Should IA drop gear that is not IA specific?

Lucasl402 · May 10

Speaking for myself, I'm very unhappy with Infinite Archive dropping random overland gear I already have. With so many IA gear sets, and every one of those sets coming in all 3 weights, why the heck is random overland gear diluting the IA gear drops?

Every time I get a drop in IA that is trash overland gear I lose a little bit more respect for ZOS and their marketing.

PeacefulAnarchy · May 10

Yes

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

Varana · May 10

Yes

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

Lucasl402 · May 10

No

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

Soarora · May 10

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

No, they’re right. It doesn’t dilute the drops because they’re not in the same loot table. Even if IA gear was added to the cycles, that doesn’t mean it has to be mutually exclusive with overland gear. Yes, it’s a lot of gear and we’re still missing one more for the last class line and role. Perhaps they can add more drop sources such as cycles 3+ dropping 2 items and/or the carptokelpt dropping an item. But that conversation WOULD be a different topic.

LunaFlora · May 10

Yes

i like getting Overland sets, even if i already have them. i can deconstruct them for materials.

i do want the infinite Archive to also drop item sets from Dungeon, Arena, and Trial as it has bosses from them.

spartaxoxo · May 10

Yes

They don't dilute the pool objectively because they drop from different sources. Even if they were to add them to additional sources, they can make them separate drops in the table and drop both.

Lucasl402 · May 10

No

Soarora wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

No, they’re right. It doesn’t dilute the drops because they’re not in the same loot table. Even if IA gear was added to the cycles, that doesn’t mean it has to be mutually exclusive with overland gear. Yes, it’s a lot of gear and we’re still missing one more for the last class line and role. Perhaps they can add more drop sources such as cycles 3+ dropping 2 items and/or the carptokelpt dropping an item. But that conversation WOULD be a different topic.

LunaFlora wrote: »

i like getting Overland sets, even if i already have them. i can deconstruct them for materials.

i do want the infinite Archive to also drop item sets from Dungeon, Arena, and Trial as it has bosses from them.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They don't dilute the pool objectively because they drop from different sources. Even if they were to add them to additional sources, they can make them separate drops in the table and drop both.

I'm sorry, but all these sources of drops are all in IA. So you all are trying to argue that the different chests and monster drops are "not in IA"?

I'm beginning to see the problem here. ¯\(°_o)/¯

LunaFlora · May 10

Yes

you only get Class sets from
- Tho'at
- Marauders
- the boxes Filer Brax sells in the index.

the Overland sets do not replace Class sets so what is the problem?

spartaxoxo · May 10

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

No, they’re right. It doesn’t dilute the drops because they’re not in the same loot table. Even if IA gear was added to the cycles, that doesn’t mean it has to be mutually exclusive with overland gear. Yes, it’s a lot of gear and we’re still missing one more for the last class line and role. Perhaps they can add more drop sources such as cycles 3+ dropping 2 items and/or the carptokelpt dropping an item. But that conversation WOULD be a different topic.

LunaFlora wrote: »

i like getting Overland sets, even if i already have them. i can deconstruct them for materials.

i do want the infinite Archive to also drop item sets from Dungeon, Arena, and Trial as it has bosses from them.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They don't dilute the pool objectively because they drop from different sources. Even if they were to add them to additional sources, they can make them separate drops in the table and drop both.

I'm sorry, but all these sources of drops are all in IA. So you all are trying to argue that the different chests and monster drops are "not in IA"?

I'm beginning to see the problem here. ¯\(°_o)/¯

They might be in IA but you're acting as though it's the same loot pool. Different loot pools have different rewards. Two completely different loot pools cannot dilute each other because you're not grabbing from the same bag.

Additionally, you're making it seem like there is a binary choice here. That they could make those chests drop overland gear or IA gear but not both sets at the exact same time. That is untrue.

If I have a chest that drops

Overland Gear
Themed Treasure
Small Chance for lead
Small Chance for furniture plan

and I deleted overland gear from that pool. The pool would become

Themed Treasure
Small Chance for lead
Small Chance for furniture lead.

It would not magically have IA gear. And if I were a dev and I wanted to add IA gear into those chests. I can easily make the loot pool into this instead. I don't have to pick.

Overland Gear
IA Gear
Themed Treasure
Small Chance for lead
Small chance for furniture plan

Overland gear is objectively not diluting the loot pool of IA gear. They don't share a loot pool currently. And they don't have to do so in the future.

DenverRalphy · May 10

Yes

Overland sets dropping in IA is a good thing. I like that the overland sets change weekly (one base game zone, and one DLC zone), so players can make progress toward filling out their overland stickerbooks as they grind for their class sets. And I am oh so so happy when the weekly DLC zone sets can be deconstructed for highly prized style mats.

