ahem. It’s called a Trial.

Grega wrote: »

ahem. It’s called a Trial.

Then why did ESO call it an event zone

Why do trials have two modes, why do dungeons have two modes, why do IC and Cyrodiil have multiple modes, and why will OW have multiple difficulty levels when comes to the game? Because everyone likes something different. So why is Night Market only available in "hard mode"? Why can’t it have two difficulty levels, or at least make the large quest zone (districts) easier so players can at least do the quests solo, while keeping the dungeon and trial harder? I don’t understand why they couldn’t at least do this—since it’s a group activity, at least the part of the market where quests are done should, in my opinion, be accessible as a solo experience...

I must say that my first two excursions into the Night Market-- both solo-- were very disappointing.

But I went back a third time to have another go at the daily quest from my faction-- which I still don't understand, fwiw-- and got invited to group up with 2 or 3 other players. We rand around killing mobs and some of the easier bosses, and the group kept growing because the leader made a listing in the group finder. Eventually there were 12 of us, running around the three districts killing mobs and bosses-- several of which were quite challenging-- and the loot, achievements, and Golden Pursuits just started dropping like rain. It was a lot of fun.

Going in as part of a group is definitely the way to go, or go in solo and then start looking for other players to group up with. And the rewards seem to be pretty good, too, with things like crafting motifs, overland set gear, dungeon set gear, trial set gear, antiquity leads, and "treasures" that can add up to a nice sum of gold when you sell them to an NPC merchant.

But, yeah, your experience is likely to be very miserable if you're trying to run through it solo or with a small group of players who aren't powerful enough to tackle even the "trash" mobs, which are much more deadly than I was expecting.

Let's be fair. With the move to seasonal content, Zos needs to have an offering every season. They just have to. It's the way it works. But since we're so new to this, if we are in chapter mode, you would still be waiting for the content. It wouldn't launch until June. So ESO will very much be pumping out the content you're interested in. It'll be in season 1 in...wait for it...June. Just like a regular year, the questing and exploration will be in June, along with the new system and trial coming shortly after. Night Market is what takes the place of dungeons this year. Does it suck it cannot be easily solo'd? I'm sure it does. I feel for my wife, a casual quester who will absolutely not group. She cannot participate fully in the content unless I'm there putting a group together. But everyone attacking Zos cause the made challenging content that is not for everyone. It's only 1 piece of the content this year and while they tiptoed around the fact that you would really need a group a bit, they did mention it repeatedly that it would be a challenge solo.

twisttop138 wrote: »

Let's be fair. With the move to seasonal content, Zos needs to have an offering every season. They just have to. It's the way it works. But since we're so new to this, if we are in chapter mode, you would still be waiting for the content. It wouldn't launch until June. So ESO will very much be pumping out the content you're interested in. It'll be in season 1 in...wait for it...June. Just like a regular year, the questing and exploration will be in June, along with the new system and trial coming shortly after. Night Market is what takes the place of dungeons this year. Does it suck it cannot be easily solo'd? I'm sure it does. I feel for my wife, a casual quester who will absolutely not group. She cannot participate fully in the content unless I'm there putting a group together. But everyone attacking Zos cause the made challenging content that is not for everyone. It's only 1 piece of the content this year and while they tiptoed around the fact that you would really need a group a bit, they did mention it repeatedly that it would be a challenge solo.

Night market already has 2 dung and a trial in it, no need to make the OUT land part of it a trial as well

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Why do people always loose it when content comes out that doesnt appeal to them - this isnt your game, its all our game. Different players in such a large online game obviously enjoy different aspects and you can massively increase your own enjoyment by being open for new aspects and experiences.
Over the past 10 years i started to engage with every aspect of the game and am much happier for it.
Besides, the next 2 seasons will bring the story content you are looking for...

In my case it's because most of the content they have been producing doesnt appeal to me and the EW! factor of this night market is off the charts. I'd make a list of all the stuff they have produced that is not appealing or flat our repugnant but it's just tedious and boring at this point.

Tomes i def will use and am using. on page 10 on both servers with 2 months to go. I def like tomes. I like subclassing. i like crafting and 4 man daily dungeons. Done the main story line bunches of times to the point that i could quote charcter lines. ive done a few trials and a bit of pvp, which i thought i would never do. The rest can go blow, including night market. EW! Pledging to a faction EW! The faction leaders EW! EW! EW! The house EW!

Thoriorz wrote: »

Why do trials have two modes, why do dungeons have two modes, why do IC and Cyrodiil have multiple modes, and why will OW have multiple difficulty levels when comes to the game? Because everyone likes something different. So why is Night Market only available in "hard mode"? Why can’t it have two difficulty levels, or at least make the large quest zone (districts) easier so players can at least do the quests solo, while keeping the dungeon and trial harder? I don’t understand why they couldn’t at least do this—since it’s a group activity, at least the part of the market where quests are done should, in my opinion, be accessible as a solo experience...

Why does everything in the game have to have an easy mode? Can't there be difficult content made for players that want difficult content? Not everything needs to be accessible for solos. Join a group in the group finder; you don't even need to interact with anyone to do so.

