Weekly tome challenge Tome Points rewards

msetten · April 2

Can we start a list here with the amount of tome points the various challenges will reward.
I especially wonder if a re-roll guarantees that you get a task of about the same amount or not. And if it is totally random, that would mean that based on the RNG of the weekly roll, some player will be able to get more tome points than others.

I'll start with the five I have:

Collect Ore from 15 Veins: 6x 60 =360
Collect Resources from 15 Runestonres = 6x 60 =360
Complete 1 Group Dungeon = 3x 125 =375
Defeat the Symphone of Blades, the Lava Queen or Molag Kena = 3x 200 =600
Discover 5 Lore Books = 6x 70 =420

twisttop138 · April 2

So, the reroll should give you the same points with the chance for an epic, which is worth more. Idk if they're calling them epics but that's what it's called in fallout 76 so I'll call it the same here.

msetten · April 2

Complete 1 Arena: 2x 200=400
Complete 1 Incursion: 6x 60 =360
Collect 15 Alchemical Ingredients: 6 x 70 =420
Kill citizens with the blade of woe: 5x 80 =400

msetten · April 2

Collect wood from 15 logs: 6x 60 =360
Complete 1 battleground match: 3x 120 =360
Defeat Qumehdi, Zaman or Macius Gento: 5x 90=450
Complete 1 incursion: 6x 60 =360

lillybit · April 2

Complete 1 Incursion: 6x 60 =360
Complete 1 Arena: 2x 200 =400
Collect Clothier Resources from 15 Plants: 6x 60 =360
Collect Resources from 15 Runestones: 6x 60 = 360
Defeat Zymel or Zymel Kruz: 5x 90 =450

I rerolled a couple but don't remember what they were before

BardokRedSnow · April 2

I gotta say this is the most fun I've had doing an event almost ever, the rewards with the tome and the event are so good. Been enjoying it a lot with my duo and getting stuff I needed/wanted for a while but missed out on.

Maythor · April 2

I think there is another thread that has said we do have the chance to get differing rewards for different tasks if we re-roll and that we do have differing amounts available. I remember just the other day either reading or hearing a ZOS source saying they knew people disliked the RNGness of systems in game, and now here we are with a new system introducing more! Just as well we can laugh, it's 2026 after all!

In the pursuit of science though here are mine (unrolled),

Kill 8 Dangerous Foes 5x70 =350
Collect Resources from 15 Runestones 6x60 =360
Collect 15 Alechemical ingerdients 6x70 =420
Complete One Trial 2x200 =400
Defeat the Serpent of Sanctum Ophidia 525

For a weekly total of 2055, so 60 less than OP.

msetten · April 2

twisttop138 wrote: »

So, the reroll should give you the same points with the chance for an epic, which is worth more. Idk if they're calling them epics but that's what it's called in fallout 76 so I'll call it the same here.

What do you mean with "the reroll should give you the same points"? Is that your opinion how it should work, or something ZOS said. If the latter, it seems to be bugged, see the posts in https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/690460/weekly-challenges-award-inconsistent-tome-points#latest

Maitsukas · April 2

I already started a thread on it while the PTS testing was ongoing:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/688223/list-of-tamriel-tome-challenges-and-tome-point-rewards-feel-free-to-contribute

Maythor · April 2

I guess it's too soon to tell if RNG will level out at some point, or if some characters/accounts will be at a consistent disadvantage?

Corbiel · April 2

That's quite unfair, I've already completed 3 weeklies with lower rewards. It's okay that some give slightly more points, but not this enormous differences.

Or at least give us a selection when rerolling, like in the IA,

DenverRalphy · April 2

Anybody keeping track, be sure to pay attention to the total sum. Different tasks may award different amounts between rerols. But they may also be auto adjusting to ensure the final tally of all tasks (including the total number of times completing each task) is the same.

Here is what I had upon logging in. No re-rolls.

PeacefulAnarchy · April 2

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Anybody keeping track, be sure to pay attention to the total sum. Different tasks may award different amounts between rerols. But they may also be auto adjusting to ensure the final tally of all tasks (including the total number of times completing each task) is the same.

Here is what I had upon logging in. No re-rolls.

I see no reason to believe they're doing any kind of RNG adjusting.

Here's one
6*60=360
6*60=360
6*70=420
6*60=360
6*70=420
=1920

Here's another
2*200=400
6*60=360
3*200=600
6*60=360
6*70=420
=2140

DoofusMax · 1:23AM

I'd have to go back in-game and look to be 100% certain, but that's pretty close to what I'm seeing: four weeklies worth 360 each and the Trial one, which is worth 400, so 1840 for the first week ("partial week" since those reset on Tuesday). I strongly suspect that everyone got the same seasonal challenge (Anniversary boxes worth 1500) and the daily logins will be a permanent fixture in all Tomes if I'm understanding @ZOS_GinaBruno's post correctly (a bit more than 1400 for those if someone chooses to chase them).

