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Why the one bar build hate? It needs to stop - some players do not like weapon swapping.
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Athory✭✭✭maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
1) 80k is more than enough for any veteran trial in this game. Keep two sets—one for bosses and another for trash—and you can complete any vet trial or even vet HM. Speed runs… well, maybe!
2)ZeniMax nerfed cleave on HA sorc to give Arcanist the cleave. Just go one-bar Arcanist: you can hit 100k DPS on bosses and deal more damage to trash than a lot of 2bar players. And, the reason is simple. While you’re channeling Beam and constantly dealing damage, many 2bar players are still casting AoEs while the trash is already almost dead.
😂:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.0 -
Ardriel✭✭✭✭✭All this “play however you want, it's all about having fun... dps doesn't matter, etc... etc.” is the typical talk of people who are inflexible, ignore the benefits of subclassing, don't bother with builds, don't want to learn more about game mechanics, practice rotations, or do anything else to improve their performance. At the same time though, they want to play veteran content—preferably veteran hardmode content.
Legitimate criticism is perceived as toxic behaviour of “pro players”.
The hate for the “mean pro players” is even worse than the hate for 1-bar players. Admittedly, sometimes the criticism isn’t phrased very nicely. But I can understand that, given what I’ve already experienced with random groups. ..It’s simply unfair to expect your teammates to carry you through the content.
In another post, I read that many players play 1-bar just because they can’t handle bar swapping due to the awkward key bindings, and they don’t know that you can change the keyboard layout in ESO. So these people haven’t even bothered to look at the individual tabs in the game settings menu. Otherwise, they would have seen that it’s possible to reassign the bar swap key to something more convenient for them.
What can you expect from people like that?
With a few exceptions, the performance of 1-bar players in veteran raids is inadequate. That might have been different two years ago. But things are constantly changing in ESO. That’s just how it is. What’s still meta today could mean getting kicked from the group a few updates later.
Of course ZOS could change that. Perhaps 1-bar builds could be buffed again, maybe together with the Class Mastery bonuses.
Nevertheless, it’s obviously unacceptable for a build that requires hitting only one or two keys to be just as powerful as a 2-bar build with perfect weaving and perfect DOT uptimes. That would be very unfair. Skilled play style and effort should be rewarded.
If you don't want to put that much time and effort into the game, you shouldn’t complain if you're excluded from certain content.
Of course, anyone can create their own raid group and invite whoever they want.
However, they’ll quickly realize that a veteran trial boss with people who can’t do more than 15–20k DPS is anything but fun. Even a Craglorn trial can become tough for such groups. Even though people like to claim that 15-20k dps is sufficient for it.
Unfortunately, the reality is that these players also struggle with mechanics and die more often. The healers and tanks in such groups are often overwhelmed. In the worst-case scenario, they’re even blamed for the wipes. “Not enough healing…tank not taunting…”
I’ve seen it all before. That’s no fun. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying.5 -
olda90✭✭✭For make it simple HA players just buy this
or this
this is the summary of all this discussion tbh
Edited by olda90 on March 30, 2026 2:30PM2 -
Athory✭✭✭
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Nevertheless, it’s obviously unacceptable for a build that requires hitting only one or two keys to be just as powerful as a 2-bar build with perfect weaving and perfect DOT uptimes. That would be very unfair. Skilled play style and effort should be rewarded.
If you don't want to put that much time and effort into the game, you shouldn’t complain if you're excluded from certain content."
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A very skilled 1bar player will never outperform a very skilled 2bar player. 1bar builds will always stay far behind. It’s been like that in the past, it’s like that in the present, and ZOS won’t change that in the future.
But here’s the thing, an HA player pressing just one button will always be better than a 2bar player who’s also only pressing one button....or two... Or five. 😏
If you want to compare builds or players, we have to put them on the same level for a fair comparison.
Because comparing a one button player to a 2bar player with perfect weaving and perfectly timed DoTs doesn’t seem fair… right?
