Dogvahkiin wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Since subclassing and now dragonknight buff I think one bar HA builds need cleave from heavy attacks restored. Because one bars are becoming more and more useless while 2 bar getting stronger, the damage gap between the 2 is growing every update. At least give use the cleave back, the nerf is no longer needed.

That’s the point.
A two-bar setup makes the rotation more difficult and should therefore be much(!) stronger than a one-bar setup.
The same applies to heavy-attack rotations. High APM (weaving) is much more difficult than low APM (heavy attacks) and should therefore be significantly stronger.

It’s as simple as that.

Yeah sure but the damage difference is massive, and I know there will be people who are against oaken soul users for whatever reason they can conjure up, but that is why I'm asking for just the bare minimum by reverting the nerf to tri focus. And that will benefit non oaken soul users as well. By the way I play all kinds of setups, and you would have to be blind to think oaken soul doesn't need a buff in the current state of the game.

Renato90085 wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

1. Most players don’t understand that HA builds are only stronger than traditional 2bar weaving builds when the player isn’t good at weaving. That’s the key point. Instead of improving, many players complain loudly, and because they’re the majority voice, ZoS listens. As a result, HA gets nerfed or ignored.
2. At the same time, many 2bar players refuse to accept that HA can outperform them in certain situations. Instead of recognizing the skill gap or different playstyles, they dismiss HA entirely. And that creates this constant hostility.

I play all kinds of playstyles and hard disagree.

I have Oakensoul builds, HA Rakkhat builds, 2 bar builds (no beam), 2 bar builds (double beam)...

Current meta mythics are Velothi and Warmask. If you have a beam build with Velothi, the only thing you need light attacks for is ulti generation (which Heavy Attack builds get) and proccing enchants (which Heavy Attack builds get). You need like, one light attack every 15 seconds with a Velothi but beam builds outperform heavy attack builds any day. With Velothi and beam builds, perfect LA-weave is less necessary than ever before.

And I do play both HA builds and standard builds, but I have no idea in what content I would perform better with a HA build. Can you enlighten me? Maybe HA builds are just too complicated for me because I can never get my performance as high with a HA build.

when the group sup role suck,the HA will better than 2bar

Excluding beam builds, yeah, in this case you are right. But a standard beam build would have enough survivability with the stamina hentai and shield beam, even as a double beam if you use the healing morph execute. And would perform better. But yeah, I can see that in this specific situation HA might be useful. Another would be for a raid lead when you need to keep an eye on so many things a simpler rotation would help.

frogthroat wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

1. Most players don’t understand that HA builds are only stronger than traditional 2bar weaving builds when the player isn’t good at weaving. That’s the key point. Instead of improving, many players complain loudly, and because they’re the majority voice, ZoS listens. As a result, HA gets nerfed or ignored.
2. At the same time, many 2bar players refuse to accept that HA can outperform them in certain situations. Instead of recognizing the skill gap or different playstyles, they dismiss HA entirely. And that creates this constant hostility.

I play all kinds of playstyles and hard disagree.

I have Oakensoul builds, HA Rakkhat builds, 2 bar builds (no beam), 2 bar builds (double beam)...

Current meta mythics are Velothi and Warmask. If you have a beam build with Velothi, the only thing you need light attacks for is ulti generation (which Heavy Attack builds get) and proccing enchants (which Heavy Attack builds get). You need like, one light attack every 15 seconds with a Velothi but beam builds outperform heavy attack builds any day. With Velothi and beam builds, perfect LA-weave is less necessary than ever before.

And I do play both HA builds and standard builds, but I have no idea in what content I would perform better with a HA build. Can you enlighten me? Maybe HA builds are just too complicated for me because I can never get my performance as high with a HA build.

when the group sup role suck,the HA will better than 2bar

Excluding beam builds, yeah, in this case you are right. But a standard beam build would have enough survivability with the stamina hentai and shield beam, even as a double beam if you use the healing morph execute. And would perform better. But yeah, I can see that in this specific situation HA might be useful. Another would be for a raid lead when you need to keep an eye on so many things a simpler rotation would help.

dont forget reaving blows CP which also gives insane survivability to beam builds (7% healing from all direct dmg, which is all beams now)

Agreed. Always hated that change. Also made no sense to nerf it because of ease of use only to add Arcanist a few months later.

