Welcome to the Elder Lazer Beams Online

MissNoir · April 26

What has happened to this game? This game that I loved to play. The game that I loved because of its diversity. All of the different play styles, classes and builds. Wherever I go now, no matter if I go fight dragons or world bosses or go in a delve or if I do surveys, all I see are players shooting their lazer beams. It's so boring, it's so uninspiring and it's nothing unique about it.

Trying to get some kills in a public dungeon with a melee character is almost impossible now because when I'm in range the player with the lazer beam has already killed the mob from 100 miles away. It feels like I'm the only one not playing the beam way. I guess it's either adapt and follow the stream or find something better to do.

So many years I've loved this game, but now I can hardly motivate myself to log in anymore because I know that as soon as I'm gonna leave my house the unified beamers will kill all my motivation to play. It's gone so far I don't even want to play with my only Arcanist character anymore even though it's not using the beam.

I really hope this beam meta will end and that some more diversity in builds and skill will come back to the game, because I can't take it anymore.

Orbital78 · April 26

I wouldn't be too worried about it, DK is already better ST and somewhat AOE. Each future update is rebalancing a class and skill line. Warden is probably going to be OP next.

Equip a gap closer and macabre vintage, it will explode tons of enemies in melee. I do think ZOS needs to make more competitive AOE farming locations. If you all go to Crimson Cove, that is the experience to expect.

robertlabrie · April 26

I main a lazy 1 bar HA lightning sorc. It's like ghostbusters when we get together.

Thoriorz · April 27

Well, ever since I started playing ESO, I've been playing a 1-bar HA Sorcerer. Since subclassing was added, I've got a bit of a mix of sorc/warden/dk but I'm still a 1-bar HA. So definitely not everyone plays a beam.

Taarente · April 27

Unfortunately the beam meta is probably going to be replaced by the dragonknight miss whiplash meta. Everywhere you go it sounds like well something certain people pay money for. I get it though, there is something weird about a fight suddenly becoming like something out of star wars.

Ilumia · April 27

Yep, and I really want to add complaints about how awful the beam looks as well.
I really hope they build a setting to tone it way down!

Displaced_Salad · April 27

I'm not particularly fond of the visual component of the beam, and I understand the complaints, but some of us aren't chasing a meta. Some of us are trying a different class after letting it settle for a bit.

olda90 · April 27

The beam meta is only the tip of the iceberg. For those who truly loved ESO becouse of the gameplay and the progression mentality this game is no longer what is used to be and hardly it will get back at that level. The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

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it is a fact that you can't expose thoughts in the forum that are against ZOS buisness plans and that point out facts about a big majority of players in this game that are acting the part that ZOS wants, my comments will get edited all the time becouse you cant expose what is going on in this game and the infantilism of the majority.

twisttop138 · April 27

olda90 wrote: »

The beam meta is only the tip of the iceberg. For those who truly loved ESO becouse of the gameplay and the progression mentality this game is no longer what is used to be and hardly it will get back at that level. The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

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This is such a wild comment and an L take as my teenager would say. I just wanna single out 1 part though. Well maybe 2. Are you saying people with autism or neurodivergence have no place in this game? That it's somehow not for them? I also just have to lol at "this is why real gamers won't take the game seriously." Who are these real gamers? Are they in the room with you right now?
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FurryCandyHearts · April 27

there is no virtue in playing video games or even in playing them well. There just isnt. it's just that people without a religion make a religion out of whatever they put their hands to do. ad infinitum.

vuwuv · April 27

olda90 wrote: »

The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

So in the end who should define to what portion of the population is endgame content accessible? Is it accessible to everyone right now?

Lixiviant · April 27

I have Laser beam char that I use in public dungeons because otherwise I can't get a hit in before a Vet player burns them to the ground in 3 seconds.

