putting it out there now: night market time limit

Necrotech_Master · April 5

i know night market is not available yet, but why in gods name is this event zone going to be limited duration when there will be bother monster set gear AND mythic leads that will ONLY be obtainable from this event zone when its active?

yes we have the recreation system now, but it will be awful having to try to farm up 5 leads for a mythic, 9 monster helms, and 9 monster shoulders in a roughly 7 week period (april 29-june 17)? there should absolutely not be any gear or antiquity leads tied into a limited time zone

anyone who missed out on obtaining those will be SOL until the event zone is reopened for one
this could create a situation in the future where if something "good" is released from a temporary zone, and someone misses out on it, they could be severely disadvantaged in certain content (such as pvp) because they were not around during the event and would have to wait until the next time it came around
tying antiquity leads into a temporary event will lead to a situation where people who like to finish codex entries will not be able to work on them at all until the event zone is opened back up

i know the whole thing is not available yet, but this just screams bad design/decision making to me, its quite a bit different than someone missing out on purely cosmetic items such as most of the holiday related achievements and associated collectibles as gear actively influences your character and combat

wolfie1.0. · April 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i know night market is not available yet, but why in gods name is this event zone going to be limited duration when there will be bother monster set gear AND mythic leads that will ONLY be obtainable from this event zone when its active?

yes we have the recreation system now, but it will be awful having to try to farm up 5 leads for a mythic, 9 monster helms, and 9 monster shoulders in a roughly 7 week period (april 29-june 17)? there should absolutely not be any gear or antiquity leads tied into a limited time zone
anyone who missed out on obtaining those will be SOL until the event zone is reopened for one

this could create a situation in the future where if something "good" is released from a temporary zone, and someone misses out on it, they could be severely disadvantaged in certain content (such as pvp) because they were not around during the event and would have to wait until the next time it came around

tying antiquity leads into a temporary event will lead to a situation where people who like to finish codex entries will not be able to work on them at all until the event zone is opened back up

i know the whole thing is not available yet, but this just screams bad design/decision making to me, its quite a bit different than someone missing out on purely cosmetic items such as most of the holiday related achievements and associated collectibles as gear actively influences your character and combat

All I will say is this, the leads for whatever mythic exists within the night market had better drop like candy.

PeacefulAnarchy · April 5

They have said the leads will drop in other places when the Night Market is inactive, so the Mythic is not time limited.

The monster sets are not only tied to the night market, but also tied to specific factions, so you can only get one per iteration of the Night Market.

Arunei · April 5

I would hope that if they do wind up removing the Night Market after the initial three rounds (so everyone has a chance to get stuff from each Faction at least once) that they would introduce some sort of system or "market" where all the Collectibles, including the Night Den, is made available. Maybe put them in the permanent offerings of the Bazaar?

Necrotech_Master · April 5

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

They have said the leads will drop in other places when the Night Market is inactive, so the Mythic is not time limited.

The monster sets are not only tied to the night market, but also tied to specific factions, so you can only get one per iteration of the Night Market.

that would be nice on the mythic

and the thing with monster sets seems actually worse if thats how it will work, unless joining a faction is per character and not per account so you could earn towards all 3 factions with during one event

regardless, its still a poorly thought out idea to incorporate set gear into a limited event with no alternative method to earn it

PeacefulAnarchy · April 5

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

and the thing with monster sets seems actually worse if thats how it will work, unless joining a faction is per character and not per account so you could earn towards all 3 factions with during one event

It is per account, and yeah I don't know why they think that's a good but last I saw there was no indication this was something they were considering changing.

Necrotech_Master · April 5

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

and the thing with monster sets seems actually worse if thats how it will work, unless joining a faction is per character and not per account so you could earn towards all 3 factions with during one event

It is per account, and yeah I don't know why they think that's a good but last I saw there was no indication this was something they were considering changing.

thats why i figured i would start a discussion now on how bad it was that its a limited time event

when i initially read up on the night market, i assumed it was an event zone because it was like some kind of new zone that was instanced to have this specific faction event thing, a pseudo cyro if it were even if no pvp was involved

but when i saw it was referring to "event" as in "limited time experience" that immediately soured me on the idea of the new zone and will be going from "enjoying the content" to "forced grinding to obtain limited time gear" (one of the things i have been trying to do is finish/catch up on gear collection, im down to like 360 items or so missing right now, and 18 of those are the night market monster sets)

DoofusMax · April 5

Uhmmm... any leads which drop from Night Market will be available from other sources when Night Market isn't running. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Monster Helms are six pieces, not the couple or three dozen like overland and dungeon sets. They're still "go there, kill that boss, get your curated piece, and repeat until you have all the pieces." Your FOMO is misplaced here. Additionally, your account will be faction-locked for the duration, so you'll be wanting to change factions when the Night Market comes back in Season Two to get another faction's stuff. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Thus far, what I'm hearing is complaints about problems which aren't problems. Did I miss something?