What I'd really like to see though is to make HA builds useful with every weapon, not just Lightning Staves. For that they either have to change how HA buff sets work, give all HAs unique effects, or both.

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Now they want to nerf Empower. Why? Havent they already learned their lesson about this over U35? Absolutely unfair, HA builds were already behind everything else.

If it were over performing, it might make sense. Since it was already lower than most builds, hopefully they are capable and smart enough to make up for it in other ways. I've already prepared to -x from my only static weekly trials group and go full casual/take a break until I see a build I enjoy become viable.

Many of the people I grouped with don't play or barely login now anyways.

AetherialXL wrote: »

Since subclassing and now dragonknight buff I think one bar HA builds need cleave from heavy attacks restored. Because one bars are becoming more and more useless while 2 bar getting stronger, the damage gap between the 2 is growing every update. At least give use the cleave back, the nerf is no longer needed.

One bar builds should become more useless. In fact, they shouldn’t even be in the game. They take zero effort and should yield the same results. This might come off wrong but it needs to be said: stop using those with actual disabilities as a tool to justify a lazy play style. How hard is it to sit still in a chair with your arms relaxed and hands wrapped around a controller and press buttons? It’s not. This is coming from a disabled combat veteran with chronic neurological pain throughout my back, upper and lower extremities, traumatic brain injury from being blown up, etc. I’m really tired of people coming on these forums as well as other platforms and exaggerating or flat out lying about having disabilities in order to justify a play style that is watering down the combat system in this game. And that applies to pve and PvP. When you see players with HA builds in the top 3 of sweaty BG lobbies you know something isn’t right. Hard content is supposed to be hard, not easy and accessible. Back in the day it took me many attempts to beat vMA and it felt rewarding when I finally did. Now people feel entitled that everything should be handed to them and if not then somehow they have been left behind, excluded or cheated. Stop treating everything like a sticker book or theme park. Shame on those who fall in that demographic and I hope those who actually do live with disabilities on a daily basis speak up against these liars that want to game the system. Unless all of a sudden majority of the player base has lost function in their upper body/extremeties, which I highly doubt, this kind of rhetoric needs to stop. Cut out all of this “me too” nonsense as if it’s some how cool to have actual disabilities. Trust me, it’s not. Overcoming the challenge is the reward. I’ll end my rant with a classic but insightful phrase: “learn to play”. Nobody said any of this was supposed to be easy so stop acting like anything is owed to you because it comes at the detriment of the rest of us.

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ESO_player123 wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Since subclassing and now dragonknight buff I think one bar HA builds need cleave from heavy attacks restored. Because one bars are becoming more and more useless while 2 bar getting stronger, the damage gap between the 2 is growing every update. At least give use the cleave back, the nerf is no longer needed.

One bar builds should become more useless. In fact, they shouldn’t even be in the game. They take zero effort and should yield the same results. This might come off wrong but it needs to be said: stop using those with actual disabilities as a tool to justify a lazy play style. How hard is it to sit still in a chair with your arms relaxed and hands wrapped around a controller and press buttons? It’s not. This is coming from a disabled combat veteran with chronic neurological pain throughout my back, upper and lower extremities, traumatic brain injury from being blown up, etc. I’m really tired of people coming on these forums as well as other platforms and exaggerating or flat out lying about having disabilities in order to justify a play style that is watering down the combat system in this game. And that applies to pve and PvP. When you see players with HA builds in the top 3 of sweaty BG lobbies you know something isn’t right. Hard content is supposed to be hard, not easy and accessible. Back in the day it took me many attempts to beat vMA and it felt rewarding when I finally did. Now people feel entitled that everything should be handed to them and if not then somehow they have been left behind, excluded or cheated. Stop treating everything like a sticker book or theme park. Shame on those who fall in that demographic and I hope those who actually do live with disabilities on a daily basis speak up against these liars that want to game the system. Unless all of a sudden majority of the player base has lost function in their upper body/extremeties, which I highly doubt, this kind of rhetoric needs to stop. Cut out all of this “me too” nonsense as if it’s some how cool to have actual disabilities. Trust me, it’s not. Overcoming the challenge is the reward. I’ll end my rant with a classic but insightful phrase: “learn to play”. Nobody said any of this was supposed to be easy so stop acting like anything is owed to you because it comes at the detriment of the rest of us.