If that math holds for the rest of the season (~2K points per week for ~14 weeks), then Tome Point caches might end up being superfluous for unlocking pages (20K points needed to unlock the bonus pages) if someone were to be diligent about snagging every point every week.

(tap-tap-tap-ahem Kahjiit would like to know what this "diligent" means. He does not think he knows this word and is he quite sure no one has ever called him "diligent." Many other things, perhaps, but never "diligent." Unless it means something like fish-breath. This he has been called from time to time.) Sorry. Characters getting uppity over here.

Anyway, if that supposition on the point value of weeklies holds, the total point cost for all rewards on the free tier (~15K) would leave several thousand points left over at the end of Season Zero. Premium purchasers will need somewhat more than 30K points to get all free and Premium tier rewards, but I did not include any seasonal challenges in my back-of-the-envelope guesstimations.

AzuraFan · 2:47AM

I've noticed that the 200+ point challenges I've seen so far involve dungeons and trials. Fortunately I don't mind doing dungeons, but for people who always play solo or who don't enjoy dungeons/trials, that's bad. Sure, they can "play as they want" by rolling for other items, but it's not really fair that those players will never earn the same number of points per week as players who run trials and dungeons. Especially for players who pay $$ because they want the extra cosmetics. These tomes aren't exactly cheap.

Hopefully the points will be adjusted in the future so that players who don't run dungeons/trials for whatever reason can earn tome points on par with those who do.

allochthons · 3:17AM

Kill 8 dangerous foes: 70 x 5 = 350
Collect ore from 15 veins: 60 x 6 = 360
Collect Resources from 15 runestones: 60 x 6 = 360
Kill 5 citizens with Blade of Woe: 80 x 5 = 400
Defeat Knight Commander Panthius: 105 x 5 = 525
Total: 1995

Treeshka · 6:47AM

I think each of these challenges should have a category. Easy, Medium and Veteran etc. If you reroll an Easy challenge it should give you another easy challenge. This rolling challenges to get a bit more Tome Points is not good in my opinion.

Toanis · 8:23AM

Collect ore from 15 Veins: 6 x 60 = 360
Complete 1 Trial: 2 x 200 = 400
Defeat Knight Commander Panthius (Kvatch Arena) 5 x 105 = 525
Kill 8 Dangerous Foes 5 x 70 = 350
Excavate Bosmer Hunting Horn, Orcish Siege gear or Augur's Bones 4 x 125 = 500
Total: 2135

ADarklore · 10:19AM

Here is what I think is dumb, the system should be set to NOT offer the exact same challenge TWICE. I already had a challenge about collecting runes, and when I re-rolled another, I got a second challenge to collect runes. So now I have two of the exact same challenges to collect runes. So will they both complete at the same time or will I have to do them twice?

msetten · 10:23AM

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I think is dumb, the system should be set to NOT offer the exact same challenge TWICE. I already had a challenge about collecting runes, and when I re-rolled another, I got a second challenge to collect runes. So now I have two of the exact same challenges to collect runes. So will they both complete at the same time or will I have to do them twice?

I have that with a kill dungeon boss challenge (with choice of three dungeons) and they run parallel. So killing the boss will give me point in each of the two instances of the challenge.

In you case, harvesting a runestone would mean that if you add a point to both of those challenges.

(In my case, I am lucky as that is a challenge that awards 3x 200=600 tome points, or in this case, 1200 tome points totally)

ADarklore · 10:30AM

msetten wrote: »

I have that with a kill dungeon boss challenge (with choice of three dungeons) and they run parallel. So killing the boss will give me point in each of the two instances of the challenge.

In you case, harvesting a runestone would mean that if you add a point to both of those challenges.

(In my case, I am lucky as that is a challenge that awards 3x 200=600 tome points, or in this case, 1200 tome points totally)

Thanks for the reply. Glad to know I won't have to complete it twice.

heaven13 · 10:54AM

Here are mine:

120x3 = 360
75x5 = 375
70x6 = 420
60x6 = 360
200x3 = 600
Total: 2115

raystormusa · 10:58AM

Here is my own list, based on observations across multiple accounts. Ive checked all above replies and it looks like I have not missed out any unique Challenge names.

Some thoughts : as noted by others, it is possible to obtain a repeat duplicate of a Challenge. I have not observed any instance of a triplicate or more.

Total final tallies after re-rolling Challenges:
1955, 2040, 2085, 2105, 2125, 2185, 2190, 2230, 2235, 2260, 2240, 2265 (one of the screenshots below shows this possible “best score”)

When I was making the list, I didnt think that there could be an upper cap, but this is definitely possible and I guess can be proven wrong if someone can show 5 Challenges amounting to the top 5 by Points (600+600+525+525+525 = 2775)

Instead, I assumed that there is some RNG favouring lower to mid-Point Challenges, leading to a very rough 91 observation size (including re-roll observations), to make a rudimentary “Chance” column. Please do not take this as gospel. It is simply my observation, and open to dispute. I am neither a Math major nor Statistician.

