When is ZOS going to address the grievous action of ball-groups hijacking scrolls for farming?

RaikaNA · April 1

There are ball groups in Cyrodill who purposely siege keeps with scrolls... pick them up for the sole purpose of farming AP with it, and have no intention of bringing back the scroll... instead, once they get bored, they just let the timer run its course.

When is ZOS going to do something about this unsportsmanlike act? This does nothing to their faction.. only themselves by farming AP with it.

Blood_again · April 1

It is not mandatory to play for the faction interests.
Many (I guess, most) of the PvP players do well for the alliance because it matches with their personal goals in some way: farming rank, farming AP, getting a reward, having an honor in their own understanding.
While I agree it is not sporting, it is irritating, but it is a real flow of motivation. If the game allows players to achieve a goal easier/faster across the alliance interests, people will do it. It doesn't break the rules.
I think ZoS will do their fair nothing with it, and they will be right.

I would prefer those ten players to focus on besieging a keep instead of long kicking one necro somewhere in a corner. They do nothing to their faction that way. May devs address the issue?
Well, players keep doing it, because they want

moderatelyfatman · April 1

Blood_again wrote: »

It is not mandatory to play for the faction interests.
Many (I guess, most) of the PvP players do well for the alliance because it matches with their personal goals in some way: farming rank, farming AP, getting a reward, having an honor in their own understanding.
While I agree it is not sporting, it is irritating, but it is a real flow of motivation. If the game allows players to achieve a goal easier/faster across the alliance interests, people will do it. It doesn't break the rules.
I think ZoS will do their fair nothing with it, and they will be right.

I would prefer those ten players to focus on besieging a keep instead of long kicking one necro somewhere in a corner. They do nothing to their faction that way. May devs address the issue?
Well, players keep doing it, because they want

True, and there is no law saying you can't gank people on Skyshards or when the ride off a ledge and have half health.
Doesn't mean it should be part of the game.

BodhiLady · April 1

Last day of the camp and someone farms scroll for an hour (it resets if not landed) isn't going to make or break anything. Same if it's the first day.
And really, one scroll not buffing for 60 minutes isn't exactly an emergency. If you're stressed about it, make a scroll run build and go crazy running them back.
People are allowed to play this game how they want, it's kind of the brand.

Four_Fingers · April 1

Not to mention, how would you enforce all these rules you want.

Orbital78 · April 1

Vengeance is coming soon, I think. I heard mention of it in the Dev Direct stream, ESO live, or whatever a day ago. There is no dealing with it, other than getting a better ballgroup/zerg or not giving them what they want, and ignoring them. If you cannot beat them, it is only fitting that they keep the scroll and do whatever they want with it.

That being said, ZoS does need to look into the blatant cheating in Cyrodiil. Three+ mundus buffs, 3+ 5 pc set bonuses, and straight up memory injection to terrain mesh to scrolls is not a good look for "competitive" game modes.

BXR_Lonestar · April 1

RaikaNA wrote: »

There are ball groups in Cyrodill who purposely siege keeps with scrolls... pick them up for the sole purpose of farming AP with it, and have no intention of bringing back the scroll... instead, once they get bored, they just let the timer run its course.

When is ZOS going to do something about this unsportsmanlike act? This does nothing to their faction.. only themselves by farming AP with it.

You need to think of things differently. I don't think there is anything wrong with this when the campaign is out of reach and there is no other reason to play but to get kills. It IS PVP afterall.

Zos can do something about this by changing how scoring works to de-emphasize HOLDING the map and to emphasize other facets of PVP - like getting kills and capturing (But not holding) objectives. With the way PVP works right now, there is a sick and counterproductive incentive to "kill" the map or campaign so that your faction controls the map for long periods of time. That is not healthy for the game.

To be honest, I think it is a bigger grief for factions to team up against a single faction (have literally seen two factions move together, siege together, and never fight eachother) than it is for ballgroups to farm the scroll.

If you don't want to get farmed, just be somewhere else.

MissNoir · April 1

As long as people feed them, the ballgroups will keep doing what they’re doing.

Sidewaves89 · April 1

RaikaNA wrote: »

There are ball groups in Cyrodill who purposely siege keeps with scrolls... pick them up for the sole purpose of farming AP with it, and have no intention of bringing back the scroll... instead, once they get bored, they just let the timer run its course.

When is ZOS going to do something about this unsportsmanlike act? This does nothing to their faction.. only themselves by farming AP with it.

Won't farm much AP killing same dude for 10th time in 5 minutes. The reason they do it is different.

katanagirl1 · April 2

I agree OP, but I think ZOS feels that all is fair in love and war. I have seen so many of our own scrolls farmed and blatant hammer handoffs in the last couple of years. I can totally understand farming an opponent's scroll, I’d rather see that than put it in one of our keeps and then log off overnight and we lose the map the next morning.

Most PvPers say they care more about a good fight than winning the campaign. I’m not sure how a ball group is a good fight, though. It certainly is not fair since all of the tools that ZOS designed to fight ball groups can be used even more effectively by them against their opponents.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2

What do you want ZoS to do?

heimdall14_9 · April 2

have you happen to think on the factor if the ballgroups holding up the other ballgroup then KEEPS/OUTPOST more freely able to be gotten while they fight ???????? if not then idk what to say sometimes what you think does nothing does alot if YOU use that time right by looking at easyer fights without ballgroups but again its all just points of views and using time right or wrong

Aces-High-82 · April 2

As soon as a bg enters a cell in cyro server performance goes crap anyway. Just walk away from that cell.

I write it for the 100th time ..... Inevitable Detonation should scale at least 3x times higher while Battle Spirit is active....bg problem solved.

Oblivion_Protocol · April 2

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

As soon as a bg enters a cell in cyro server performance goes crap anyway. Just walk away from that cell.

I write it for the 100th time ..... Inevitable Detonation should scale at least 3x times higher while Battle Spirit is active....bg problem solved.

Even if 3x the damage was enough to kill ball group members, they’d just move away from each other and cleanse it.

frogthroat · April 2

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Aces-High-82 wrote: »

As soon as a bg enters a cell in cyro server performance goes crap anyway. Just walk away from that cell.

I write it for the 100th time ..... Inevitable Detonation should scale at least 3x times higher while Battle Spirit is active....bg problem solved.

Even if 3x the damage was enough to kill ball group members, they’d just move away from each other and cleanse it.

Move away, yes. Cleanse, no. Doesn't it explode if you cleanse it, just like Plaguebreak?

But maybe proxy det and the classic agony/dc? Balorgh, dark conv/agony and vicious death or something. But yeah, the det doesn't even need to be 3x bigger immediately, but "if more than 6 players are hit, the effect triples" or something like that. This way it would not make small groups life miserable, but once the group size is big enough... big bada boom.

WuffyCerulei · April 2

Trust me when I say that I very much hate that sort of play by ball groups, but it is apart of gameplay in Cyrodiil. It isn’t against the rules. I’d condemn it more if these groups were glitching/exploiting their way in. Then it’s actually cheating and whatnot.

Divine1976 · April 2

I usually go play something else when the balls groups start doing this.

It causes me to lag making skills hard to use and Its an unfun waste of my limited gaming time