Edited by Athory on March 30, 2026 2:42PM:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.0 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I like One bar.
It does not bother me that other people like and use the Swap.
I have not gotten any complaints from the people that kill my character in BGs
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Athory✭✭✭For make it simple HA players just buy this
or this
this is the summary of all this discussion tbh
Does that only work for 1bar players? Those players can use a maximum of 6 skills, and with so many mouse buttons available, 1bar builds don’t even need all of them.
What you showed would actually be perfect for 2bar players who parse lower than 1bar builds. With so many buttons just on the mouse, it would be interesting to understand why some 2bar players still parse less. More skills, more buttons, more bars.... Hum...
So, does any of that work for two-bar players?:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.0 -
olda90✭✭✭For make it simple HA players just buy this
or this
this is the summary of all this discussion tbh
Does that only work for 1bar players? Those players can use a maximum of 6 skills, and with so many mouse buttons available, 1bar builds don’t even need all of them.
What you showed would actually be perfect for 2bar players who parse lower than 1bar builds. With so many buttons just on the mouse, it would be interesting to understand why some 2bar players still parse less. More skills, more buttons, more bars.... Hum...
So, does any of that work for two-bar players?
Ahah keep going with your 1 bar build then and have fun without whining on the forums or pretending to be taken seriously.Edited by olda90 on March 30, 2026 3:12PM0 -
HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
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Ah, let me queue into random with a dogwater build, aggro everything, do no damage, die, and then complain about bad healing. You'll be sure to love me then.HatchetHaro wrote: »Of course people can play how they want to play. It's just that if they join a group and they underperform in their precious one-bar builds, we get to kick them because we play how we want to play: not carrying some buffoon!
I'm going to have to disagree here. If you're manually forming a group, then sure. You get to be picky about who you let in because you're doing the forming. If you asked for random, you take random, warts and all. Don't like what random dishes up? Then don't ask for random.
You asked for random, you take random, warts and all, right? If so, I wonder why the vote kick option exists.
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
Edited by HatchetHaro on March 30, 2026 3:44PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
20 Argonians
6x IR, 7x GH, 7x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained3 -
Orbital78✭✭✭✭✭
✭1) 80k is more than enough for any veteran trial in this game. Keep two sets—one for bosses and another for trash—and you can complete any vet trial or even vet HM. Speed runs… well, maybe!
I'm not sure about that, if everyone is at that level at least. Most leaders want 110-120k+ to make up for those sort of players, at least in the newer trials. That being said, I have cleared all of the vet trials on heavy attack builds. The bigger issue with the newer trials is players being able to stay alive, even I struggle on my arcanist at times.
Kazpian fight, top 6 are beamers. I'm 2nd lowest on a heavy attack sorc. I was on an unoptimal Argonian, normally I run Dunmer. I thought it was going to just be a farm, but we ended up clearing Fleshcrafter HM, If it weren't for those top dps, it wouldn't have been pretty. It still wasn't to be honest, but it was a open guild group run. Beamers do have a wide performace, my heavy sorc was close to a few, but it is quite easier to do much more than your standard heavy attack build. This guild has next to no requirements, find your people and keep trying to get better. I do get bored of running the same builds though, I hope with the class reworks more fun and simple builds will emerge.
The same guild and fight, partially different group but with more arcanists. I'm pretty easily #2. Arcanist isn't that complicated, I've been using the same build since Necrom almost. Subclassed to Tome, Assassin, and Dawns. I basically only use 5 skills, maybe 6 if I wanna push higher. Back bar ele wall, inspired scholarship on CD as best as possible. Then just tenticle twice and beam. Learn your angles to max cleave and try to keep quick cloak. I don't enjoy parsing but I was able to break 100-110k pretty easily after one or two tries. It isn't even a "great" build but it does well enough for me. I only light weave on flails for ulti gen. As long as they don't overly nerf beams in the class revamp, it is one of the easiest and new player friendly builds now. I haven't tried a new DK fire breathe build, but it is nice for solo.
