Gambling boxes and why I don't buy them anymore.

grumlins · April 21

You have a mount in the store right now that I'd love to purchase with crowns but I can't it only takes crown gems.
In all of the years since you've put these boxes and crown gems in the store I've never once had ANY mount much less the mounts that are supposed to drop from the boxes during their release, not once EVER. I've also NEVER received enough currency from the items I did receive from these boxes to even be able to buy a mount, not even the current once for 1,600 crown gems.

One is more likely to be struck by lightning, struck by a meteor or crash in a plane than receive a mount from these boxes even when I did buy them I have purchased 4 x 15 in the past to see if it was worth it. I long for the day when American courts eliminate box gambling systems like these from every game in existence in the US because it's not worth my time or money.

What's worse is there's not even any crown gems in the Tome of Tamriel system to even shore up the numbers to make it possible to buy them. You're missing out on purchases because these boxes are a disappointing waste of time turning people off from purchasing them. Going back to a system in which direct trade for real money would be preferable to anything these gambling boxes produce especially today when money is so tight.

LunaFlora · April 21

the free version of the current Tamriel Tome has 8000 Seals, enough for 1 Apex tier mount

grumlins · April 21

LunaFlora wrote: »

the free version of the current Tamriel Tome has 8000 Seals, enough for 1 Apex tier mount

They all say 16000 Seals I thought.

SkaiFaith · April 21

Mind you, I DON'T DISAGREE but consider this: if you do the math, a Radiant Apex that asks for 2.500 crown gems, if you aim to get it with gems returned from crates will likely end up costing you 1.000$ "if you are not lucky to have it as a drop before".

So, do you think they'd really sell/earn more if they plastered a "1.000$" tag to said mount in their store and sold it directly?

grumlins · April 21

grumlins wrote: »

You have a mount in the store right now that I'd love to purchase with crowns but I can't it only takes crown gems.
In all of the years since you've put these boxes and crown gems in the store I've never once had ANY mount much less the mounts that are supposed to drop from the boxes during their release, not once EVER. I've also NEVER received enough currency from the items I did receive from these boxes to even be able to buy a mount, not even the current once for 1,600 crown gems.

One is more likely to be struck by lightning, struck by a meteor or crash in a plane than receive a mount from these boxes even when I did buy them I have purchased 4 x 15 in the past to see if it was worth it. I long for the day when American courts eliminate box gambling systems like these from every game in existence in the US because it's not worth my time or money.

You're missing out on purchases because these boxes are a disappointing waste of time turning people off from purchasing them. Going back to a system in which direct trade for real money would be preferable to anything these gambling boxes produce especially today when money is so tight.

Edit: I realized my mistake concerning tamriel tier currencies but my point about the chances and the low low gem count per box still stands.

AScarlato · April 21

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Mind you, I DON'T DISAGREE but consider this: if you do the math, a Radiant Apex that asks for 2.500 crown gems, if you aim to get it with gems returned from crates will likely end up costing you 1.000$ "if you are not lucky to have it as a drop before".

So, do you think they'd really sell/earn more if they plastered a "1.000$" tag to said mount in their store and sold it directly?

I think the issue is, hiding items in crown creates is a questionable business decision to some people. It's why some countries have taken a stand against them.

If they put items directly in the crown store they would have to be set at a fair price, unless they really think anyone would drop $1000 for an ESO mount and deal with the bad press for that.

I begrudgingly have spent a lot on crates due to my love of RP and what can be found in them. But I don't like it one bit as I open my wallet over and over

LunaFlora · April 21

Radiant Apex mounts are 16000 Seals yes.
i made my comment because the post mentions Tomes not having Crown Gems so just wanted to clarify that we can earn Crate mounts via them.

future Tomes will probably have a similar amount of Seals too so you could get enough for a Radiant mount within 6 months, new Tome every 3 months.

FlameDark · April 21

If the drop rate for crown crates were not so incredibly low, I would probably buy MUCH more crates. So they would be getting a lot more money from me if there was a better chance of actually getting something worthwhile (and not the same superior pet 5 crates in a row)...

Rohamad_Ali · April 21

When ever you gamble you eventually lose my friend but the odds of losing in Tamriel are way higher then on Tatooine.

dcrush · April 22

I was reminded the other day why I stopped buying clown crates. Bought the 25 crate warrior wave bundle through a crown seller and got two (2) legendary rewards (including one xp scroll) and the rest was all blue and purple, with multiple doubles.