Elvenheart · April 5

The thing that gives me hope is that they have said if players’ reception of the event is good they will consider making it a permanent zone.

Elvenheart · April 5

They’ve also said it will definitely be back two more times so people can try out each faction if they want to. I’m hoping I will like it and they will end up making it permanent. It would be funny to go to my house there when the zone itself doesn’t exist.

YffresTrill · April 5

This is also unfortunate for those of us who prefer to quest in a new zone months later, once it quiets down. This is unlikely to be possible in a temporary zone with lots of obligatory grinding if you wish to acquire everything.

Elvenheart wrote: »

The thing that gives me hope is that they have said if players’ reception of the event is good they will consider making it a permanent zone.

I hope this will happen!

Marronsuisse · April 5

I'm glad it's limited. It means there will actually be players in there, which is important for a zone tuned for group play.

Arunei wrote: »

I would hope that if they do wind up removing the Night Market after the initial three rounds (so everyone has a chance to get stuff from each Faction at least once) that they would introduce some sort of system or "market" where all the Collectibles, including the Night Den, is made available. Maybe put them in the permanent offerings of the Bazaar?

That'd be nice, and I think it sounds likely.

Necrotech_Master · April 5

DoofusMax wrote: »

Uhmmm... any leads which drop from Night Market will be available from other sources when Night Market isn't running. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Monster Helms are six pieces, not the couple or three dozen like overland and dungeon sets. They're still "go there, kill that boss, get your curated piece, and repeat until you have all the pieces." Your FOMO is misplaced here. Additionally, your account will be faction-locked for the duration, so you'll be wanting to change factions when the Night Market comes back in Season Two to get another faction's stuff. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Thus far, what I'm hearing is complaints about problems which aren't problems. Did I miss something?

why could i not get all of the monster sets during ONE event? or why could i not get the monster sets outside of the event period?

again the problem is if someone missed the event, they would be SOL on those drops until the event came back, and if you are being limited to ONE faction per event period, then you cant collect all of the monster gear in 1 event

the only solution (like others noted) is if they made it a permanent zone

there is no reason to tie gear into a event zone thats not going to be around all of the time, especially if its impossible to get all of the drops in 1 event

thats like saying you can only get 1/3 of an anniversary cake per year, so it would take 3 years to make 1 cake because you are limited to 1 of the 3 parts at a time even though all 3 are available every year (yes i know this isnt how the anniversary event would work, but if it was using the night market gear rules, it would be)

for the mythic, i did not know it would be available through other means until another poster above you mentioned it, if thats the case then im not worried about that

and again i also noted that gear is a completely different thing than all of the purely cosmetic stuff offered in most seasonal events, limiting gear to an event is a horrible design decision

wolfie1.0. · April 5

DoofusMax wrote: »

Uhmmm... any leads which drop from Night Market will be available from other sources when Night Market isn't running. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Monster Helms are six pieces, not the couple or three dozen like overland and dungeon sets. They're still "go there, kill that boss, get your curated piece, and repeat until you have all the pieces." Your FOMO is misplaced here. Additionally, your account will be faction-locked for the duration, so you'll be wanting to change factions when the Night Market comes back in Season Two to get another faction's stuff. Your FOMO is misplaced here. Thus far, what I'm hearing is complaints about problems which aren't problems. Did I miss something?

Given how many of us feel about tomes and the missing information given via omission in multiple articles and forum posts and the general vagueness of how things have historically been presented. Until its in game and live, nothing is set in stone.

DoofusMax · April 5

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Given how many of us feel about tomes and the missing information given via omission in multiple articles and forum posts and the general vagueness of how things have historically been presented. Until its in game and live, nothing is set in stone.

That is a very not-unreasonable take. Many of these systems have not been explained clearly and that lack of clarity is often compounded when being spread through other channels. I kinda get that ZOS is trying not to spoil any surprises, but there have been plenty of unpleasant surprises because of that lack of clear explanation at the outset. Communication with the community has improved immensely, but "still needs work" pretty much sums up the current state of affairs.