Edited by Orbital78 on March 30, 2026 3:29PM0 -
Athory✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Actually, it’s easier for casual 1bar players to maintain an 80k parse than it is for casual2bar players to keep just 70k.
Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.Edited by Athory on March 30, 2026 3:51PM:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.2 -
olda90✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.
You recall very bad my guy 100K DPS "peak" was already with Elsweyr chapter 7 years ago with update 22.
You just wrote a pack of BS and you do seem an authentic keyboard forum warrior.Edited by olda90 on March 30, 2026 4:02PM4 -
DoofusMax✭✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »Ah, let me queue into random with a dogwater build, aggro everything, do no damage, die, and then complain about bad healing. You are sure to love me then.
You asked for random, you take random, warts and all, right? If so, I wonder why the vote kick option exists.
When you went random, you said "I want a body in a particular role" and you got a body in a particular role. It might have been someone who really knew what they were doing or it might have been a pretty clueless newb using a skill advisor build. Either way, you got exactly what you asked for: a body.
Forming your own group? Be as picky as you'd like. I'd even cut some slack for the Activity Finder since it's mostly trying to help automate that process. But you take what you get and make the best of it when you say, "gimme a body."
As for the kick option, there are many things in ESO where I scratch my head and wonder why they're in the game. Perhaps they had some utility at some point in the past, but they're more hindrance than help in 2026 in many cases. But gatekeeping in randoms is very much akin to "I'm starving and need some food" and then complaining because you didn't get a nice ribeye.I'm fresh out of outrage, but I could muster up some amused annoyance if required.0 -
FatOldGamer✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »They campaigned to get them nerfed for damage because they don't like the playstyle. Such people aren't ever going to want to run with heavy attack build users. It's best to ignore them and form your own group.
Not all one bar builds are heavy attack builds.0 -
Athory✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.
You recall very bad my guy 100K DPS "peak" was already with Elsweyr chapter 7 years ago with update 22.
You just wrote a pack of BS and you do seem an authentic keyboard forum warrior.
And here we go. When we don’t have enough arguments, we enter the "let me insult you" zone, just to provoke, because that’s all you’ve got.
But let me tell you, I’m not the best player in the game with 1bar or 2bars. In fact, I’m just a casual player. And I know so many players better than me in Onebar and Twobars… oh boy!
Keyboard warrior? Not at all. Invite me @Zaan’s PC-EU and show me in-game what trial HM I can’t handle with HA. Show me!
If you roll with your pre-called group, I’ll go Twobars. If we go PUGs, I’ll go HA. Come and show me. @Zaan’s PC-EU
I’ve only missed the last two bosses in vRG, all of vDSR, and the last bosses in vLC and vSE. Wanna invite me for any of those?
I did all the others in PUGs using Group Finder and HA!
Edited by Athory on March 30, 2026 4:15PM:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.1 -
twisttop138✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ordinator199 wrote: »To me its hilarious how basically all trial guilds that are not even competing to put up top scores are asking for meaningless 120k+ combat reports, wearing extra medium piece they won't wear in a trial and food they won't use. Like whats the point? If you are not looking to get into top x on leaderboard just let people play the way they want as long as they are staying alive and are not dealing subpar damage.
Those guilds ask for all that not because they actually need players with 120k or specific items like X, Y, Z. They do it mostly to gatekeep. They can only take 12 players, but the guild has 200 members.
Don’t take it personally—it’s just a way to keep some players out without breaking the “guild” image… lol, sure.
This is unimaginably incorrect. I'm almost baffled people think like this. Guild runs are first come first served. Your dps isn't a way to weed out players to keep some image. Do you hear yourself? So, if a guild asks for a 120k parse, that's pretty attainable in this subclassing world. Even with a 1 bar build. I know because I play with 2 amazing players who take the 1 bar build to its max. I've cleared countless things with them.
