Faltasë wrote: »

It is perfectly fine where it is. Do not convince ZOS to go back to their reactionary *** they've done in the past that has exhausting negative effects on everyone's future in the game.

No it's not.

They decided to update the classes?
Great idea.

They decided to do it one by one, increasing the feeling of imbalance?
That's their choice, but now they have to live with it.

Xarc wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

It is perfectly fine where it is. Do not convince ZOS to go back to their reactionary *** they've done in the past that has exhausting negative effects on everyone's future in the game.

No it's not.

They decided to update the classes?
Great idea.

They decided to do it one by one, increasing the feeling of imbalance?
That's their choice, but now they have to live with it.

Would you rather them wait 2 years to do it all at once and keep the previous meta broken for the next two years or would you rather have incremental class domination so that it's a little bit more fresh?

Because they've said in the past few months they haven't even started working on the Sorcerer refresh yet, so idk why you expect everything to be done all at once when they just announced this *** at the end of last year.

I will admit sure it's disappointing to wait too long, but you'd also complain if they didn't do incremental class refreshes. Because if they waited 2 years, they'd have to deal with "ugh muh Arcanist beams too OP also please nerf warden subclasses and take away gankers power!"

All MMOs are an everlasting battle of balance, and I think tbh with what they've given, this is about the best we can possibly get without continuing to *** up the rest of the game. Don't take something good away just because the rest of the good stuff hasn't come yet.

Xarc wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

It is perfectly fine where it is. Do not convince ZOS to go back to their reactionary *** they've done in the past that has exhausting negative effects on everyone's future in the game.

No it's not.

They decided to update the classes?
Great idea.

They decided to do it one by one, increasing the feeling of imbalance?
That's their choice, but now they have to live with it.

Would you rather them wait 2 years to do it all at once and keep the previous meta broken for the next two years or would you rather have incremental class domination so that it's a little bit more fresh?

They could perfectly well have improved the class without creating such an imbalance.

Uh no, they couldn't have, because the rest of the classes are underpowered based on the fact they need refreshes, and since Dragonknight came first... That's why the other classes are underpowered. Because they also need refreshes. The solution is to... Continue refreshing the classes, not nerf the dragonknight back to what it was before the refreshes... Because then when the next refresh comes, everyone will complain that the DK is now underpowered, and then they'll have to buff it back up again anyways.

This type of *** should be saved for after all the refreshes, because otherwise it's just going to be a pointless endeavor anyways. You're asking for something that gets essentially overwritten in 5 months bro.

I can't wait to see you complain about Warden in PVP in 5 months. See you then!

They're adding the Class Mastery lines next patch to help address this exact thing while they bring the rest up to the great standard (heh) they set with DK. ESO is finally headed in an actually positive, hopeful direction. Nerfing DK back into the dirt would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

As a Templar main who will have to wait a full year for his refresh, I'm delighted seeing DK get a chance to shine so bright, and will be just as delighted watching Warden and Sorc before me (assuming they keep the planned schedule, anyway).

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

It is perfectly fine where it is. Do not convince ZOS to go back to their reactionary *** they've done in the past that has exhausting negative effects on everyone's future in the game.

No it's not.

They decided to update the classes?
Great idea.

They decided to do it one by one, increasing the feeling of imbalance?
That's their choice, but now they have to live with it.

Technically, it's you that has to live with it.

Lol read my mind.

Quite honestly, as others have said, it was either do it all at once, or do it like this.

All making changes right now will do is implement delays in the process. When we get the next class update things will start to balance out, there will be two OP classes, then 3, then 4, and at that point it will just be complaints about the underpreforming ones.

Xarc wrote: »

Hello ZOS Combat Team, @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Given the increasing number of complaints regarding the new version of the DragonKnight, I think it's time for a nerf.

Why can't we wait until you update our other classes?
Well, because it would take too long.
We want to play, right?

You can keep the beautiful animations, but reduce its power, however you can, find a way.

Thank you.

No, just no. I dislike subclassing, can we get rid if that? Of course not. Just wondering if peeps are upset mainly because they are no longer over-powered by the updated DK changes.

It's actually time to wait for the class updates. They did a good job with DK and I hope they stick with the plan for once.

I don't think they should make significant nerfs on any class until the refreshes are over. The upcoming class mastery system should be weaker for DK than u remastered classes though.

Estin wrote: »

Do you really want more of that just because you lost a hand full of times to DKs?

By handful do you mean every single time for the next year or whatever?😂

Umm, no it's not time. DK is the level where the other classes will or should be once they also receive their updates and visual overhauls.

DK damage is right where it should be because prior to the DK update Cyrodiil had been in a terrible high health tank meta where many players were nearly unkillable, especially groups with a healer.

The time to kill in ESO was way too high and needed to be lowered.

Estin wrote: »

There isn't actually a lot of complaints. If you look, it's just the same 5 or so people spamming threads saying to nerf DK. I don't know what their goal is. Do they want pure classes to remain barely usable? Do they really want Animal Companions + Assassination + Storm Calling/Restoring Light to remain the top PvP build? It's really hard to understand the thought process behind people who are still running stage 3 vampire in a patch where everyone is using temporarily imbalanced flame damage. The U50 class passives will solve 90% of these people's complaints about class imbalance until everything is refreshed. Why is it so hard to wait? The worst thing ZOS can do is revert back to the heavy handed spreadsheet nerfing of the previous dev team that caused us to be put in this situation. Do you really want more of that just because you lost a hand full of times to DKs?

Same people, and its all in pvp, its always either people that are in pvp or have issues getting into trial group runs.

"(X) class is in a good spot" is the statement made when that class becomes the meta.

I am firmly on the side of, wait until the refreshes roll out before calling to nerf anything.

If Sorc was the first one rolled out for its refresh, everyone would be calling for that class to be nerfed too. Because that's the whole point of the refresh... To raise each of the classes up. Clearly it worked very well so far. Be patient, learn to enjoy being whipped and wait for your class to get its turn bring upgraded.

DoofusMax wrote: »

<Insert "burn the witch!" meme here> DK is fine right where it is. Yeah, I get shredded in BGs, but I'll live with it as long as the other classes measure up when they get their turn.

This is exactly how most people should feel. But the issue is that you can't please everyone with any implementation of a better solution, because people would complain for nerfs either way.

all the DKs on this thread : "nooo it's fine like it is!!!"

Sure, for you.