Gold Cost Baazar prices are too high

twisttop138 · March 27

Destai wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

I’m a little underwhelmed with the Bazaar so far. The prices are a part of that, the inventory is another. I would really prefer cheaper prices and more rewards pulled from the vast inventory of crown crates and timed deals. Right now, seems like consumables and anniversary collectibles. Hopefully season 0 brings some fun goodies.

Honestly I said this before and folks said i was wrong lol. The system was never meant to actually remove Crown Store FOMO, that was a pipe dream and this result shows it.
The Bazaar is meant for unique missed rewards like login freebees, old event stuff, 1st year Chapter events, whatever those were called. Basically stuff not directly bought, but were still limited time in some fashion.

Maybe it was an unjustified hope on my part, but as a long term player, I already have most of the evergreen rewards. Now, I don't have every crown crate or apex mount or 13k house, despite having spent 1000s on this game already. It would've been amazing to have that loyalty rewarded in a new system.

Ultimately, I'm not surprised. When this system was announced, I was waiting for the other shoe to drop and we're starting to see the sole come down.

ganzaeso wrote: »

It would appear that that some are finding it acceptable to calculate the trade bars at maximum effort rather than considering those who want to take a break and may miss some days of play.

I personally am getting tired of having to play every day to get the maximum rewards from events. There needs to be a time to take breaks otherwise it is just more of the same FOMO with a different look.

So true. You've gotta do events if you want bars. So that means doing something daily that you may not want to do otherwise. Is the solution just granting the bars automatically during events? And just leaving the daily quests for other rewards? I dunno.

I'm fine doing one daily quest. Most of these events aren't very enjoyable to me anyways. But anything with an RNG tied to it, I won't do it. Sorry, they've shown me too many times how that pans out.

twisttop138 wrote: »

The takeaway is that this is a new system that has some cool stuff and we've had zero ways to earn the currency for it. That's a bummer, cause we see stuff we want. Some of the stuff seems a bit overpriced for sure, hopefully they're open on some of this pricing but I doubt it. But we will likely be getting a decent amount of the currency this year to get much of what we want. Time will tell.

I think they should've front-loaded people with some bars then. It's like crown crates - if you whet my appetite, I'll probably buy more. They didn't and the new system landed on a sour note. I just hope it matures well, better than the Seals system did, which always felt a little asymptotic.

So, I'm sure what Zos would tell you is that they are front loading, in that you'll go into jubilee the day times releases and the tomes itself will give you 9000 on the free track. I would say we still don't know how many tome points that 900 will cost or how fast we can accrue tome points. But jubilee and tomes should hopefully get you a couple big ticket items or many small items. I get what you're saying though. As for seals. I think seals was always going to be not in our favor because they didn't do them by choice and it actively takes money out of their pocket.

Thumbless_Bot · March 27

I didnt do a currency comparison but if someone has access to data it would be interesting.

For example, take some other currency and figure out how much time/effort it takes to purchase x woth that currency and then co.pare ot to bars.

alternatelder · March 27

Trying to gain enough bars to get the one Nord statue I missed because nobody knew it was going to be part of a set. At least the next event is soon after this one, I wouldn't be able to gain enough before the end of Jester's to get both the last fragment for the recall, and this statue and maybe something else before fomo kicks in again. 🙄

Right now it's off to a rough start.

wolfie1.0. · March 27

twisttop138 wrote: »

Skinny cheeks made a point to say that these are previously earned items (most) that they're making available to everyone to earn. That they should be hard to achieve out of respect to the players that had to earn them. Although I see the wisdom, I'm still pretty weirded out by some of the pricing. The sword singers redoubt for what is 100ish event tickets seems a little high considering it's big but it's mainly an open area with a couple rooms and a really cool cave but it's still just a cave. The telvanni house is beautiful, but for what amounts to 90ish event tickets, it's a small workshop and a room with a staircase that leads basically to nowhere. I can't decide if it's fair priced or not. Some of the other stuff, skill styles and costumes etc seem priced right. The music box as well.

@tomofhyrule makes a fair point though. To those of us playing regularly, come next year, we'll probably see posts complaints of not enough things to buy. We know that we will be able to use tome points to get 9000 trade bars if you so choose, in the free tier of the tomes. 1500 more in the paid. So if we're looking at, 3 seasons this year, 30000 bars from tomes alone (if that's what you wanna spend time points on) plus you can earn some in game outside of events, we're probably in pretty good shape and Toms prediction comes to pass. Now, it's fair to assume that the free tier of the tome will be less generous over time. Give it the soft touch when launched, then move to the hard sell. We don't know that ESO will do this, hell they could have the best battle pass in mmo gaming for all we know.

