Crafter's Celebration or other event best Master Writs?

ellmarie · March 27

Is there going to be a Crafter's Celebration again or anything this year that I should be waiting to do all my master writs? Last crafters was 2024.

scrappy1342 · March 27

there's zenithar, which they have done every year since they put it, but they changed it after the first year. the first time, you got rewarded for doing all your master writs. no limit. after that, they changed it so you only got the extra rewards for doing the first one of each prof per day. i can't remember if it was per toon or per account.

SkaiFaith · March 27

Please OP don't burn your master writs on my word, but I remember reading on PTS notes the last time crafting celebration was tested that ONLY master writs found during said celebration will give double vouchers. All previously accumulated master writs will still give the standard value. That's why I did all the master writs I had without waiting the event. BUT I repeat - don't take my word for it; I don't want you to put a bounty on my head if this turns out to be false somehow.

DenverRalphy · March 27

The crafters celebration was skipped last year. It was never stated why, but it's likely because shortly beforehand, sealed master writs were introduced to provide stackable writs. The problem with that though, is that since master writs themselves are generated at the time the envelope is unsealed, there's no way to limit the double writ vouchers to only writs generated during the event. The number of double voucher master writs would be astronomical.

lillybit · March 27

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Please OP don't burn your master writs on my word, but I remember reading on PTS notes the last time crafting celebration was tested that ONLY master writs found during said celebration will give double vouchers. All previously accumulated master writs will still give the standard value. That's why I did all the master writs I had without waiting the event. BUT I repeat - don't take my word for it; I don't want you to put a bounty on my head if this turns out to be false somehow.

That's 100% how it worked last time, just ones that dropped during were double.

You'll be better off doing them in double xp events. It's been great for levelling subclassing (yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but don't do much group content!)

DenverRalphy · March 28

lillybit wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Please OP don't burn your master writs on my word, but I remember reading on PTS notes the last time crafting celebration was tested that ONLY master writs found during said celebration will give double vouchers. All previously accumulated master writs will still give the standard value. That's why I did all the master writs I had without waiting the event. BUT I repeat - don't take my word for it; I don't want you to put a bounty on my head if this turns out to be false somehow.

That's 100% how it worked last time, just ones that dropped during were double.

You'll be better off doing them in double xp events. It's been great for levelling subclassing (yeah I know I'm a bit late to the party but don't do much group content!)

It works out to your benefit anyway if you still need to level subclass skill lines. Because now the back bar awards xp as well. So you can level 2 full subclass skill lines at the same time with no extra overhead.

jad11mumbler · March 28

scrappy1342 wrote: »

the first time, you got rewarded for doing all your master writs. no limit. after that, they changed it so you only got the extra rewards for doing the first one of each prof per day. i can't remember if it was per toon or per account.

I did thousands of master writs during that first event and honestly..the rewards weren't great.

Still, more rewards than if they were done outside of the event.

Not that it matters now.

ellmarie · March 28

Oh, thanks everybody!!! Just knowing my luck, I will do them all and then they'll announce some event that I could have earned blah blah blah. But sounds like even if an event happened it wouldn't affect the ones I have now. Thanks for all the insightfulness.

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Please OP don't burn your master writs on my word, but I remember reading on PTS notes the last time crafting celebration was tested that ONLY master writs found during said celebration will give double vouchers. All previously accumulated master writs will still give the standard value. That's why I did all the master writs I had without waiting the event. BUT I repeat - don't take my word for it; I don't want you to put a bounty on my head if this turns out to be false somehow.

lol, I promise I won't

Zodiarkslayer · March 29

Crafter Celebration/Zeal of Zenithar is a *** concept, because it disproportionately rewards players that are already good crafter's, instead of motivating players to get into crafting. And I think that realisation has hit home after the last Zeal event in 2024. I sure hope it did.

While it is a small issue with consumables (rare or expensive ingredients), the big one is the motifs and traits of durables, really. Unless you had made the grinds to research all traits and had farmed a large amount of motifs, a player just couldn't get anything out of that event, except the tickets and selling master writs.

For me, it was maddeningly frustrating when I couldn't craft every second master writ, because I didn't know the motif. And I am a Grand Master Crafter with, now, over 80 fully known styles. Even reminiscing about the Zeal still makes me angry.

This game would be better off without the Zeal, unless they restructure it to incentivize players getting into crafting.

DenverRalphy · March 29

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Crafter Celebration/Zeal of Zenithar is a *** concept, because it disproportionately rewards players that are already good crafter's, instead of motivating players to get into crafting. And I think that realisation has hit home after the last Zeal event in 2024. I sure hope it did.