AzuraFan · May 10

No

AFAIK, dungeons and trials don't work that way, so why should the IA?

thatnewcatsmell · May 10

Yes

The actual question is 'should IA drop three times as many class set items per Arc?' which obviously would be nice for those still collecting the sets, but the rotating overland sets add some variety to the overall rewards of IA. I feel like the non IA rewards (including the Filer Ool inventory) keep IA more evergreen, even after you've collected all the IA specific rewards. One of the best reward structures tied to an in-game activity in all of ESO IMO.

Lucasl402 · May 10

No

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

The actual question is 'should IA drop three times as many class set items per Arc?' which obviously would be nice for those still collecting the sets, but the rotating overland sets add some variety to the overall rewards of IA. I feel like the non IA rewards (including the Filer Ool inventory) keep IA more evergreen, even after you've collected all the IA specific rewards. One of the best reward structures tied to an in-game activity in all of ESO IMO.

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Lucasl402 · May 10

No

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Overland sets dropping in IA is a good thing. I like that the overland sets change weekly (one base game zone, and one DLC zone), so players can make progress toward filling out their overland stickerbooks as they grind for their class sets. And I am oh so so happy when the weekly DLC zone sets can be deconstructed for highly prized style mats.

No, it's not. Essentially everyone already has all the overland sets. And if we don't already have them, we can buy them for 2k or less gold in guild stores.

Predatory marketing works because people accept it...and unfortunately, even some outside the company even promote it for some reason. Reminds me of some weird version of Stockholm's syndrome.

Necrotech_Master · May 10

Yes

i dont mind overland sets being in there, as there are a few sources of overland gear which are still not curated (jewelry in murkmire and clockwork city come to mind as there is no incursions in those zones as an example)

i would actually like them to add in more gear to the archive, like the misc pvp gear so those actually have a curated source

it just sounds like you dont want to have to farm for the class gear

duagloth · May 11

With no save feature,it absolutely should only drop IA gear

Al_Ex_Andre · May 11

I only go in IA for the fortunes now, as I have everything else from IA (except every single weekly purple plans from OoL, or whatever his name, this is the reason I still go to IA).

I think that IA should drop IA gear only in theory, but I have everything from IA now, so I think IA should drop something instead, which could be non-IA gear, and I am talking about DLC dungeons or old raids sets - once you got everything from IA. (not the case right now, you only get overland sets, thank you, but I have them all)

Obviously if devs add new IA only sets, I am all for it, instead of getting non-IA gear.

Sarthendria · May 11

Yes

I meant to vote No! Whoops. Anyways what the others are saying is correct, its different loot tables, so the sets arnt diluting anything really. But at the same time, id rather they all dropped class sets, instead of only Thoat and Marauders. I find the grind for class sets (let alone class sets in the traits that I want) to be mind-numbingly boring. IA was fun the first few times, now its a slog I gotta do whenever I want to do some theory crafting for a fun off-meta setup or another when making themed builds.

thatnewcatsmell · May 11

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

Varana · May 11

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

The actual question is 'should IA drop three times as many class set items per Arc?' which obviously would be nice for those still collecting the sets, but the rotating overland sets add some variety to the overall rewards of IA. I feel like the non IA rewards (including the Filer Ool inventory) keep IA more evergreen, even after you've collected all the IA specific rewards. One of the best reward structures tied to an in-game activity in all of ESO IMO.

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

a) Materials.
b) Newer players.
c) When IA came out, I had played consistently for seven years. But I was still missing a few overland pieces because I played those zones before the set collection and curation were a thing, and didn't bother to farm them if I didn't want to use them anyway. I didn't go into IA to get these missing pieces but they were a nice bonus.

The alternative would be to simply not have these items in the chest. Because they will not add the class sets to the cycle chests, depriving players of most of the incentive to finish at least arc one (which is already trivially easy).

reazea · May 11

No

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

I'm with the OP. I'd rather not grind IA if 90+% of the gear that drops isn't IA specific.

reazea · May 11

No

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Speaking for myself, I'm very unhappy with Infinite Archive dropping random overland gear I already have. With so many IA gear sets, and every one of those sets coming in all 3 weights, why the heck is random overland gear diluting the IA gear drops?

Every time I get a drop in IA that is trash overland gear I lose a little bit more respect for ZOS and their marketing.

These are the design elements that led me to stop giving $ to ZOS after U35. Forced grinding for hundreds of hours is not my thing. Especially since, with exception of the puzzle rooms, nothing in IA is new content.

