CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event.
Again with this grouping thing. Again with disregarding other peoples' experiences because plenty of people have posted across multiple threads that even with larger groups, they all kept wiping. You're acting like your experiences are the only ones. If you can find capable groups, great! But a LOT of other can't despite trying to do the thing you keep acting like is the answer.CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »You're stating that its inaccessible for solo or casual players but it really isn't. I have done the entirety of my Night Market runs so far with a PUG group via the group finder. There were absolutely casuals and solo players in those groups. Thats a feature accessible to everyone. You don't have to interact with anyone. You may wipe a couple times, but you will get through it with a group from the group finder. No one will call you out for being low level or dying. I even had a cousin that hasn't played ESO since Summerset hop into a PUG with me and complete it; he had no idea what he was doing and was still able to complete it all with a PUG group.
Just because you need a group to complete it doesnt mean it's inaccessible for casual players. That's why the group finder exists. You can joijoinn one or list a group of your own with your own title.
ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event. It is balanced like a Normal Trial, which means it is balanced for anyone to be able to complete it with a 12 person group - and you can.
robertlabrie wrote: »Lots of discussion about the accessiblity of the Night Market zone and many responses like:
- Imagine ZOS added trials for the first time
- it's an MMO find a group
- maybe this update isn't for you
The thing is, Night Market is not a trial. It's a time limited event with unique items and is being aggressively pushed as the signature in-game activity. Trials, dungeons, arenas all have normal and veteran mode and for good reason. The night market content being inaccessible to casual or solo players is a misstep. ESO changed their tag line last year to "you belong here" but it seems at least in the case of Night Market, no, no I don't.
Y'all enjoy your activity though, hopefully there'll be something for me in Season 1.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event.
That's not correct. The statement was that it would be hard to solo, so one would probably prefer to follow some other players along. That's not the same as saying "group content". So people had different expectations, obviously.
There was also a statement that it was an attempt at a "soft grouping zone" - which is understood at just tagging along with others who randomly show up - basically like it had been with the Writhing Fortress last year, where you absolutely neither needed a pre-organized group nor use some grouping tool, you could just run with the masses. So also that led to different expectations.
@Arunei I've seen you posted the quote in some other thread (unfortunately, I can't find it right now). Maybe you could add it here.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event.
That's not correct. The statement was that it would be hard to solo, so one would probably prefer to follow some other players along. That's not the same as saying "group content". So people had different expectations, obviously.
If you have the skills to survive and work well with others, then you could see your work greatly rewarded.
To me, that doesn’t really sound like “yeah, this is something that’s not bad to do completely alone.”Staying close to other adventurers is prudent.
Again with this grouping thing. Again with disregarding other peoples' experiences because plenty of people have posted across multiple threads that even with larger groups, they all kept wiping. You're acting like your experiences are the only ones. If you can find capable groups, great! But a LOT of other can't despite trying to do the thing you keep acting like is the answer.CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »You're stating that its inaccessible for solo or casual players but it really isn't. I have done the entirety of my Night Market runs so far with a PUG group via the group finder. There were absolutely casuals and solo players in those groups. Thats a feature accessible to everyone. You don't have to interact with anyone. You may wipe a couple times, but you will get through it with a group from the group finder. No one will call you out for being low level or dying. I even had a cousin that hasn't played ESO since Summerset hop into a PUG with me and complete it; he had no idea what he was doing and was still able to complete it all with a PUG group.
Just because you need a group to complete it doesnt mean it's inaccessible for casual players. That's why the group finder exists. You can joijoinn one or list a group of your own with your own title.
ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event. It is balanced like a Normal Trial, which means it is balanced for anyone to be able to complete it with a 12 person group - and you can.
And again with the "ZOS said grouping would be needed" thing too, which is patently untrue. They NEVER said you would need to group, they said grouping would be encouraged but the marketing VERY clearly stated it was meant for groups AND experienced players. I really do wish people would stop being disingenuous about this fact in order to argue that the difficulty is "fine because it's meant for groups only" thing. As for a statement I don't recall posting one, but I can very easily grab a link to the reveal livestream for people to hear it themselves.