Mathius_Mordred · April 22

IIRC, the Radiant Apex Mount chance is 2% drop. People don't realise how low a 2% chance is. Another way of looking at it is you have a 98% chance of failing to win.

It's like if you have a standard deck of 52 cards, winning a 2% bet is roughly equivalent to drawing the Ace of Spades on your very first try.

In our guild, we run an Endeavour System, and there is a 1 in 3 chance you'll get a Golden Endeavour each time it's logged, which is once per day. So that's a 33% chance of getting the Gold Endeavour. It's now 5 days since I got the Golden, despite running it every day. So even something with much higher odds often happens quite rarely.

These gambling boxes are likely to be made illegal in most countries; many have already banned them. I never buy them. I have about 80 gems from Twitch drop crates. However, I have several Radiant Apex mounts from the Seals system. The Seals system rewards are terribly priced, except for the Radiant Apex mounts; these are the only things that make sense if you do the maths. It used to be that you could earn 16K seals every 6 months from the previous ESO Endeavour system. I'm not sure now how that will change.

Tra_Lalan · April 22

Forget buing radiant apexes with crown gems.

The best way to buy them is via seals (formerly known as seals of endavours). If you cannot afford it know, every crown crate type come backs eventually, so you can purchase it later.

Also have in mind that, the lower the reward tier, the price in seals is less viable.
(for example 16 crown gems item costs 1000 seals while 1600 crown gems item costs 16000 seals) so its best to use crown gems on lesser tier items (blue, purple, gold) and not waste seals on them.

twisttop138 · April 22

Never buy gamble boxes to get a specific thing. This is the mistake most make. They want that thing, that one thing. If you see a new box or an old box and some of the stuff appeals to you, get it. If you are looking for a radiant apex mount, probably refrain.

Nordstern · April 22

While i generally think lootboxes are a horrible thing and one should never buy these I also understand that a game like eso needs to be financed in some way to be kept alive.
There are a lot of other games where loot boxes are a real problem but I cant understand how you would complain about the way eso handles this right now. You can get the best mounts where you would have to spent 1000s of dollars for free pretty easily. Other games dont offer that. It was easy before and with Tomes its now even easier. One FREE Radiant Apex mount every half year, what do you want more? I think this is handled in a very good way compared to other games ive played.

twisttop138 · April 22

Nordstern wrote: »

While i generally think lootboxes are a horrible thing and one should never buy these I also understand that a game like eso needs to be financed in some way to be kept alive.
There are a lot of other games where loot boxes are a real problem but I cant understand how you would complain about the way eso handles this right now. You can get the best mounts where you would have to spent 1000s of dollars for free pretty easily. Other games dont offer that. It was easy before and with Tomes its now even easier. One FREE Radiant Apex mount every half year, what do you want more? I think this is handled in a very good way compared to other games ive played.

I would say, though I really don't mind the store, that I want one thing. It's been brought up in every game with gamble boxes. Idk if it would work out but we'll never find out. I want the stuff to just be in the store. To buy. Let the crates be there as a way to gamble and potentially get stuff cheaper. Then let me also be able to just purchase all the things with my crowns. Let Zos be a leader in customer friendly cash shop practices instead of fully bought into dark practices in gaming. Just because other games are worse, thats no reason to just accept it.

virtus753 · April 26

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

IIRC, the Radiant Apex Mount chance is 2% drop. People don't realise how low a 2% chance is. Another way of looking at it is you have a 98% chance of failing to win.

It's like if you have a standard deck of 52 cards, winning a 2% bet is roughly equivalent to drawing the Ace of Spades on your very first try.

In our guild, we run an Endeavour System, and there is a 1 in 3 chance you'll get a Golden Endeavour each time it's logged, which is once per day. So that's a 33% chance of getting the Gold Endeavour. It's now 5 days since I got the Golden, despite running it every day. So even something with much higher odds often happens quite rarely.

These gambling boxes are likely to be made illegal in most countries; many have already banned them. I never buy them. I have about 80 gems from Twitch drop crates. However, I have several Radiant Apex mounts from the Seals system. The Seals system rewards are terribly priced, except for the Radiant Apex mounts; these are the only things that make sense if you do the maths. It used to be that you could earn 16K seals every 6 months from the previous ESO Endeavour system. I'm not sure now how that will change.