But that parse shows a minimum level of competency. It doesn't show how you'll perform in content, just that you know the basics of gear, champion points, rotation. Maybe even flanking, off balance etc. When we watch your parse, you may have some bad habits, and players are able to help you improve. I post parses to discord for this reason.
As for gear. A good raid lead makes a composition for the group. Today he might want dps in annsuls/tide born and tomorrow null arca/whatever. This helps fights go smoother, and helps players learn what is brought to which fights and why. I've also never taken off a roster because I couldn't bring XYZ gear. Even as a tank. The goal of these runs may be just to farm gear or have something to do, but often you will find many guilds who do vet runs are building to something. Getting players ready for harder content.
If all you see is gatekeeping than it's all you're gonna see. If you can't go into a setting where you're working with a team to achieve a goal and not make it all about you, then the problem might not be these terrible guilds and elitist gatekeeper raid leads. It might be you.4 -
HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
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I never said it was impossible. I'm just saying that they're not ready. If they are able to find people who can accommodate for their low damage output and make up for that difference, then it's not an issue.HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Trials have mechanics; they're not all damage-sponges. This is where the other player stats come in: skill and attitude. These are actually positively correlated to each other: if you have a good attitude, you're more willing to learn and practice not just rotations but also trial mechanics, and with practice comes higher player skill, which improves your raw damage numbers, your ability to deal with mechanics, and also your ability to deal damage while dealing with mechanics.
And so, in this day and age, with your claimed dps numbers of 175k+ on a trials dummy, an 80k parse takes so little effort (like 10% effort) to achieve. Why then, at 10% effort, would people not assume that they'd also put in no more than the same 10% effort into learning mechanics? To put it simply, if they are unwilling to put in the effort to improve their build and damage, then it would be safe to assume they would also be unwilling to put in the effort to learn each trial's mechanics.
Another thing you may find in some of these trials is that in quite a few of those fights, mechanics are on timers. What this means is that the less damage you deal, the longer the fight goes; the longer the fight goes, the more mechanics you have to deal with; the more mechanics you have to deal with, the less damage you deal. It's all a vicious cycle, and that's not even mentioning the increased chances of making mistakes due to prolonged fight times. Linear decreases in damage lead to an exponential increase in fight time and an increased risk of wiping.
Much in the same way that you have demonstrated that you are free to misinterpret my words, you are also free to assign your own value to them. I do not concern myself with people who do not put the effort into reading comprehension.Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.
Edited by HatchetHaro on March 30, 2026 4:24PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
20 Argonians
6x IR, 7x GH, 7x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained1 -
olda90✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.
You recall very bad my guy 100K DPS "peak" was already with Elsweyr chapter 7 years ago with update 22.
You just wrote a pack of BS and you do seem an authentic keyboard forum warrior.
And here we go. When we don’t have enough arguments, we enter the "let me insult you" zone, just to provoke, because that’s all you’ve got.
But let me tell you, I’m not the best player in the game with 1bar or 2bars. In fact, I’m just a casual player. And I know so many players better than me in Onebar and Twobars… oh boy!
Keyboard warrior? Not at all. Invite me @Zaan’s PC-EU and show me in-game what trial HM I can’t handle with HA. Show me!
If you roll with your pre-called group, I’ll go Twobars. If we go PUGs, I’ll go HA. Come and show me. @Zaan’s PC-EU
I don't need to show anything to a player that first makes sarcasm pretending to know it all and then when caught in his BS defends himself saying "im a casual player", but if you dont know evidently you cant do a vCR+3 with 1 bar HA build (bc of releq mech?) unless you are pretending 2 bar builds to carry you.1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hate bar swapping so I was thrilled when Oakensoul was introduced. But now for some reason there is a stigma attached to using it. The most logical answer I can see is to buff it so that it's comparable to 2 bar builds so we can all play how we enjoy.PCNA2 -
maryjane1412✭✭one thing people seem to forget to mention is that sustaining that 120k+ DPS is far from reality.
i have done nearly all trials on vet non HM exception for craglorn ones which all done on HM, and i can tell you this , not a single two bar player did the exact DPS numbers they had on a trial dummy and kept the DPS Consistency as accurate as one bar and HA builds.