2026 Reveal Livestream
Here's the link to the livestream, the part about who the content is for is around 34 or 35 minutes in. They say it's specifically for experienced players AND groups, and that grouping would be encouraged by the difficulty, NOT that it would be needed. They even say it's meant to be accessible for everyone but judging by all the feedback it clearly isn't actually hitting that mark. Not when experienced players are having this hard a time and not when numerous groups are even struggling.
TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »The thing is, you can absolutely solo it, and you can “soft group” it. And as you said, they stated that doing so would be hard.
I’m not sure what your definition of “hard” is, but mine would be something like: content that requires actual effort, preparation, and understanding. That means you should not expect to solo it comfortably unless you are willing to put time into your build, learn the zone mechanics, and understand the game’s basic combat systems.
But you clearly seem to be approaching this from a very casual perspective, and if you are not willing to do any of that, then your alternative is simple: use the group finder tool and zerg the areas down with a large group.
That option exists, and it is very, very easy.
robertlabrie wrote: »ESO changed their tag line last year to "you belong here" but it seems at least in the case of Night Market, no, no I don't.
Y'all enjoy your activity though, hopefully there'll be something for me in Season 1.
tomofhyrule wrote: »You do not need to group. You can either zerg surf, or solo the trash if you are experienced enough.
Zero dungeons? We get three different ones. Why not combine them and release a proper new dungeon like ZoS always do?
We also have a new trial. Why not just release it for all players outside the [snip][snip] Market and treat it like every other trial? What’s the problem?
I don’t see anything fun in this system because it’s just:
farm bosses to get keys -> do dungeons to get more keys -> then go to the trial… That isn’t fun. Repeat! That isn’t normal. ESO has never been like this.
Questing is even worse. For the first time in ESO, I can’t properly quest alone. Why not? This is an Elder Scrolls game, why can’t I solo quest like always?
Yes, technically I can solo, but only if I skip everything, sneak through like a ghost, grab the quest, and leave. Where’s the fun in that? This isn’t ESO. It’s never been like this.
There’s absolutely nothing, truly nothing, that I enjoy about the [snip][snip] Market. And I’m not even talking about the difficulty itself, but the overall design and experience. There’s nothing fun here.
The only reason I’m playing it is to get my monster set shoulders so I never have to come back.
New trial? I’m not going back. I don’t want to redo this entire grind just to run one trial again.
I’m playing this [snip] Market, and I’m honestly hating the experience.
Is this really what ESO is going to become?
twisttop138 wrote: »As an aside, I would hope Zos would be more clear in the future. The tag line you might want to bring a group, that says to me they're saying it in a cheeky way. Just be super clear. You will need a good build and effort to solo this. It is very hard. We recommend grouping. But in an attempt to probably not rile feathers they didn't. They kind of tiptoed.
A house?! You get it as soon as you talk to the Curator…
A house?! You get it as soon as you talk to the Curator…
You have to play to unlock the wings.
If you want to buy some of the furnishings easily you need favor as well.
DenverRalphy wrote: »
A house?! You get it as soon as you talk to the Curator…
You have to play to unlock the wings.
If you want to buy some of the furnishings easily you need favor as well.
To be fair, they did play a bit fast and loose with the term "wing" to describe each one.
The generous number and quality of furnishings they come with is rather nice though.
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »ZOS was very upfront about needing to group up for this event.
That's not correct. The statement was that it would be hard to solo, so one would probably prefer to follow some other players along. That's not the same as saying "group content". So people had different expectations, obviously.
There was also a statement that it was an attempt at a "soft grouping zone" - which is understood at just tagging along with others who randomly show up - basically like it had been with the Writhing Fortress last year, where you absolutely neither needed a pre-organized group nor use some grouping tool, you could just run with the masses. So also that led to different expectations.
@Arunei I've seen you posted the quote in some other thread (unfortunately, I can't find it right now). Maybe you could add it here.
SirGabenOfSteamia wrote: »There is nothing else comparable in terms of difficulty to the night market except maybe actual vet trials.