Why I Don't Buy Undaunted Citations Anymore

TiberiusZolcor · March 23

Before Update 49 hit the game I was used to seeing Undaunted Citations being sold for roughly 20,000 to about 25,000 gold. Now it seems more than a few players have become very greedy, and are charging as high as 400,000 gold for just a single Undaunted Citation in their Guild Traders. Because of this I don't want to buy Citations in order to let them know I wont give in to their greed, or whatever is driving them to make these overpriced prices. The old way seemed more reasonable.

DenverRalphy · March 23

All the surplus citations generated during the event that dropped them like candy have been purchased and consumed.

Supply and demand. <shrug> It is what it is. Dunno I'd call it greedy. Prices only go as high as players are willing to pay.

spartaxoxo · March 23

DenverRalphy wrote: »

All the surplus citations generated during the event that dropped them like candy have been purchased and consumed.

Supply and demand. <shrug> It is what it is. Dunno I'd call it greedy. Prices only go as high as players are willing to pay.

Aren't undaunted citations from undaunted dailies that are permanently available?

DenverRalphy · March 23

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

All the surplus citations generated during the event that dropped them like candy have been purchased and consumed.

Supply and demand. <shrug> It is what it is. Dunno I'd call it greedy. Prices only go as high as players are willing to pay.

Aren't undaunted citations from undaunted dailies that are permanently available?

Yep.They still drop (uncommon/rare) from Bolgrun's undaunted daily. The market got flooded with them during the recent Heart's Week event driving prices down. That surplus has pretty much run its course now.

SaffronCitrusflower · March 23

It takes 5 minutes to do a quest from Bolgrun. So I never understood why these sold for even 25k.

spartaxoxo · March 23

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

All the surplus citations generated during the event that dropped them like candy have been purchased and consumed.

Supply and demand. <shrug> It is what it is. Dunno I'd call it greedy. Prices only go as high as players are willing to pay.

Aren't undaunted citations from undaunted dailies that are permanently available?

Yep.They still drop (uncommon/rare) from Bolgrun's undaunted daily. The market got flooded with them during the recent Heart's Week event driving prices down. That surplus has pretty much run its course now.

Sure, but the market should return to a price that's closer to the previous value not drastically higher. It seems more likely that sellers are taking advantage of the release of new citation types during Heart's Week, knowingly or unknowingly. People may simply not realize that they are not an event item and think they should be the same value as the event items.

Soarora · March 23

I think I just put some up for sale yesterday for 20k, which is what TTC suggested.

Orbital78 · March 23

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

It takes 5 minutes to do a quest from Bolgrun. So I never understood why these sold for even 25k.

Supply and demand, some want to be power leveled through everything. Pay the price or put in the effort, it's on you.

Put a taunt or heal on your bar and have an addon queue for missing dungeon quests and pretend to be a support for awhile. It goes fairly quickly on normal.

DenverRalphy · March 24

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

All the surplus citations generated during the event that dropped them like candy have been purchased and consumed.

Supply and demand. <shrug> It is what it is. Dunno I'd call it greedy. Prices only go as high as players are willing to pay.

Aren't undaunted citations from undaunted dailies that are permanently available?

Yep.They still drop (uncommon/rare) from Bolgrun's undaunted daily. The market got flooded with them during the recent Heart's Week event driving prices down. That surplus has pretty much run its course now.

Sure, but the market should return to a price that's closer to the previous value not drastically higher. It seems more likely that sellers are taking advantage of the release of new citation types during Heart's Week, knowingly or unknowingly. People may simply not realize that they are not an event item and think they should be the same value as the event items.

The price was high before the event too. The supply is just usually incredibly low because the citations don't drop regularly as it is, and once players get the skill line leveled up they stop running undaunted dailies altogether to generate more. The demand might be slightly higher at the moment because eveybody's rolliing up new DK toons, thus increasing the demand. But that too will eventually self correct as well. Then perhaps another spike when the Warden refresh drops.

Morvan · March 24

Very curious about where you've seen those prices, it's around 35-60k on PC/NA.

DenverRalphy · March 24

Morvan wrote: »

Very curious about where you've seen those prices, it's around 35-60k on PC/NA.
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On PSNA it was in the 30k-ish range before the Heart's Week event. It dipped down to around 5k-10k-ish during the event. The first couple of days after the DK refresh all the cheapest ones were gobbled up bringing it back up to around 25k last I looked yesterday since I have some left over from the event (yes I saved them for just such an occasion). A shopper might stumble across one or two 100k-400k listings, but those are outliers that only a fool would buy.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · March 24

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

LootAllTheStuff · March 24

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Morvan wrote: »

Very curious about where you've seen those prices, it's around 35-60k on PC/NA.
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On PSNA it was in the 30k-ish range before the Heart's Week event. It dipped down to around 5k-10k-ish during the event. The first couple of days after the DK refresh all the cheapest ones were gobbled up bringing it back up to around 25k last I looked yesterday since I have some left over from the event (yes I saved them for just such an occasion). A shopper might stumble across one or two 100k-400k listings, but those are outliers that only a fool would buy.

