because the main purpose of the tome system is to sell you the Premium tome.
The inevitable losing of the points with free tomes works on it. The feeling "again, I do not have things to do" after reaching 20000 points works on it. The idea that anyway you'll lose any points you obtain over the limit works on it.
I guess the system was carefully designed this way, so it won't allow you to spend your points fully without Premium.

Agree with this statement completely.

Just wish they would add another way of paying for it.

Hoping they add it to the accounts page so you cn buy it like you would crowns.

Until they add another way of purchasing them I won't be buying them.

Necrotech_Master · May 15

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

its still not 100% clear what happens to your tome pts though if you buy the tome, do those still reset since your tome is available forever?

It is 100% clear since they’ve confirmed it in several places, it’s how most other Season Pass systems in other games work, and we saw it on PTS.

Tome Points are not locked to any specific Tome. They will reset every Season, allowing only a max of 2000 to carry over and converting excess to gold (after autobuying some unpurchased things).

Once the next season is active, players can either spend their points on the current Tome, or they can reopen old purchased Tomes and spend the currency there instead.

not everyone is on PTS lol

and thats even worse way to deal with it because then you will always always always be severely lacking tome points

im still not even happy that it forces autobuying stuff either, absolutely nothing should be auto bought period, if you didnt buy it you didnt want it

DenverRalphy · May 15

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

its still not 100% clear what happens to your tome pts though if you buy the tome, do those still reset since your tome is available forever?

It is 100% clear since they’ve confirmed it in several places, it’s how most other Season Pass systems in other games work, and we saw it on PTS.

Tome Points are not locked to any specific Tome. They will reset every Season, allowing only a max of 2000 to carry over and converting excess to gold (after autobuying some unpurchased things).

Once the next season is active, players can either spend their points on the current Tome, or they can reopen old purchased Tomes and spend the currency there instead.

and thats even worse way to deal with it because then you will always always always be severely lacking tome points

We're just shy of the halfway mark for the season, and already posts are cropping up discussing the desire/need for more items in which to spend tome points. This thread included. There will be plenty to spend.