The chance is 2% for an “apex reward.” No information is given about whether radiants are equally weighted within that category, but there are more non-radiant rewards in the apex category than radiants (8:3 for Warrior Wave?), so the chance may well be less than 1% even.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/49828

Zodiarkslayer · April 26

I think players are not thinking enough about the difference between what they want and what they need. And how much they are willing to give up to satisfy each.

SerafinaWaterstar · April 26

twisttop138 wrote: »

Nordstern wrote: »

While i generally think lootboxes are a horrible thing and one should never buy these I also understand that a game like eso needs to be financed in some way to be kept alive.
There are a lot of other games where loot boxes are a real problem but I cant understand how you would complain about the way eso handles this right now. You can get the best mounts where you would have to spent 1000s of dollars for free pretty easily. Other games dont offer that. It was easy before and with Tomes its now even easier. One FREE Radiant Apex mount every half year, what do you want more? I think this is handled in a very good way compared to other games ive played.

I would say, though I really don't mind the store, that I want one thing. It's been brought up in every game with gamble boxes. Idk if it would work out but we'll never find out. I want the stuff to just be in the store. To buy. Let the crates be there as a way to gamble and potentially get stuff cheaper. Then let me also be able to just purchase all the things with my crowns. Let Zos be a leader in customer friendly cash shop practices instead of fully bought into dark practices in gaming. Just because other games are worse, thats no reason to just accept it.

Agree. I just want to be able to buy things for crowns. I’d spend more if I could because then I could buy what I want rather than via gamble crates.

I find this kind of lootbox awful and look forward to the day when they are banned.

reazea · April 26

The RNG was horrible when the boxes first came out, and they cost a fraction of what they do now, and the RNG was exponentially better then too, and they weren't worth it back then either.

Frayton · April 26

virtus753 wrote: »

The chance is 2% for an “apex reward.” No information is given about whether radiants are equally weighted within that category, but there are more non-radiant rewards in the apex category than radiants (8:3 for Warrior Wave?), so the chance may well be less than 1% even.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/49828

This alone should be enough to stop anyone from gambling on crates for apex mounts. When you have a greater chance of your house catching fire than winning an apex mount from a crate, don't even bother.

SwordOfSagas · April 26

AScarlato wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Mind you, I DON'T DISAGREE but consider this: if you do the math, a Radiant Apex that asks for 2.500 crown gems, if you aim to get it with gems returned from crates will likely end up costing you 1.000$ "if you are not lucky to have it as a drop before".

So, do you think they'd really sell/earn more if they plastered a "1.000$" tag to said mount in their store and sold it directly?

I think the issue is, hiding items in crown creates is a questionable business decision to some people. It's why some countries have taken a stand against them.

If they put items directly in the crown store they would have to be set at a fair price, unless they really think anyone would drop $1000 for an ESO mount and deal with the bad press for that.

I begrudgingly have spent a lot on crates due to my love of RP and what can be found in them. But I don't like it one bit as I open my wallet over and over

We'll you'd be surprised what people will spend for in game stuff, I'm sure you've heard of Star Citizen with their 38k spaceships lol.

Diebesgut · April 26

... my Khajiit Family always warns: DON'T trust Pacrooti!

I'm buying new Crown Crates hoping Pacrooti will finally give me something good. He's always cheating, manipulating the cards, and making excuses.

I'm definitely not buying them a second time.

My Khajiit are right: You can't trust HIM!
(and they know very well what they are talking about....)
🥷

AScarlato · April 26

SwordOfSagas wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Mind you, I DON'T DISAGREE but consider this: if you do the math, a Radiant Apex that asks for 2.500 crown gems, if you aim to get it with gems returned from crates will likely end up costing you 1.000$ "if you are not lucky to have it as a drop before".

So, do you think they'd really sell/earn more if they plastered a "1.000$" tag to said mount in their store and sold it directly?

I think the issue is, hiding items in crown creates is a questionable business decision to some people. It's why some countries have taken a stand against them.

If they put items directly in the crown store they would have to be set at a fair price, unless they really think anyone would drop $1000 for an ESO mount and deal with the bad press for that.

I begrudgingly have spent a lot on crates due to my love of RP and what can be found in them. But I don't like it one bit as I open my wallet over and over

We'll you'd be surprised what people will spend for in game stuff, I'm sure you've heard of Star Citizen with their 38k spaceships lol.

I'm so lucky "Tamriel Citizen" is not a thing lol