While it is a small issue with consumables (rare or expensive ingredients), the big one is the motifs and traits of durables, really. Unless you had made the grinds to research all traits and had farmed a large amount of motifs, a player just couldn't get anything out of that event, except the tickets and selling master writs.

For me, it was maddeningly frustrating when I couldn't craft every second master writ, because I didn't know the motif. And I am a Grand Master Crafter with, now, over 80 fully known styles. Even reminiscing about the Zeal still makes me angry.

This game would be better off without the Zeal, unless they restructure it to incentivize players getting into crafting.

While I recognize the frustration where this is coming from, removing or changing the event would not be the solution. Crafters have worked long and hard to build up their motif knowledge, and there's no reason they shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts. The problem isn't the event, but the ever increasing list of motifs the master writs can draw from. Every new chapter over the last decade added more and more motifs to the mix.

That being said.. I believe the better solution should be to start retiring older motifs from the pool master writs can draw from (and perhaps the drop rate mechanic). Along with that, retired motifs should increase the drop rate of the entire book akin to the base game purple racial motifs. Leaving a more reasonable pool of motifs to draw from when generating master writs. This would keep the hunt alive for chasing the newer unlearned motifs, and reduce the angst derived from sifting through an ocean of motifs to find one the player can successfully complete.

katanagirl1 · March 29

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Crafter Celebration/Zeal of Zenithar is a *** concept, because it disproportionately rewards players that are already good crafter's, instead of motivating players to get into crafting. And I think that realisation has hit home after the last Zeal event in 2024. I sure hope it did.

While it is a small issue with consumables (rare or expensive ingredients), the big one is the motifs and traits of durables, really. Unless you had made the grinds to research all traits and had farmed a large amount of motifs, a player just couldn't get anything out of that event, except the tickets and selling master writs.

For me, it was maddeningly frustrating when I couldn't craft every second master writ, because I didn't know the motif. And I am a Grand Master Crafter with, now, over 80 fully known styles. Even reminiscing about the Zeal still makes me angry.

This game would be better off without the Zeal, unless they restructure it to incentivize players getting into crafting.

While I recognize the frustration where this is coming from, removing or changing the event would not be the solution. Crafters have worked long and hard to build up their motif knowledge, and there's no reason they shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts. The problem isn't the event, but the ever increasing list of motifs the master writs can draw from. Every new chapter over the last decade added more and more motifs to the mix.

That being said.. I believe the better solution should be to start retiring older motifs from the pool master writs can draw from (and perhaps the drop rate mechanic). Along with that, retired motifs should increase the drop rate of the entire book akin to the base game purple racial motifs. Leaving a more reasonable pool of motifs to draw from when generating master writs. This would keep the hunt alive for chasing the newer unlearned motifs, and reduce the angst derived from sifting through an ocean of motifs to find one the player can successfully complete.

I’m not sure I would want the older motifs to be removed from master writs, those are the ones more likely for newer players to know (or are easily and cheaply obtained) and I like to do them just for XP each day or for longer term generation of vouchers that are cheap to make.

EDIT: typo

Techwolf_Lupindo · March 30

First year of Zenithar, accounts got banned due to transmute crafting reduction. That got removed.

Master writs bonus was reduced to ones generated during event.

Other stuff removed or changed that I can't remember off the top of my paw.

The lore really does not make sense due to removal of event features, see above.

rockDokRock · March 30

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Crafter Celebration/Zeal of Zenithar is a *** concept, because it disproportionately rewards players that are already good crafter's, instead of motivating players to get into crafting. And I think that realisation has hit home after the last Zeal event in 2024. I sure hope it did.

So, sort of like any PvP event (rewards players into it already, new ones.... forget it).

It's ok, I just skip the PvP events and don't bother. Not every event is for you. It takes *time* to get into crafting just like it does PvP so I see no problem rewarding those who have put the time/effort into it. Just like PvP. I found it annoying at first (just getting smashed) but it's obviously not for me and its' putting lots of time/effort into figuring PvP out (grinding new sets, figuring out new builds) which I just can't be bothered to do. Fair enough. Crafting I enjoy and I've worked hard to know about 70% of the montifs and collect loads of ingredients. Ya, I'd like to see an event where I can do something with that.

katanagirl1 · March 30

The research times have been drastically reduced now, so it’s never been a better time to get into crafting. You also don’t need any trait knowledge to do daily crafting writs.