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It did come off wrong.

I am ok with that.

A wise man once said: “ In order to speak the truth you must be willing to offend others.”

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Chase0351 wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Since subclassing and now dragonknight buff I think one bar HA builds need cleave from heavy attacks restored. Because one bars are becoming more and more useless while 2 bar getting stronger, the damage gap between the 2 is growing every update. At least give use the cleave back, the nerf is no longer needed.

One bar builds should become more useless. In fact, they shouldn’t even be in the game. They take zero effort and should yield the same results. This might come off wrong but it needs to be said: stop using those with actual disabilities as a tool to justify a lazy play style. How hard is it to sit still in a chair with your arms relaxed and hands wrapped around a controller and press buttons? It’s not. This is coming from a disabled combat veteran with chronic neurological pain throughout my back, upper and lower extremities, traumatic brain injury from being blown up, etc. I’m really tired of people coming on these forums as well as other platforms and exaggerating or flat out lying about having disabilities in order to justify a play style that is watering down the combat system in this game. And that applies to pve and PvP. When you see players with HA builds in the top 3 of sweaty BG lobbies you know something isn’t right. Hard content is supposed to be hard, not easy and accessible. Back in the day it took me many attempts to beat vMA and it felt rewarding when I finally did. Now people feel entitled that everything should be handed to them and if not then somehow they have been left behind, excluded or cheated. Stop treating everything like a sticker book or theme park. Shame on those who fall in that demographic and I hope those who actually do live with disabilities on a daily basis speak up against these liars that want to game the system. Unless all of a sudden majority of the player base has lost function in their upper body/extremeties, which I highly doubt, this kind of rhetoric needs to stop. Cut out all of this “me too” nonsense as if it’s some how cool to have actual disabilities. Trust me, it’s not. Overcoming the challenge is the reward. I’ll end my rant with a classic but insightful phrase: “learn to play”. Nobody said any of this was supposed to be easy so stop acting like anything is owed to you because it comes at the detriment of the rest of us.

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A lot of people use these builds and depend on them. People who dont care about Sets, light attack weaving, leaderboards, trial runs. They're into housing, Fashion, Tales of Tribute, Casinos, Auctions. Some are disabled, some are older folks who cant weave anymore. And a lot of other things. Maybe they aren't great at combat but theyre still GMs and Officers and there is a LOT more in this game than just PvP and Leaderboards.

The game needs to stop being designed around these self proclaimed Leaderbord people and the rest of the Eso population. The rest of the game needs to stop being lectured by them. And start speaking out more. Im on Leaderboards too and the last thing that needs to happen is to take away Oakensoul. Anyone on a Leaderboard and worried about someone with an Oakensoul Ring has far bigger problems than 1 Mythic. I can say the same thing about Shattered Paths Signet and Velothi we are all so tired of seeing and hearing about. THOSE are real problems.

I’m not that good at weaving, especially under pressure like in a PvP setting and I’m definitely not on any leaderboards and yet I still manage to have a great time, win or lose. If you are into housing and all of that then you should not care how much dps your HA builds put out nor should you care about completing vet content or competing at even a remotely high level in PvP. My comment is not directed at people that are into housing and the socialization aspect of eso. I’m directly confronting those people who are complaining about their damage output and level of competitiveness in eso such the OP. If you want to use HA one button builds for super casual normal gameplay that is ok. But you should never expect them to be remotely competitive. In fact you do not need any dps as far as I know to decorate your house.