The takeaway is that this is a new system that has some cool stuff and we've had zero ways to earn the currency for it. That's a bummer, cause we see stuff we want. Some of the stuff seems a bit overpriced for sure, hopefully they're open on some of this pricing but I doubt it. But we will likely be getting a decent amount of the currency this year to get much of what we want. Time will tell.

Can I start complaining now about lack of things to buy?

Because the ONLY things that I can buy are the new skill styles, furnishings, consumables, and handful other items. Most of it i habe
.

twisttop138 · March 27

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Skinny cheeks made a point to say that these are previously earned items (most) that they're making available to everyone to earn. That they should be hard to achieve out of respect to the players that had to earn them. Although I see the wisdom, I'm still pretty weirded out by some of the pricing. The sword singers redoubt for what is 100ish event tickets seems a little high considering it's big but it's mainly an open area with a couple rooms and a really cool cave but it's still just a cave. The telvanni house is beautiful, but for what amounts to 90ish event tickets, it's a small workshop and a room with a staircase that leads basically to nowhere. I can't decide if it's fair priced or not. Some of the other stuff, skill styles and costumes etc seem priced right. The music box as well.

@tomofhyrule makes a fair point though. To those of us playing regularly, come next year, we'll probably see posts complaints of not enough things to buy. We know that we will be able to use tome points to get 9000 trade bars if you so choose, in the free tier of the tomes. 1500 more in the paid. So if we're looking at, 3 seasons this year, 30000 bars from tomes alone (if that's what you wanna spend time points on) plus you can earn some in game outside of events, we're probably in pretty good shape and Toms prediction comes to pass. Now, it's fair to assume that the free tier of the tome will be less generous over time. Give it the soft touch when launched, then move to the hard sell. We don't know that ESO will do this, hell they could have the best battle pass in mmo gaming for all we know.

The takeaway is that this is a new system that has some cool stuff and we've had zero ways to earn the currency for it. That's a bummer, cause we see stuff we want. Some of the stuff seems a bit overpriced for sure, hopefully they're open on some of this pricing but I doubt it. But we will likely be getting a decent amount of the currency this year to get much of what we want. Time will tell.

Can I start complaining now about lack of things to buy?

Because the ONLY things that I can buy are the new skill styles, furnishings, consumables, and handful other items. Most of it i habe
.

I too have a lot of it. I mostly see this as a catch up mechanic for new players but they are adding in new stuff too, if only a bit. It seemed like the stuff I don't have is all big ticket items unfortunately. 2 of the 3 houses, some of the mounts and of course the new stuff. People have been complaining of fomo for a long time. When they said they wanted to help stop fomo, I was surprised this is the route they took. Im sure it'll help a little with event fomo maybe but there's no guarantees that event stuff you have want will come to the bazaar. To be fair though, I would hope nobody took them seriously when they said they wanted to eliminate fomo.

I'm bummed with you bud. Hopefully you'll have some more offerings next Thursday.

whitecrow · March 27

I have almost everything already too.

FlameDark · March 27

The permanent items I dont have an issue being a high price. We have forever to get them all. NOW if the rotating ones that come in only per their season are this high... then I'll have a problem with it.

anadandy · March 27

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I didnt do a currency comparison but if someone has access to data it would be interesting.

For example, take some other currency and figure out how much time/effort it takes to purchase x woth that currency and then co.pare ot to bars.

Bear with me, because I'm not great at math. Event Tickets used to be sold for 250 crowns per. 1 event ticket = 100 trade bars (or thats what the conversion was at the switch). So would that make each trade bar worth 2.5 crowns?

Now my brain is tired. 🙃

madman65 · March 27

Absolutely agree with you OP. I looked at the prices and completely outrageous!

Thumbless_Bot · March 27

anadandy wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I didnt do a currency comparison but if someone has access to data it would be interesting.

For example, take some other currency and figure out how much time/effort it takes to purchase x woth that currency and then co.pare ot to bars.

Bear with me, because I'm not great at math. Event Tickets used to be sold for 250 crowns per. 1 event ticket = 100 trade bars (or thats what the conversion was at the switch). So would that make each trade bar worth 2.5 crowns?