Besides, the difficulty of night market is on level with NORMAL trials anyway. You wouldn't be able to PUG the night market if it wasn't, and that's all I've been doing.

Grega wrote: »

ahem. It’s called a Trial.

It's not called a trial at all.
There is a trial in it, but it's absolutely NOT a trial.

magnus01 wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Let's be fair. With the move to seasonal content, Zos needs to have an offering every season. They just have to. It's the way it works. But since we're so new to this, if we are in chapter mode, you would still be waiting for the content. It wouldn't launch until June. So ESO will very much be pumping out the content you're interested in. It'll be in season 1 in...wait for it...June. Just like a regular year, the questing and exploration will be in June, along with the new system and trial coming shortly after. Night Market is what takes the place of dungeons this year. Does it suck it cannot be easily solo'd? I'm sure it does. I feel for my wife, a casual quester who will absolutely not group. She cannot participate fully in the content unless I'm there putting a group together. But everyone attacking Zos cause the made challenging content that is not for everyone. It's only 1 piece of the content this year and while they tiptoed around the fact that you would really need a group a bit, they did mention it repeatedly that it would be a challenge solo.

Night market already has 2 dung and a trial in it, no need to make the OUT land part of it a trial as well

It doesn’t have full dungeons or a full trial. The dungeons are one boss room with one boss in it. The trial is one room with a mechanic encounter and then the boss fight. Mind you that endgame players are looking for challenger and trifecta achievements to acquire and the only part of a challenger available is no death for the trial.

sshogrin wrote: »

Grega wrote: »

ahem. It’s called a Trial.

It's not called a trial at all.
There is a trial in it, but it's absolutely NOT a trial.

I’m pretty sure they were commenting on OP calling the trial a trail.

This weird entitlement that solo players have shown in the last several months is getting old. Every piece of content in this massively multiplayer online game does not need to be calibrated for your liking. And it’s not even that hard to find a group. Some of you are acting like this is the death knell of ESO just because it’s not to your liking. You don’t like it? Don’t do it. This is a video game, not a job or your life’s calling. There’s 98% of a whole game you can still play.

Also remember: nobody paid for the Night Market. It’s free content. Totally.

People pay for ESO+, but that’s for increased storage and extra currency and previous DLCs. People pay for the premium Tome, but that’s for access to exclusive cosmetics. People pay for Crowns to buy goodies from the store.
The Night Market is not behind any sort of a paywall.

Q1 every year was group content in the form of Dungeons. Why now are so many people expecting that the loss of Dungeons meant that group players were getting nothing and solo players would get more? We still have solo content coming in June like always - it’s not a new zone, but it’s two entire questlines that are for soloists… and they even are taking the Trial out of the Q2 patch this time.

And if we think about the future… eventually we’ll get TES6. Are we expecting that all of the solo players who are here for the Elder Scrolls experience are still going to stick around after that? Or is it actually in ESO’s best interest to make sure that players have a reason to come back here that won’t be in that game, like group and PvP content?

All of this though makes me think that if ZOS wanted to make bank, they’d just need to make a “Private Server” option so people could play without other people (quelle horreur) around. They could charge $15/day for it and we see that people would pay that.

agelonestar wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

This weird entitlement that solo players have shown in the last several months is getting old. Every piece of content in this massively multiplayer online game does not need to be calibrated for your liking. And it’s not even that hard to find a group. Some of you are acting like this is the death knell of ESO just because it’s not to your liking. You don’t like it? Don’t do it. This is a video game, not a job or your life’s calling. There’s 98% of a whole game you can still play.

It's been shown multiple times over many years that more people play MMOs in majority solo-mode. That means there are almost certainly more "solo players" funding your gaming experience. Rather than this group being "entitled" as you put it, they simply want the values of the game they have been playing (and paying for) for years to be upheld - they don't want their play style to be excluded from new content and they have a right to express that.

I would also like to politely correct you: a massively multiplayer online game doesn't mean "big group game". It means a live game with many people playing at once. Your insinuation that MMO is equivalent to "group" is entirely wrong.

Have a good one.

One event that requires grouping doesn't mean that a solo-first experience isn't being upheld though. This is like the first update entirely geared towards group players since.... Craglorn?

The fact of the matter is that there is genuine good feedback being given (e.g. "I think the Night Market is too hard, I grouped up with a PUG and we had difficulty completing things"), but there is far more terrible feedback being given (e.g. "I'M UNINSTALLING BECAUSE I TRIED TO SOLO THIS GROUP CONTENT BUT I COULDN'T").

People are also buying into the echo chamber that this is somehow on par with veteran hardmode trials, when that's just blatantly false. Night Market is about on level with Normal Trials. It requires a group, but can be PUG'd relatively easily provided everyone is willing to pay attention to mechanics.

There's also so many people entirely unwilling to even try grouping up. I get it, if you play the game solo you may not want to interact with others. But guess what? Using the Group Finder doesn't even require you to interact with anyone. It's all automated. You click a button, get an invite, teleport to their instance, and then you can either turn off chat or even leave the group and zerg surf once you're in the group's instance.

I have event fatigue. All the work into these short lived events would be better served in expansions imo.

Agree 100% wth OP. I'm done.