Orbital78 · April 27

olda90 wrote: »

The beam meta is only the tip of the iceberg. For those who truly loved ESO becouse of the gameplay and the progression mentality this game is no longer what is used to be and hardly it will get back at that level. The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

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Guy is acting like the game is not a mmo and some sort of job or professional e-sport. The majority of people still cannot clear the veteran and hardmode content you don't want gamers to enjoy. The playerbase hasn't much changed since 2016 that I have noticed. A few dropped off from the constant nerfs over the years, man is jaded and it is sad to see him lash out so.
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Divine1976 · April 27

olda90 wrote: »

The beam meta is only the tip of the iceberg. For those who truly loved ESO becouse of the gameplay and the progression mentality this game is no longer what is used to be and hardly it will get back at that level. The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

One bars builds help older gamers and people with limited mobility enjoy Vet level gameplay.

Should they not be able to?

barney2525 · April 27

I have actually noticed a very large decrease in the number of Arcanists at Dolmens. It seems to me that after the initial ' everybody wants to try the new toy out ' phase, they have come into a balanced number.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · April 27

Ive already had it with the beams. Its bad enough the

vuwuv wrote: »

olda90 wrote: »

The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

So in the end who should define to what portion of the population is endgame content accessible? Is it accessible to everyone right now?

ZOS has to create, set and enforce boundaries. Establish, set and enforce damage ceilings. I hope they establish a dps cap. That's fair. And it can only be fair if its established by them. Only the developers should decide this. People may not like it, but it must be done or anything close to balance and equality will never be known.

olsborg · April 27

I finally made an arcanist 3 days ago, having lots of fun on it. After playing only nightblade and sorceror for years got abit tedious, its a breath of fresh air. Embrace it.

Ulvich · April 27

I agree. Sometimes I feel like I am at a Pink Floyd concert.

Taarente · April 28

olda90 wrote: »

The beam meta is only the tip of the iceberg. For those who truly loved ESO becouse of the gameplay and the progression mentality this game is no longer what is used to be and hardly it will get back at that level. The devs wanted a game more acessible to everyone many years ago (about 5 years ago iirc) and literally destroyed progressively the APM ability required for achieve many endgame content introducing 1 bar builds with oakensoul, buffing HA builds, nerfing LA and mechanics, giving broken sets and finally introducing Arcanist since ppl whining for years becouse couldnt achieve content.

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[edited for flaming]

it is a fact that you can't expose thoughts in the forum that are against ZOS buisness plans and that point out facts about a big majority of players in this game that are acting the part that ZOS wants, my comments will get edited all the time becouse you cant expose what is going on in this game and the infantilism of the majority.

I’ll continue to play whichever way suits me and so will the rest of us.

twisttop138 · April 28

olsborg wrote: »

I finally made an arcanist 3 days ago, having lots of fun on it. After playing only nightblade and sorceror for years got abit tedious, its a breath of fresh air. Embrace it.

Hell yeah. You're having fun cause it's a fun class to play. Elder scrolls is a pretty weird universe, but we're taking issue with a beam of hermaous Mora's power? We're good with everything else though.

BXR_Lonestar · April 28

Thank subclassing for this. They didn't want to nerf the arcanist and so they gave beams to everyone instead.

Sure, there are more variety of builds you CAN make, but nobody is seriously making/using 90% of the skill/ability combos that are out there, and there is even less build variety than before.

Thumbless_Bot · April 28

robertlabrie wrote: »

I main a lazy 1 bar HA lightning sorc. It's like ghostbusters when we get together.

Dont cross the streams

Vulkunne · April 29

It really depends. Before Mythics and before Arcanist class, DPS was something of a luxury and less something you could get on demand. People had to know specific rotations, know about Crit%/Dmg, etc, group tactics, and to some extent this is still true. But most DPS were running Dual Wield.

Then mythics came out, gave us more options, then Arcanist was released and finally subclassing. So DPS wise, the beam is a very good thing and puts DPS on demand and more easily accessible to the masses. It makes Trials and certain types of achievement like Trifectas, stuff like that possible for those who don't want to solve a Rubik's Cube of rotations and specific sets to get decent DPS. Just like Jabs was nerfed, animation is busted, flurry is same way, other options are gone.

In short, I think not having the beam would worse by far. Would you rather have that or get stuck with that ugly, broken animation for Jabs and Flurry and then still having to wait for another quality DPS to come online. Its not as easy as it seems.

amiiegee · April 29

I hate beams