Now my brain is tired. 🙃

This sounds right. Now, if you take most items of value, they are at least 2k bars or 5k crowns. Does it sound right that the music box is 5k crowns?

driosketch · March 27

There's probably a better way they could have introduced this, though I'm not sure. If they waited till Season 0 to open the bazaar, it might be hard for players to know what's permanent and what's seasonal. Yes I'm a long time player, and most of these are grayed out for me, (have to remind myself I have those 4 statutes). But I also have a baby account on another server, and saw a cosmetic I could grab just with trade bars from this event.

And that's the things, there will be other ways to earn trade bars. And it has to be at a reasonable rate as you can't buy them for crowns like tickets. Maybe they could have added some trade bars to the Golden Pursuit so at least players get it's not just event currency.

Destai · March 27

driosketch wrote: »

There's probably a better way they could have introduced this, though I'm not sure. If they waited till Season 0 to open the bazaar, it might be hard for players to know what's permanent and what's seasonal. Yes I'm a long time player, and most of these are grayed out for me, (have to remind myself I have those 4 statutes). But I also have a baby account on another server, and saw a cosmetic I could grab just with trade bars from this event.

And that's the things, there will be other ways to earn trade bars. And it has to be at a reasonable rate as you can't buy them for crowns like tickets. Maybe they could have added some trade bars to the Golden Pursuit so at least players get it's not just event currency.

It absolutely could have been introduced better. As a console player, when I open the Bazaar, the first screen I see is an ESO Plus screen. I can't do anything with that screen. Why is it even there? Instead, they should have two tabs - one for permanent rewards, another for seasonal rewards.

CameraBeardThePirate · March 27

I mean you're going to be able to get up to 9000 bars per season just from the free season pass alone, and an additional 1500 with the premium pass. I don't think the prices are all that outrageous with that in mind.

Add in a couple thousand here and there for each event and most people should have plenty of bars to get what they want.

freespirit · March 28

Mentioned above but worth repeating ...... you don't need to re-buy the pet each quarter, it's now one and done, that's an extra 4500 bars to spend over the year!

dcrush · March 28

freespirit wrote: »

Mentioned above but worth repeating ...... you don't need to re-buy the pet each quarter, it's now one and done, that's an extra 4500 bars to spend over the year!

Well, technically it’s 3000 because the pet fragments used to be 5 tickets (500 bars) but changed to 10 tickets (1000 bars).

Your point still stands though that over the year, if you wanted three or four event morphs you’re spending less. But if you only wanted one, it’s more expensive now. You break even at two morphs.

JHartEllis · March 28

My concern is that between the seasonal Bazaar options and new items from the Impresario, newer players will have a hard time making much of a dent in the older wares, and that would make the whole thing continue to feel FOMOish.

I'm hoping there will be a few farmable options for those that want to try to catch up a bit more aggressively (or vet players that want an ogrim army!). I'd really like if there were a few currency exchanges such as turning in Undaunted Keys for Trade Bars and/or Archival Fortunes for Trade Bars. That would add a lot of replay value to current content.

Personofsecrets · March 28

At least there are older items for players who may have missed them. And for the players who complained about exclusivity (as if anyone really has clout in this game due to their collectibles) the higher prices do keep consistent players on a pedestal.

It's hard to say how much the trade bar costs matter until we live with them for a while. I've ended almost every in game event with 10 or more event tickets and there are a number of events where I miss tickets, but am still at a heavy surplus. I think I didn't do 80% of the days of the last new life festival just because there wasn't really a reason too.

With that idea of surplus in mind, hopefully we will find the trade bar system to be okay and something that gives non-legacy players some cool stuff too.

spartaxoxo · March 28

freespirit wrote: »

Mentioned above but worth repeating ...... you don't need to re-buy the pet each quarter, it's now one and done, that's an extra 4500 bars to spend over the year!

That's enough to save for the horse in just 2 years, assuming you don't get any seasonal items.

wolfie1.0. · March 28

twisttop138 wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Skinny cheeks made a point to say that these are previously earned items (most) that they're making available to everyone to earn. That they should be hard to achieve out of respect to the players that had to earn them. Although I see the wisdom, I'm still pretty weirded out by some of the pricing. The sword singers redoubt for what is 100ish event tickets seems a little high considering it's big but it's mainly an open area with a couple rooms and a really cool cave but it's still just a cave. The telvanni house is beautiful, but for what amounts to 90ish event tickets, it's a small workshop and a room with a staircase that leads basically to nowhere. I can't decide if it's fair priced or not. Some of the other stuff, skill styles and costumes etc seem priced right. The music box as well.

