tomofhyrule wrote: »

Corollary: the "I'm only here because of The Elder Scrolls series and its stories!" will (eventually) get a game to release that will directly compete with ESO. Or are we seriously expecting all of those fans to look at TES6 and say "yeah, I'll stick with ESO."

Meme on it if you want, but that is the one playerbase that we can absolutely guarantee will drop ESO like a hot potato because of a specific new release.
The other playerbases - ESO can win back. If ESO gives PvPers a reason to play, they may look back at ESO. If ESO gives group players a reason to play, they may look back at ESO. But the people who want an in-depth solo Elder Scrolls experience with no other people around...? ESO can't deliver that to the extent that TES6 can.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

@twisttop138

Yep. Just had situation in one guild where they are trying to get a trial run for Sat afternoon, but because a lot of us have a run planned for Sat evening, we can’t join as we won’t get the requisite keys again in time.

So, make area for groups, then make it hard for groups to group to do group stuff?!! Ridiculous.

BretonMage wrote: »

LouisaB75 wrote: »

The quest markers though are truly awful. The flask one I wasted goodness knows how much time trying to find before eventually giving up on the area I was in and moving to another, finding it and only then realising that it was only in one of the places. The actually markers, once you are in the area are not visible until you are almost right on top of them, and since they are often near mobs, you can miss them entirely if you aren't close enough. This could do with some improvements so that you aren't wasting so much time on them.

100% agree that quest markers need a tonne of tweaking. Having to circle round and round an area - all the while being killed over and over - is just not fun. Even if I took the time to kill the mobs, they just respawn again while I'm still searching. Having difficult to find quest markers around a metric tonne of super mobs makes for an incredibly frustrating experience.

killians66 wrote: »

Feedback? Epic Fail....
I came over from World of Warcraft about a month ago to give this mmo a try. Was hoping to get more fun out of a game because WOW became boring. In short I'll be leaving ESO as soon as my sub is up.
The Night Market is an epic fail if it was supposed to be fun. Speaking as a new player, I don't get enjoyment out of getting 2 hit dead or having to sneak around the entire thing just fulfilling quests. The rewards don't look like they are worth the time or the headache. I thought I got here right when the newest thing came out and if this is the newest thing ESO has, then the dev's need to be replaced with players because there is a huge disconnect.
I think the lack of new good mmo's is the reason Wow, ESO and Final Fantasy continue to have players. It's like trying to pick the best of what sucks.
You can delete this if you want, don't really care. This is just a new players opinion. I won't be looking for responses anyway.

Syldras wrote: »

9th evening.

I really don't want to sound too negative, but after having posted here every day about my current progress and my impressions, I think it only fits it I write another post, even if it's less positive than the past few (and it might even be the last post on this thread, before I return to other topics on these forums).

I guess I've just reached the point where boredom has completely set in. It's just the same every day: kill this, collect that, with no meaning behind anything. No story that can keep me engaged, no progress of any kind in that world (beyond collecting fragments and points, so basically the clearly game-y/grindy aspects) - the Market could burn down tomorrow, why would my character bother? As a story-, lore- and roleplay-focused player, it's bland. Nice visuals, but that's it.

I'll still continue because I know my progress rates, so I know it will only take another few days until I have everything I want. So ditching it now would not made sense. But I've reached the point where I'm counting the days until I can ditch it. Also, I feel I've had enough grouping for the next 950 years.

I don't want anything changed about the Market, as obviously there are people who find it fun. But for me, the interest really dropped massively after a few days of exploration. The endless repetativeness does nothing but bore me out.