Final take-away: if you have re-rolls left, you might want to attempt some to get Challenges at a higher Point value and “Chance”. Good luck.

SolidBeast · 11:07AM

Collect clothier resources from 15 plants - 6 x 60
Complete 1 trial - 2 x 200
Collect wood from 15 logs - 6 x 60
Complete 1 arena - 2 x 200
Complete 1 battlegorund match 3 x 120

Total of 1880 after 2 rerolls. Ngl this is really pissing me off. Who thought this was a good idea??

twisttop138 · 11:12AM

AzuraFan wrote: »

I've noticed that the 200+ point challenges I've seen so far involve dungeons and trials. Fortunately I don't mind doing dungeons, but for people who always play solo or who don't enjoy dungeons/trials, that's bad. Sure, they can "play as they want" by rolling for other items, but it's not really fair that those players will never earn the same number of points per week as players who run trials and dungeons. Especially for players who pay $$ because they want the extra cosmetics. These tomes aren't exactly cheap.

Hopefully the points will be adjusted in the future so that players who don't run dungeons/trials for whatever reason can earn tome points on par with those who do.

I got more points on the wrothgar world bosses then trials, so that's what the rerolls are for.

That said, I don't think they should've done it like this. Everyone should get the same weekly points, if different tasks. With the chance to reroll for an epic. Person A shouldnt log in to 1900 total and person B log in to 2200. We should all have the same base and have to spend rerolls for a chance at epics. This would add the benefit of putting reroll packs as rewards in the tomes or sell them for gold or something.

SolidBeast · 11:23AM

twisttop138 wrote: »

This would add the benefit of putting reroll packs as rewards in the tomes or sell them for gold or something.

Why on earth would you want this? Don't give them ideas, please. That would directly devalue the rewards in the tomes. Personally, if I have to micromanage and minmax the tome point system, I'm not inclined to even participate. Why would I want to gamble for points every single week? Only to open a tome and get... rerolls so I can get more tome points or not? That's replacing the daily login and endeavors system with something far WORSE.

AzuraFan · 1:16PM

twisttop138 wrote: »

I got more points on the wrothgar world bosses then trials, so that's what the rerolls are for.

That said, I don't think they should've done it like this. Everyone should get the same weekly points, if different tasks. With the chance to reroll for an epic. Person A shouldnt log in to 1900 total and person B log in to 2200. We should all have the same base and have to spend rerolls for a chance at epics. This would add the benefit of putting reroll packs as rewards in the tomes or sell them for gold or something.

I had a WB one that rewarded me less than the dungeon/trial ones, so I guess it depends on the zone.

As for your second point, I agree. In fact, everyone's weekly challenges should add up to the same number of points. So sure, re-roll, but the system should ensure that your five weekly challenges will always add up to 2000 points or whatever. The current system is just dumb, and biased towards certain activities.

PeacefulAnarchy · 2:09PM

raystormusa wrote: »

Here is my own list, based on observations across multiple accounts. Ive checked all above replies and it looks like I have not missed out any unique Challenge names.

Some thoughts : as noted by others, it is possible to obtain a repeat duplicate of a Challenge. I have not observed any instance of a triplicate or more.

Total final tallies after re-rolling Challenges:
1955, 2040, 2085, 2105, 2125, 2185, 2190, 2230, 2235, 2260, 2240, 2265 (one of the screenshots below shows this possible “best score”)

When I was making the list, I didnt think that there could be an upper cap, but this is definitely possible and I guess can be proven wrong if someone can show 5 Challenges amounting to the top 5 by Points (600+600+525+525+525 = 2775)

Instead, I assumed that there is some RNG favouring lower to mid-Point Challenges, leading to a very rough 91 observation size (including re-roll observations), to make a rudimentary “Chance” column. Please do not take this as gospel. It is simply my observation, and open to dispute. I am neither a Math major nor Statistician.

While there might be different probabilities for different things, your sample is too small to reach those conclusions with how many options for weeklies there are.

Also triplicates, and more are definitely possible. They just become less likely the more duplicates you want. I wouldn't be surprised if, long term, someone who doesn't care about tomes specifically rerolls to get all 12 challenges the same just to show off.

allochthons · 5:58PM

AzuraFan wrote: »

As for your second point, I agree. In fact, everyone's weekly challenges should add up to the same number of points. So sure, re-roll, but the system should ensure that your five weekly challenges will always add up to 2000 points or whatever. The current system is just dumb, and biased towards certain activities.

Agree with this completely. Mine add up to 1995, so middling, but I'm not going to re-roll them. I don't care enough. Nor am I in a hurry. But they really, really should be equal for everyone. Adding Yet Another Gambling Opportunity is not cool.