Yes DPS Consistency matters the most , i don't care if you can do 200K+ on a dummy playing piano on your keyboard, what matters is can you hold these numbers in a real boss fight ?
HA Excels at that factor.
1 bar Excels at that factor
and to no surprise that's why arcanist and now DK's are dominating the trials as its an easy way to play a 2 button DD for non pianist players.
so why the hate ??? a beamer raid leader asking not to play one bar or HA while he is doing the EXACT BLOODY THING just wont admit it is beyond stupid.
let people play the way they want if they can deliver !!
and once again, there is not a single trial in the game that require 100K or even 90K Boss DPS from every DD to complete.Edited by maryjane1412 on March 30, 2026 4:21PM3 -
Athory✭✭✭"....
I don't need to show anything to a player that first makes sarcasm pretending to know it all and then when caught in his BS defends himself saying "im a casual player", but if you dont know evidently you cant do a vCR+3 with 1 bar HA build (bc of releq mech?) unless you are pretending 2 bar builds to carry you.
Oh boy… lol! You’re indeed so wrong, and you really don’t have a damn idea what you’re talking about. I can’t make VCR+3 in HA?
Just look at my title in-game — if I’m not mistaken, it says “Gryphon Heart.” Oh… lol! Oh boy…
Free tip:Maybe you’ll actually use it: just copy your front bar into the back bar, and voila!!! HA in any bar…
Of course, you don’t have absolutely anything to prove in-game, just in forums. Empty words, nonsense, and absolutely no idea what an HA can or can’t do. lol
So, I’m the Keyboard Warrior? Or… you’re?!
Edited by Athory on March 30, 2026 4:29PM:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.0 -
HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »Ah, let me queue into random with a dogwater build, aggro everything, do no damage, die, and then complain about bad healing. You are sure to love me then.
You asked for random, you take random, warts and all, right? If so, I wonder why the vote kick option exists.
When you went random, you said "I want a body in a particular role" and you got a body in a particular role. It might have been someone who really knew what they were doing or it might have been a pretty clueless newb using a skill advisor build. Either way, you got exactly what you asked for: a body.
Forming your own group? Be as picky as you'd like. I'd even cut some slack for the Activity Finder since it's mostly trying to help automate that process. But you take what you get and make the best of it when you say, "gimme a body."
As for the kick option, there are many things in ESO where I scratch my head and wonder why they're in the game. Perhaps they had some utility at some point in the past, but they're more hindrance than help in 2026 in many cases. But gatekeeping in randoms is very much akin to "I'm starving and need some food" and then complaining because you didn't get a nice ribeye.
I'm not sure what you're arguing here; I'm agreeing with you, and I'm ready to be that wart in the random dungeon queue. Let us all underperform together! Nothing bad will happen when we all underperform and fail to complete a dungeon together!
Edited by HatchetHaro on March 30, 2026 4:27PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
20 Argonians
6x IR, 7x GH, 7x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained3 -
Orbital78✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »I hate bar swapping so I was thrilled when Oakensoul was introduced. But now for some reason there is a stigma attached to using it. The most logical answer I can see is to buff it so that it's comparable to 2 bar builds so we can all play how we enjoy.
Oakensoul isn't the issue, it was the destro staff passives nerfing the cleave and the fact that most other weapon types don't synergize with heavy attacks the same. Since then, ZoS has also nerfed some of the class skills that gave passive buffs. One thing that would help is more sources of higher duration empower. I never understood why scribing didn't help out with that. most non-oakensoul heavy attack builds rely on spamming mages guild abilities which is only like 10 seconds of empower.1 -
HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"....
