We need a departure from 10 years of the same constant broken cycle of nerf this, change that, exploit this, ect. Or worse things coming out of there like the Subclassing disaster, broken metas and the ruination of PvP. Our characters erased to cater to cherry pickers. Our leaderboards hijacked by add ons. The state of the game at the mercy of PC for over 10 years. The developers need to regain control of the broken state of combat and start instituting rules and boundaries and start enforcing them. In game surveys and other things need to be implemented so the entire Eso population has a say, not just PC and not just the PTS.

The point is for the sweatiest of the sweats to spend dozens of hours testing and optimizing the Next Most Broken Thing so that they can run into Cyrodil at the earliest possible time and gank people before any1 else catches on

For years people have been complaining on PTS about the state of necromancers being close to unplayable and nothing changed.

Two years ago they introduced on PTS the grave lord sacrifice skill that replaced the stalking blastbone, 90% of the players were against the change, and nothing was changed. The skill went on live server, and over half of the Necro left the game. Lost many friends in cyro that day, and I was forced to change class.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/654213/necromancer-skill-stalking-blastbones-vs-grave-lords-sacrifice/p1

I wanted to leave the game, but my remaining friends and guild mates wanted me to stay to keep cyro active.

All of this happened because the devs did not listen! And last year the same issue happened with the corpse limitation system which destroyed the class. And now we are begging the devs to refresh the class this year instead of winter 2027 because of how destroyed we are, but once more we are not being listened to.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691015/please-move-up-necromancer-rework-to-2026#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691398/what-class-is-the-most-in-need-of-attention-bug-fixes-and-buffs-right-now/p1

Right now I do not play much anymore as a result, and I am about to stop eso+ as a result. All of this simply because we are not being listened to despite many threads asking for a Necro refresh this year.

MachineGod wrote: »

Goregram1 wrote: »

Night market buggy bosses don't die ability's don't work an new mythic broken as hell. Why have it seems like wasted recourses?

I don't know, Could it be feedback like this simply does not help at all? All vague points with no actual meaningful points for ZOS to consider. So if they come across this thread it's basically:

What bosses? (No information provided)
What abilites don't work? (No information provided)
What exactly do you mean by the new mythic is "broken as hell"? (Unclear, No information provided)

"Why wont they read my post?!?

...

you have the internet look it up. its all bosses an all ability's im not your teacher like do you even play the game? [snip]
[edited for flaming]

barney2525 wrote: »

sumbuddy needs a nap

Someone says truth you say they need a nap. any other insightful information you would like to add to the conversation or would you like to tell us your favorite flavor paint chips?

It feels like more people just use the test sever to find new broken things to abuse an there aren't many who use it to help the devs or the devs don't listen an this isn't a zos thing most games with test severs that's what people do in my experience just find new an broken ways to abuse updates an don't say anything. They should just go back to the way it use to be an hire game testers who's job it is to do things like this an try an break stuff an report it to the devs an not hide it an be like sub to my twitch an discord/youtube for all broken builds.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Goregram1 wrote: »

MachineGod wrote: »

Goregram1 wrote: »

Night market buggy bosses don't die ability's don't work an new mythic broken as hell. Why have it seems like wasted recourses?

I don't know, Could it be feedback like this simply does not help at all? All vague points with no actual meaningful points for ZOS to consider. So if they come across this thread it's basically:

What bosses? (No information provided)
What abilites don't work? (No information provided)
What exactly do you mean by the new mythic is "broken as hell"? (Unclear, No information provided)

"Why wont they read my post?!?

...

you have the internet look it up. its all bosses an all ability's im not your teacher like do you even play the game? [snip]

So... instead of making detailed arguments and exact grievances of what exactly you think is wrong with the PTS cycle you tell people to "look it up online".... meanwhile you complain that "your" opinion is not heard...then when others indicate that your post should provide some additional insights you accuse them of being malicious...

Exactly who is rage baiting here?

Keep in mind that opinions are a dime a dozen and most people think that theirs is the most important one in the universe and it will never actually quite be the same as yours. So please do us a favor....