I occasionally see some really eye-watering prices on XB-NA, like 100k for an unidentified writ, and have often wondered why. It did occur to me that someone might want to use a GT as temporary storage: set the price high enough, and either no-one's ever going to buy it, or someone does and the profit is more than enough to simply not care. :shrugs:

DenverRalphy · March 24

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

freespirit · March 24

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

scrappy1342 · March 24

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

works not only on character/cp level, but also skills, hence the comment about subclassing specifically

DenverRalphy · March 24

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

Okay yeah, I overlooked that point (especially strange too as that was how I leveled up all my subclassed skill lines). But even still, the point still stands. It wasn't a cabal of billionaire guild traders artificially inflating the price as the person I was replying to alleged. It was simple supply and demand economics.

Necrotech_Master · March 25

ive never used any of the citations, especially for undaunted, its so much faster leveling undaunted just running pledges lol

spartaxoxo · March 25

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

Okay yeah, I overlooked that point (especially strange too as that was how I leveled up all my subclassed skill lines). But even still, the point still stands. It wasn't a cabal of billionaire guild traders artificially inflating the price as the person I was replying to alleged. It was simple supply and demand economics.

The OP wasn't talking about 25-30k listings but rather the 400k+ listings, which is definitely people taking advantage of the event wittingly or unwittingly.

DenverRalphy · March 25

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

Okay yeah, I overlooked that point (especially strange too as that was how I leveled up all my subclassed skill lines). But even still, the point still stands. It wasn't a cabal of billionaire guild traders artificially inflating the price as the person I was replying to alleged. It was simple supply and demand economics.

The OP wasn't talking about 25-30k listings but rather the 400k+ listings, which is definitely people taking advantage of the event wittingly or unwittingly.

Oh I'm aware. I just refrained from placing a spotlight on the point that 400k+ listings are just extreme outliers and not the average listing price like the original post was making it out to be.

spartaxoxo · March 25

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Definitely not worth buying those. Trading guilds don't like it when I say we need a world trader. We need a world trader! The billionaires who have have a billion gold on 60 characters and had farming bots for 10 years control the guild traders. Everyone else doesn't have 10 years to catch up to that. The economy will be something they have to address with cross-platform. Another latest example is how they raised the writ prices because we were forced into Subclass. Or most recently with the skill exp boost recently. Writ prices more than double what they were before.

I'm not seeing the correlation betweeen subclassing and the price of writs in the traders. Nor with skill xp boosts and writs. They don't go hand in hand.

The increase in writ prices is likely due to the incredibly significant reduction in trait research times, so more characters are rapidly becoming capable of completing a wider variety of master writs than they could before. The cheaper writs are being bought up and consumed faster, leaving the higher priced writs behind. But this will self correct too.. because as a result, all those crafters will now be generating master writs at a faster rate. So the supply of master writs will once again increase on the traders, driving the prices back down. At that point, they may very well fall to an all time low and stay there until some other change in the game comes to pass.

And FWIW, the price of writs on the traders is nowhere near as high as they used to me.

Ofc they go hand in hand Master Writs give high xp, even more so during increased xp events.

Do your writs, add another xp boost such as a scroll or pot, hand them in, watch every skill on your active bar level enormously, brilliant to level subclassed skills!!

I always save mine to either use or sell during such events, cp gain is great too.... they literally fly out the door currently!

Okay yeah, I overlooked that point (especially strange too as that was how I leveled up all my subclassed skill lines). But even still, the point still stands. It wasn't a cabal of billionaire guild traders artificially inflating the price as the person I was replying to alleged. It was simple supply and demand economics.

The OP wasn't talking about 25-30k listings but rather the 400k+ listings, which is definitely people taking advantage of the event wittingly or unwittingly.

Oh I'm aware. I just refrained from placing a spotlight on the point that 400k+ listings are just extreme outliers and not the average listing price like the original post was making it out to be.

Yeah, but the OP also mentioned that 25k was the price they were expecting to pay. IDK what server OP is on, so I can't say what prices they're seeing everywhere. But I know that prices are not drastically different to what they were before the event on our server because they did what you'd expect them to do with normal market activity. If the OP can no longer find listings for 25k despite that being the previous price on their server and now all the prices are drastically higher, that would indeed point to being a side effect of people taking advantage of the event. Again, they may not know that. It may just be a few people managed to sell insane listings driving the average up, and then everyone just copied the new average from an add-on.

But the event would be how someone got away with that. Those items will either not sell and the market will return to normal. Or they will and if people are willing to pay then I guess that's market price on that server now.