I don't need to show anything to a player that first makes sarcasm pretending to know it all and then when caught in his BS defends himself saying "im a casual player", but if you dont know evidently you cant do a vCR+3 with 1 bar HA build (bc of releq mech?) unless you are pretending 2 bar builds to carry you.
Oh boy… lol! You’re indeed so wrong, and you really don’t have a damn idea what you’re talking about. I can’t make VCR+3 in HA? Just look at my title in-game — if I’m not mistaken, it says “Gryphon Heart.” Oh… lol! Oh boy…
Free tip:Maybe you’ll actually use it: just copy your front bar into the back bar, and voila!!! HA in any bar…
Of course, you don’t have absolutely anything to prove in-game, just in forums. Empty words, nonsense, and absolutely no idea what an HA can or can’t do. lol
So, I’m the Keyboard Warrior? Or… you’re?!
So you got carried, big whoop. People usually pay for that.
Edited by HatchetHaro on March 30, 2026 4:33PMBest Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
20 Argonians
6x IR, 7x GH, 7x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained2 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What content actually needs or requires 100k+ DPS to complete? I don't mean "it makes it faster/easier" I mean "this content literally has checks that if you don't have at least 100k+ you won't complete it".
And then if someone can meet those requirements, does it matter what their build is? I've watched a number of one-bar builds the last few days because I wanted to try one (rotations with two bars have ALWAYS been really hard for me to keep up with for a number of reasons, the big one being I get overwhelmed and thrown off even simple rotations REALLY EASILY, frustratingly so, and no amount of 'practice' over the years has changed that) and those people seem to be easily hitting 120-140k.Edited by Arunei on March 30, 2026 4:35PMPC-NA | Been around since closed beta
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!
RP Characters:
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Vampire who really really REALLY likes likes learning Magick and also her Altmer husbando
Kaalhil Swiftstrike: Tiny shapeshifting monster hunter Bosmeri lady with enough sass to kill a dragon or ten
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Friendly healer with a coffee addiction and her own medical practice
Krisiel: Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things and is also a spy and ALSO a Werewolf
Niralae Elsinal: Young Altmeri woman with way too much Magicka and Vampire husbando
Slondor: TESified Slenderman, except lazier and has more of a thing for deals than Clavicus Vile does
Marius Vastino: Sarah's Imperial apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Lirawyn Calatare: Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Soliril Larethian: Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time0 -
Wizhunter✭✭✭I have 2 Bars but tend to use just the main. I don't think i have ever switched weapons during combat so i don't think i have any issues with 1 bar players. I will say i don't really do much group content so that might be why.0 -
olda90✭✭✭"....
I don't need to show anything to a player that first makes sarcasm pretending to know it all and then when caught in his BS defends himself saying "im a casual player", but if you dont know evidently you cant do a vCR+3 with 1 bar HA build (bc of releq mech?) unless you are pretending 2 bar builds to carry you.
Oh boy… lol! You’re indeed so wrong, and you really don’t have a damn idea what you’re talking about. I can’t make VCR+3 in HA? Just look at my title in-game — if I’m not mistaken, it says “Gryphon Heart.” Oh… lol! Oh boy…
Free tip:Maybe you’ll actually use it: just copy your front bar into the back bar, and voila!!! HA in any bar…
Of course, you don’t have absolutely anything to prove in-game, just in forums. Empty words, nonsense, and absolutely no idea what an HA can or can’t do. lol
So, I’m the Keyboard Warrior? Or… you’re?!
Do you actually know what is the relequen mechanic in vCR?
Titles mean nothing (especially a Gryphon Heart) as can be taken by paid (or non paid..) carry runs.
So seems you are pretending that with the 1 bar HA build you did SO HIGH DPS man to be able to skip the releq mech (or more realistically there was some player with a 2 bar build making it possible and carrying you).