If ZOS can't respect my time investment, then they don't get my financial support.

thatnewcatsmell · May 11

Yes

reazea wrote: »

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

I'm with the OP. I'd rather not grind IA if 90+% of the gear that drops isn't IA specific.

I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion because I didn't mention anything about grinding overland sets in IA, but I do think it's a nice bonus on top of all other rewards for all the reasons mentioned in this thread.

Thinking that overland set drops somehow replace IA set drops is just plain wrong, the whole IA set acquisition is balanced around max two pieces per arc. The funny thing is I kinda agree with the OP, farming IA sets is a bit on the grindy side, but the overland set drops aren't part of the problem.

AlnilamE · May 11

I would love if it dropped random dungeon/trial gear, especially if it was curated.

Overland gear I can get more easily than running IA for it.

DenverRalphy · May 11

Yes

reazea wrote: »

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

Overland gear drops in IA are curated drops. I'd sooner just farm the last few pieces of an overland set in IA with a couple quick Arc 2 Cycle 4 Boss runs. Each run being 30ish minutes.

Lucasl402 · May 11

No

DenverRalphy wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

Overland gear drops in IA are curated drops. I'd sooner just farm the last few pieces of an overland set in IA with a couple quick Arc 2 Cycle 4 Boss runs. Each run being 30ish minutes.

You'd rather spend 30 minutes for a CHANCE to get a drop than spend 30 seconds and 1k gold to FOR SURE get what you're after? This is what you just said.

DenverRalphy · May 11

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

Overland gear drops in IA are curated drops. I'd sooner just farm the last few pieces of an overland set in IA with a couple quick Arc 2 Cycle 4 Boss runs. Each run being 30ish minutes.

You'd rather spend 30 minutes for a CHANCE to get a drop than spend 30 seconds and 1k gold to FOR SURE get what you're after? This is what you just said.

Overland sets from the cycle chests are curated. So the chances are pretty good. Besides which, I also get the style mats from the deconstruction of the DLC drops (huuuge bonus). I also get my archival fortunes. IA set pieces (before I completed all 14 sets). Style pages. Research folios and furnishing plans from urns. A bit-o-gold, The occasional rare mat from the crafting satchels. Etc..

I'm more than happy with the non-IA sets that drop.

Lucasl402 · May 11

No

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

thatnewcatsmell wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

How is getting a set drop we first got 8 years ago a "reward"?

Great question! You might think that everyone started playing this game 8 years ago and/or already collected everything, but that's simply not the case. You could obviously just farm the sets in the specific zones, but this is a nice alternative method.

So you prefer tens of hours of grinding for a gear piece to spending 1000 gold to buy what you need.

Overland gear drops in IA are curated drops. I'd sooner just farm the last few pieces of an overland set in IA with a couple quick Arc 2 Cycle 4 Boss runs. Each run being 30ish minutes.

You'd rather spend 30 minutes for a CHANCE to get a drop than spend 30 seconds and 1k gold to FOR SURE get what you're after? This is what you just said.

Overland sets from the cycle chests are curated. So the chances are pretty good. Besides which, I also get the style mats from the deconstruction of the DLC drops (huuuge bonus). I also get my archival fortunes. IA set pieces (before I completed all 14 sets). Style pages. Research folios and furnishing plans from urns. A bit-o-gold, The occasional rare mat from the crafting satchels. Etc..

I'm more than happy with the non-IA sets that drop.

I understand you're happy with the system. That isn't the same as the system not being unfair and punishing for the consumer.

The overland sets are the easiest sets to obtain in game. "Curation" in ESO has always been notoriously unreliable or totally faulty. And if we already have all the pieces, what good would curation be even if it worked properly?

Style mats from overland gear is worthless. Their value is so low we can't even sell them in guild stores.

Gabriel_H · May 11

Yes

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

Nah, they are just pointing out that if the removed the overland drops you'd still get the same number of IA drops, because it drops from Arc and Wandering bosses.

Lucasl402 · May 11

No

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

They are not "diluting" the IA gear drops. Those are completely unconnected pools.

Cycle chests drop overland gear. There is never any chance for an IA set in those chests.

Arc chests and Marauders drop IA sets. Guaranteed.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

It's not diluting the drops, they drop from different things.You get IA gear from Marauders and Thoat and overland gear from intermediate bosses.

Would I prefer if every chest gave IA gear instead? Sure, I also think fortune rewards should be double, but that's not the balancing of those things they wanted.

You both ignored the question and changed the subject.

Nah, they are just pointing out that if the removed the overland drops you'd still get the same number of IA drops, because it drops from Arc and Wandering bosses.

So the chests and bosses that drop overland gear in IA aren't in IA? You don't see the fault in your argument?

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