@tomofhyrule makes a fair point though. To those of us playing regularly, come next year, we'll probably see posts complaints of not enough things to buy. We know that we will be able to use tome points to get 9000 trade bars if you so choose, in the free tier of the tomes. 1500 more in the paid. So if we're looking at, 3 seasons this year, 30000 bars from tomes alone (if that's what you wanna spend time points on) plus you can earn some in game outside of events, we're probably in pretty good shape and Toms prediction comes to pass. Now, it's fair to assume that the free tier of the tome will be less generous over time. Give it the soft touch when launched, then move to the hard sell. We don't know that ESO will do this, hell they could have the best battle pass in mmo gaming for all we know.

The takeaway is that this is a new system that has some cool stuff and we've had zero ways to earn the currency for it. That's a bummer, cause we see stuff we want. Some of the stuff seems a bit overpriced for sure, hopefully they're open on some of this pricing but I doubt it. But we will likely be getting a decent amount of the currency this year to get much of what we want. Time will tell.

Can I start complaining now about lack of things to buy?

Because the ONLY things that I can buy are the new skill styles, furnishings, consumables, and handful other items. Most of it i habe
.

I too have a lot of it. I mostly see this as a catch up mechanic for new players but they are adding in new stuff too, if only a bit. It seemed like the stuff I don't have is all big ticket items unfortunately. 2 of the 3 houses, some of the mounts and of course the new stuff. People have been complaining of fomo for a long time. When they said they wanted to help stop fomo, I was surprised this is the route they took. Im sure it'll help a little with event fomo maybe but there's no guarantees that event stuff you have want will come to the bazaar. To be fair though, I would hope nobody took them seriously when they said they wanted to eliminate fomo.

I'm bummed with you bud. Hopefully you'll have some more offerings next Thursday.

Im not too sad about it. There was a bit of jest in the.post I made.

It just means that im not under any current pressure to get trade bars.

Im at the point where im either going to get stuff just to collect it... or collect stuff only if im going to use it. Not sure which.

robwolf666 · March 28

I agree that the prices in the Bazaar are too high (for some things) - but on the flipside, I already have a lot of the stuff that's in the Bazaar right now, and nothing else really catches my eye yet, except the Chaos Ball, so I'm just using what I have over the Jester's Event to get that vampire-looking recall, then I'll save like mad and wait for something I like in the Bazaar.

Thumbless_Bot · March 28

robwolf666 wrote: »

I agree that the prices in the Bazaar are too high (for some things) - but on the flipside, I already have a lot of the stuff that's in the Bazaar right now, and nothing else really catches my eye yet, except the Chaos Ball, so I'm just using what I have over the Jester's Event to get that vampire-looking recall, then I'll save like mad and wait for something I like in the Bazaar.

100% agree and I think this is the point. It would be nice to know if prices are up or down relative to previous currencies, ut reay not a big deal.

Kallykat · March 28

I also have most of what's at the bazaar now, but I'm perfectly happy with that. I'm missing a few pets and furnishings and the new skill styles, and it will take me a little time to get them, considering there are also event items and nonseasonal bazaar items that will be added throughout the year.

I've seen several people mention bazaar house prices. As a point of comparison, we had other player houses sold for event tickets in the past. The Doomchar Plateau, Haven of the Five Companions, and Wildgrown Chapel of Julianos each cost: 3 pet fragments x 5 tickets + 5 house fragments x 10 tickets, which equals 65 tickets, the equivalent of 6,500 trade bars. The plateau is just a plot, but the haven and chapel are fairly equivalent to the homes currently buyable at the bazaar, in my opinion, so yes, I'd say they are a little on the pricey side by the above calculations.

If we try to compare this to crown prices using the former cost of 250 crowns per ticket, that means the 65-ticket homes would be worth 16,250 crowns, by the way. I'm just throwing this out there. Let me know if it makes sense or if my calculations are off.

lillybit · March 28

dcrush wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

Mentioned above but worth repeating ...... you don't need to re-buy the pet each quarter, it's now one and done, that's an extra 4500 bars to spend over the year!

Well, technically it’s 3000 because the pet fragments used to be 5 tickets (500 bars) but changed to 10 tickets (1000 bars).

Your point still stands though that over the year, if you wanted three or four event morphs you’re spending less. But if you only wanted one, it’s more expensive now. You break even at two morphs.