Gratz, for sure it was becouse of your HA build in the group eventually.Edited by olda90 on March 30, 2026 4:45PM0 -
Athory✭✭✭
Words… nothing more than words!"...."HatchetHaro wrote: »"...."
And @HatchetHaro , if you’re the player I’m thinking of, we might have already done some trials together in pugs, right? No? If you are the player I’m thinking of, let me tell you, bro, you’re not that special either. lol! You may claim whatever you want on the forums, but in-game? Not anything impressive. And I’m just a casual player too. Everyone’s better than me, and I really don’t care.
What I do care about is: “Call me in-game and show me how good you are.”
If you’re not the person I’m thinking of… well, then I can’t say anything about you. But… how can you say I was carried if you don’t even know me? Hm.:: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
*** This guild is exclusively for players who prefer alternative playstyles such as Onebar builds, Heavy Attack builds (HA), or using items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul Ring. ***- Do you ever feel discouraged when you see “no HA players” or “no Oakensoul players” in Group Finder?
- Do you avoid joining groups because you're worried about being judged or kicked?
Then this is exactly where you belong.
*** We are building a group of players who simply want to enjoy the game, learn mechanics at their own pace, and improve naturally over time.
No pressure, no strict meta requirements, no 120k parses — just steady progress and clear understanding of mechanics.
Our goal is simple:
First we learn → then we become consistent → then we get faster → and when the group truly feels ready, we push into Hard Modes together.
*** Minimum requirement: CP800.
This ensures everyone has the baseline stats needed for HM content and helps us maintain a strong, capable team.
*** We value teamwork, respect, patience, and a positive attitude above all else.
Everyone is here to improve — no ego, no toxicity.
If you're looking for a guild where you can grow, feel comfortable, and still clear some of the hardest content ESO has to offer, this is your place."WE DON'T USE DISCORD!"
Recruitment Headline
*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.1 -
Soarora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭HatchetHaro wrote: »"....
80k is so incredibly far from top notch.maryjane1412 wrote: »My main is a one bar HA sorc, i did every trial in the game carrying my own weight as a DD.
Recently i noticed the hate towards one bar builds and HA. and i dont like it.
i had to leave a guild because they wont accept an 80K DD on their trials.
if a DD can carry his role just fine and perform top notch in PVE , what do people have against it ?
meanwhile arcanist is a 1 skill class and lets be fair and i dont see people complaining about it.
Normal trials are a very valid form of content, so good on you for completing all of them. But at 80k dps on a trials dummy, normal trials (and maybe vet craglorns) really is all you're actually ready to do.
What the hell?! Why not? Just because you say so?! If I recall correctly, DPS numbers have been roughly like this:
- U49 = 175k+ (peak ~180–185k)
- U48 = 160k+ (peak ~165–170k)
- U47 = 135k+ (peak ~140–145k)
- U46 = 125k+ (peak ~130–135k)
- U45 = 115k+ (peak ~120–125k)
- U44 = 110k+ (peak ~115–120k)
- U43 = 105k+ (peak ~110–115k)
- U42 = 100k+ (peak ~105–110k)
- U41 = 95k+ (peak ~100–105k)
- U40 = 90k+ (peak ~95–100k)
- U39 = 85k+ (peak ~90–95k)
- U38 = 80k+ (peak ~85–90k)
- U37 = 75k+ (peak ~80–85k)
- U36 = 70k+ (peak ~75–80k)
- U35 = 65k+ (peak ~70–75k)
If my numbers are off, please correct me.
Here’s the point: any build, literally any one-bar build, can parse 100k today. Anyone. And after U42, only vLC and vOC were released, right?
So why the hell is it impossible for someone to complete any HM trial with 80k +/- DPS? Just… why?!
Actually, it’s easier for casual 1bar players to maintain an 80k parse than it is for casual2bar players to keep just 70k.
Stop talking nonsense. I said it in my first post, and I’ll say it again: all your words are empty and mean absolutely nothing.