If your gonna complain about how something is horribly awful, please do us the courtesy of explaining and expressing Exactly why it is so with enough information to be helpful. Otherwise dont be upset when you tell someone to "go look it up" and be further disappointed when they change something to "fix" it and they fix the only thing you actually liked into something you didn't.

im asking what's the point of the PTS read the title. if you want examples of what's wrong with nightmarket try another thread or reddit. take your ragebait elsewhere
[edited to remove quote]

To give you PTSD.

Theignson wrote: »

The point is for the sweatiest of the sweats to spend dozens of hours testing and optimizing the Next Most Broken Thing so that they can run into Cyrodil at the earliest possible time and gank people before any1 else catches on

This made me laugh pretty dang good; mostly because there's absolute truth in it.

This time last year I would have agreed. U49 and U50 though have seen ZOS making very positive balance changes in response to PTS feedback. Current PTS week 4 is much improved over week 1

Goregram1 wrote: »

It feels like more people just use the test sever to find new broken things to abuse an there aren't many who use it to help the devs or the devs don't listen an this isn't a zos thing most games with test severs that's what people do in my experience just find new an broken ways to abuse updates an don't say anything. They should just go back to the way it use to be an hire game testers who's job it is to do things like this an try an break stuff an report it to the devs an not hide it an be like sub to my twitch an discord/youtube for all broken builds.

This is not a conspiracy, but actual fact. The PTS is used by everyone I know to find the most powerful builds. Usually known in less than the first week and only needs minor tweaking. And yes, a lot is kept quiet and there is an ultra-super-secret Discord.

The funny part is that these guys, while simultaneously finding broken builds to keep quiet about all get together and ask for nerfs on other things so it can benefit their builds and offer them an even easier path with less resistance in PvP to show off how "skilled" they are.

Make no mistake, PvP in this game does not take skill and it's precisely because apparently player input does have an effect on overall balance changes -- but it's the wrong input.

Earlier on the forums, two guys literally tried to bait me by insulting me in the PTS section because I don't agree with their assessment of Serpent's Disdain and asked questions that they refuse to answer. They also refused to post any proof of their claims other than "I'm a pro, believe me bro."

Instead of responding to their bait, that ZOS hasn't moderated for some reason and I don't care to report, I simply laughed because I've seen them in PvP and I wasn't impressed. There was nothing "pro" about them besides their forum persona.

And I couldn't imagine being a pro at anything and needing the game changed to cater to me at the detriment of everyone else. But that's the type of player on the PTS right now and you can go and see for yourself.

It's not healthy for anyone to attach their existence and self-worth to a game to the degree that some of these people have, and I understand that mental health is a serious topic and an issue in ESO's community overall which is why I don't and won't engage them. And it's also why you should do the same and remember to be kind. [referring to your moderated comment]

Luneca wrote: »

Necro is in a state where even subclassing it's skill lines isn't useful. That to me, says the class should have been the first rework, not DK, but of course they had to appeal to all the Nord DKs in-game over the ever-shrinking population of necromancers.

It could be worse. You could be a Redguard necromancer. Props to anyone that's one of those. I only know 3 people.

Khajiit necro reporting in... It really says something when I'm a necromancer healer, but thanks to subclassing I don't actually HAVE any necromancer healing abilities equipped, not even the passive healer ghost most of the time, so one of my skill lines just kind of sits there hoping for the eventual rework gives us something good. Warden, Templar, even Nightblade thanks to Siphoning have something healers want, but Necro is just...empty, for the most part. You might run that single-target heal that boosts resists based on healing for hard-hitting bosses but that's basically it and even that doesn't come up often, while I'm always using the Warden cone-heal for the heal + recovery boosts and the budding circle with synergy, the nightblade siphoning stuff for ultimate + some of the heals and the resource recovery skill, the rest is mostly just energy orb, vigor, a scribed spell, and healing staff skills.

Can't say anything on arcanist's heal line, since I'm not sure how well it performs compared to the warden + siphon skill lines that are apparently meta?

Then on the DPS side typically run a low-intensity heavy attack + pet build due to disability, and it says something that the skeletal mage is basically just a bar-filler only because I can't swap it out for nightblade shadow for that pet plus a better skill line instead. Like yes the mage gives the crit buff, but if you get it from other sources it's pointless and I don't even notice its damage, especially not compared to scamp, bear, and twilight going at it.