Technically you break even after just one morph. You would've used up the pet and had to buy it again before you get to the second, so just getting the pet and first morph costs the same

I'm not finding things too different to the old ticket prices, but I have most of the old stuff so maybe didn't look at the things that were higher

Arunei · March 28

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I mean you're going to be able to get up to 9000 bars per season just from the free season pass alone, and an additional 1500 with the premium pass. I don't think the prices are all that outrageous with that in mind.

Add in a couple thousand here and there for each event and most people should have plenty of bars to get what they want.

Nothing I'm aware of has said every Season will reward 9k Bars, only that THIS Season will. It may be more or less from Season to Season.

I still think it's entirely possible they may give Bars out as rewards for certain activities after the team gets a feel for prices and the like, though. Something like 200 Bars for your first Daily Randon Dungeon and then 100 for every after, 50 in Rewards of the Worthy, 500 for Weekly Leaderboard stuff, 250 for clearing solo Arenas like Maelstrom, 25 for Master Crafting/Holiday writs, things like that. It gives more sources without the rates you can earn being through the roof, and would provide people with a variety of means to have something they do to get more Bars (PvP, PvE, crafting, Leaderboard chasers, etc).

katanagirl1 · March 28

Personofsecrets wrote: »

At least there are older items for players who may have missed them. And for the players who complained about exclusivity (as if anyone really has clout in this game due to their collectibles) the higher prices do keep consistent players on a pedestal.

It's hard to say how much the trade bar costs matter until we live with them for a while. I've ended almost every in game event with 10 or more event tickets and there are a number of events where I miss tickets, but am still at a heavy surplus. I think I didn't do 80% of the days of the last new life festival just because there wasn't really a reason too.

With that idea of surplus in mind, hopefully we will find the trade bar system to be okay and something that gives non-legacy players some cool stuff too.

That’s something I had not thought about until you mentioned it. I usually stop early during New Life festival because I don’t need tickets. I keep up with events throughout the year, now I don’t have to, but if I want to I can earn extra during that New Life timeframe to stock up for the next year. It’s self-induced non-causal future potential fomo now I guess, lol.

I have most of the static bazaar offerings, there are a few I would like to have, but I’m okay with not being able to buy everything at the start. It gives me a goal to achieve later on and look forward to.

twisttop138 · March 30

Arunei wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I mean you're going to be able to get up to 9000 bars per season just from the free season pass alone, and an additional 1500 with the premium pass. I don't think the prices are all that outrageous with that in mind.

Add in a couple thousand here and there for each event and most people should have plenty of bars to get what they want.

Nothing I'm aware of has said every Season will reward 9k Bars, only that THIS Season will. It may be more or less from Season to Season.

I still think it's entirely possible they may give Bars out as rewards for certain activities after the team gets a feel for prices and the like, though. Something like 200 Bars for your first Daily Randon Dungeon and then 100 for every after, 50 in Rewards of the Worthy, 500 for Weekly Leaderboard stuff, 250 for clearing solo Arenas like Maelstrom, 25 for Master Crafting/Holiday writs, things like that. It gives more sources without the rates you can earn being through the roof, and would provide people with a variety of means to have something they do to get more Bars (PvP, PvE, crafting, Leaderboard chasers, etc).

This is worth repeating. No one has promised us 40k trade bars a year (regular years will have 4 seasons) or 30k this year. It's in ZOS's best interest to make the initial offerings more generous to have tomes have high initial engagement. Most MMOs with a battle pass becomes less generous over time, we'll just have to wait and see.

It's also worth noting that there is a total of 10,500 bars on offer this season but only if you prioritize getting them. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here. From what I was able to see from videos and write ups from pts, Zos has adapted some of the fallout 76 system. You will have daily or weekly tasks to earn battle pass xp which will level up your pass. The level ups will award tome points and unlock pages of things you can use your points to purchase. So if you want bars, you will need to prioritize them over other things you may want depending on your available tome points so while they will be available to purchase, not everyone will be guaranteed them.

AllenaNightWood · March 30

i dont think the value on everything is horrible then some things are outlandisly high for what it is then there is the stuff that we had to earn through events like the statues and the dragon hoard which should be held to a higher value as to not diminish to those to earned it

zaria · March 30

For me it was more an lack of stuff to buy. Looks like I have most of them.

lillybit · March 30

zaria wrote: »

For me it was more an lack of stuff to buy. Looks like I have most of them.

They said right from the start the point was to bring back old collectables, so was always going to be less for long term players. I'm totally fine with that and just happy to see a few unique items added to it too. It'll be nice to be able to save bars towards future rewards and multiples of the unique furnishings. Looking forward to see what's added with Season 0