Peak was not 75k in U35. U35 buffed the trial dummy in such a way that, while some builds saw less damage, others saw more. And before U35? My ROLEPLAY bleed themed build was hitting 90k and my ROLEPLAY frost themed build was hitting 100k iirc. At the time, those were good numbers… but it was not peak. 75k was bad at the time. I joined in 2019 and I have never seen 65k be considered anything but terrible. My first parse, using a Xynode build incorrectly, was 55k.
Right now, 120k is becoming an increasingly common cutoff value, though it wasn’t unheard of before. Before, I recall a 100k cutoff. Before then, it might have been 80k. But I don’t recall seeing it any lower than that (edit: and reminder, those values are BEFORE the dummy got buffed).Edited by Soarora on March 30, 2026 4:42PM[PC/NA] Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS), Retired Trialist, and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore.- Current GM of Hard Dungeoneers
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I hate bar swapping so I was thrilled when Oakensoul was introduced. But now for some reason there is a stigma attached to using it. The most logical answer I can see is to buff it so that it's comparable to 2 bar builds so we can all play how we enjoy.
Oakensoul isn't the issue, it was the destro staff passives nerfing the cleave and the fact that most other weapon types don't synergize with heavy attacks the same. Since then, ZoS has also nerfed some of the class skills that gave passive buffs. One thing that would help is more sources of higher duration empower. I never understood why scribing didn't help out with that. most non-oakensoul heavy attack builds rely on spamming mages guild abilities which is only like 10 seconds of empower.
I probably have less understanding of how skills affect each other than most players here because theorycrafting makes my head explode. But I will never bar swap so even if Oakensoul isn't the issue why can't it be the solution?PCNA0 -
Athory✭✭✭Peak was not 75k in U35. U35 buffed the trial dummy in such a way that, while some builds saw less damage, others saw more. And before U35? My ROLEPLAY bleed themed build was hitting 90k and my ROLEPLAY frost themed build was hitting 100k iirc. At the time, those were good numbers… but it was not peak. 75k was bad at the time. I joined in 2019 and I have never seen 65k be considered anything but terrible. My first parse, using a Xynode build incorrectly, was 55k.
Right now, 120k is becoming an increasingly common cutoff value, though it wasn’t unheard of before. Before, I recall a 100k cutoff. Before then, it might have been 80k. But I don’t recall seeing it any lower than that (edit: and reminder, those values are BEFORE the dummy got buffed).
Ok, I could have been wrong about the DP, I made that table off the top of my head, didn’t look at logs or anything. But I still stand by my point: why can’t a group with 640k DPS complete any HM? (80k per player):: [Guild: Tamriel Order] :: Exclusively for players using One‑Bar / HA builds, or items like Rakkhat's Voidmantle or Oakensoul RingAbout UsIf you don’t want random players, then don’t ask for them. Build your roster on Discord — not on Group Finder.
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*** In this guild, we don’t care if you parse 70k less or 200k more than others.
We don’t care about numbers at all — what matters is handling mechanics:
exploding curses outside the group in vRG, swapping mirrors, doing assignments correctly, and keeping runs clean.
By around CP800, any player can reach ~60–70k DPS baseline, and that’s enough to complete almost any trial HM.
For trifectas, yes, we push DPS because of timers — but for Hard Modes, we take our time without pressure.
If you can handle mechanics, you’re welcome here. ***/!\"I have zero tolerance for toxicity regarding other players’ builds or DPS. If you don’t like someone’s setup for any reason, you’re free to leave the group. But if you choose to stay, then support others in every way you can." - @Zaan’s
Why this?I allways run GF to help others since I already have all trial items. But, I noticed: most groups are full of 2bar players doing lowers DPS then 1bar players, and RD keep gatekeeping 1bar players for no reason at all.
It made me realize I’ve been spending my time helping the wrong players. 2bar players don’t need my help, 1bar players need.0