Please stop making me bring specific subclasses in content

Brossin · March 11

So I know it's likely a touchy thing for a support to bring up being forced to run specific subclasses with the historical state of the meta being pretty much green beams everywhere, but here we go. I was hoping for some sort of change with the DK changes, but there were some pretty questionable changes to tanking subclasses that were made in 49, none of which address this issue. The issue that I'm referring to is me having to bring Winter's Embrace in ANY 4 man hard content.

Why? Because subclassing set the meta up to chase maximum dps and forego all defensive skill lines. Now I get the need to juice dps where possible, I don't blame the community for this. The problem in my opinion is Frost Cloak brings AOE Major Resolve, which is something that no other source in the game has other than a subpar 5 piece set bonus that you can't rely on for uptime, which means that it's a skill line that I 100% have to factor into my build for 4 man content. This was less of a problem prior to subclassing because regardless, the dps and heals had access to those skills because the skill lines were forced onto them. At that point it was literally just spend the 2 skill points in different skill that gives Major Resolve. Why not just make all skill based sources of Major Resolve AOE and just give Frost Cloak another boon to replace it? I do like the subclass as it's pretty stout, i'm just tired of having to build everything around it non-stop.

ESO_Nightingale · March 11

Tbh i dont think this is going to be as big of a problem. In the future. Given how volatile armor was reworked. It seems like theyre going the route of making the armor buffs good for dps gain. I wholeheartedly believe frost cloak is gonna have some work done to it to make it have a dps component.

tsaescishoeshiner · March 13

You don't need full group Major Resolve for 4-man content. Not even Challenger achieves. I'm sure it's nice for trifectas, but I've definitely seen groups run without it. Not sure where the imperative to run group Major Resolve is coming from, because as strong of a buff as it is, many DPS and even healer builds didn't user their class Major Resolve skill pre-subclassing.

That said, it's nice of you to provide it. It's a unique feature of that class like, like Arcanist's damage shield buffs or Green Balance's Minor Toughness.

Soarora · March 13

I feel your pain. I do wish there was another way to give major resolve, so hopefully Nightingale is right and dps will want to use their major resolve skill again. Before subclassing, it was just the same problem except having a warden healer.

That said, as nice of a buff as it is (and I do hope it gets… resolved… hahaha), you don’t HAVE to run winters right now if you don’t want to. If you want to be meta, then yeah, well, it’s also run for the chilled procs for minor brittle. But you don’t need to run current meta for dungeons unless you’re speedrunning. I made my core healers run 2 warden lines because I still pure class tank and when I run with guild members (whether 3 dps or with healer) they just deal with not having support-sourced major resolve.

Prioritize what you find fun, this is a video game after all.

Hotdog_23 · March 13

Really wish they would put major resolve in a scribing ability that last 20-30 seconds at least.

Stay safe

Major_Toughness · March 13

You're not forced to do anything. No one but a tank needs Major Resolve anyway.