• Better traversal for the maps. This is one of the main things that makes the Night Market annoying for me. You group up with someone and try to get to where they're located on the map, but you have to wade through multiple trash packs that snare you and make it quite frankly miserable. This is completely terrible on a tank build because you slow to a crawl and you obviously can't damage them. Part of it is the trash pack density, but a lot of it is due to how the zone is designed. The Parch is filled with sand walls that makes it annoying to move around without the relic, and Sorrow's Friend doesn't have many locations you can use the relic, plus they're filled with enemies who also slow you down. Skittering Precinct has the best traversal once you get the relic. As soon as you walk in, you can run for a tower to the north and grapple up without aggroing any enemy. From there you have access to everywhere on the map. It makes going into this zone feel much better since you know you can move freely. I would suggest to add more grapples so you can move back and forth between buildings, and to include one at the entrance. To go with this, the other relics should work similarly. Allow for freedom of movement through each zone. Remove the enemies within these areas for The Parch and Sorrow's Friend, and add more to make map traversal feel much better.
• A better hub zone. The hub zone has crafting stations and a wayshrine, then merchants far from the center (please have some closer to center), and the entrance to the house and that's all. The hub should feel more like a market and hub zone. Perhaps the best thing you can do here is add guild traders to this zone, either permanently or only during the event. And to continue with that, the hub zone of the Night Market should remain as a permanent zone after the event ends. Other than that, you could add some mount trainers and maybe writ boards to the area only when the event is active.
• A low score bonus for the factions. Right now Thousand Eyes is 30 million points ahead of every other faction. The other factions only purpose is to sell their rare fragments which is no doubt making some people millions. But to better balance the scores if you want to keep them is to give bonuses to the factions that a far behind, such as bonus favor gained, more frequent recipe fragment and ingredient drops to promote more trading fragments between factions, longer power up timers, etc.
• Add a guild store option for the bank vault.
• More power ups that do real damage. There's only like 3 power ups that do any noticeable damage, and they all come from Skittering Precinct. The rest are pretty bad with them mostly being sustain or resource pool boosts. There's also only 2 defensive power ups when there should be more. You could balance them by making them not work within the trial. But the other zones should have more worthwhile damage power ups.
• Rotating item set drops. Get a list of item sets to drop and rotate through them each week. I've already maxed out every item set the Night Market gave in just 3 days and am only getting worthless duplicates for the rest of the event.
• Instance each zone instead of the entire Night Market. This would make soft grouping easier to do and should prevent less of a feeling of the place being empty. Fix the skirmishes at the same time like this so they are universal instead of instance dependent which often bugs out the timers.
• Let us keep our keys until the trial is complete. It would make it easier to do the dungeons to help other group members instead of having to grind the argent bosses again.
• A better way to group for dungeons and trial in the group finder. Let us add a key/relic requirement to the listing that will only show for the people who have said items. Too many times have I had group creation take too long because someone joins the group without the items which requires kicking and then relisting the group. Please add this.

BahometZ wrote: »

The issues with the Night Market are vast and deep.


The Player base doesn't know how to play the game effectively. They don't communicate, .

• It works for solo if you build for it. Questing is easier as solo, and feasible up to Brazen bosses.
• It works in small groups. Can kill even Argent bosses.
• It works in large group. It encourages more casual players to join and hopefully they start to join veteran activities afterwards, when they see it's not that scary.
• The hectic style of the NM, the groups are easy going. People join, people leave. No pressure. Which, again, lowers the threshold for more casual players to join.
• The one difficulty was a great choice that encourages this mixing of veteran and casual players. The old normal -> veteran -> veteran hard mode keeps these groups segregated but this event blurs the line. I hope to see all you more casual players in vet trials and dungeons soon!
• I have tried out more different builds for soloing in shorter time than ever before. And I enjoy soloing dungeons, so this significant.
• The bosses being familiar, but slightly different is a great choice to keep the pace. If you have played the dungeon/trial what this boss is based on, you mostly know the mechanics already so there is no need stop, reset and start learning mechanics when you would want to keep the hectic pace.
• To compensate the familiar bosses there are a lot of ads, which is great. More players makes it easy and it encourages mixing. As in, veteran and casual players are both needed.
• It's familiar, yet different and new. Somehow this feels more fresh than it has any reason to feel.
• Surprisingly, it's a great source of gold. At first I was thinking too much useless trash in my inventory but after a few days of selling the extra items I can see from their carried gold (I usually leave about 10k in my toons' pockets for repairs and such) that those toons I play with are rich.
• I don't remember seeing Group Finder this busy before.

• In large groups everything becomes trivial. Even skirmish with a roaming boss is not that bad if you have two tanks.
• While grinding the relics and the keys was pretty fun in the beginning, the Brazens -> Argents -> Gilded -> Trial loop becomes exhausting. And difficult if you want to do multiple Trial runs.
• Locking monster sets behind factions diminishes the interest to the lore of the factions since there is more important things to think about. I chose Thousand Eyes because of the monster set, not because I care about the faction.
• The sets that drop from the boxes are a bit of a disappointment, but I suppose it's great for newer players.
• For soloing maybe the only annoying thing is multiple stuns resulting in stun locks and so many enemies with negates. But there are still ways around it. So it's a very minor complaint.