ZOS, 4v4v4s may have their own issues, but they are much more consistently engaging.

Urzigurumash · May 2

xylena wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Teams winning that should never win by avoiding PvP

Problem is you're talking to the guys that want to avoid PvP, want to let their gear play the game for them, want to be the random 3rd party not the competitors, etc... leaving the game in disrepair for this long, you get this very tiny self selected population that for whatever reason likes the things that drove the missing thousands of players to quit.

So the devs are gonna have to make some hard decisions that upset this tiny self selected population, so the game can be alive and healthy, like condensing the Cyro queue. And definitely no more catering to the "I want my own personal PvP queue" attitude.

Well it turns out running around from empty flag to empty flag was a more competitive game than fighing eachother. Sure not if they fix the MMR, but they haven't

Urzigurumash · May 2

and it's still a theory fixing the MMR would fix 2 team. So far the scientific method suggests Empty Flag Running is the true hardcore Competitive Battlegrounds.

Saying you KNOW it would fix 2 team without any actual experimental proof is a bit dogmatic.

All that being said I still believe it would, we have a glimmer of the possibility when 4v4s work out. I used to think there was an MMR that "matured" over the week but I'm not sure it actually exists.

Anyhow BGs is Fake PVP, according to like a bunch of people. Real PVP is when you ride your horsey around looking for a ballgroup to watch.