BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Idk what yall are on, the skills look amazing, people on the forums are always so dang negative.

I don’t really mind the new DK ones but, to me, the new 2H animations look like something out of a He-Man cartoon. Perhaps they appeal to people who would normally be playing WOW but I prefer my ESO with a bit less cartoony flashy stuff. Then again, that went out the door with arcanist I guess.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Idk what yall are on, the skills look amazing, people on the forums are always so dang negative.

I'm not "people on the forums", I'm people on the game who has played for many thousands of hours, and yesterday I not only removed all of my dragonknigt skills, but I decided never to play PVP in this game again. Most likely I'll not even play again with anyone using the new dragonknight skills. it's really unbearable. Looks completely excessive and exactly the kind of children games I absolutely hate. So there's that, I know it's my problem because I'm not enjoying what's happening to the game, but can you elucidate us why you are defending the destruction of part of the game? Why do we need to lose the skill effects we paid were enjoying and paid for to be forced to use the ones you like? Why can't you pay for those horrendous animations and leave us in peace using the ones we enjoy. Are you and the players who didn't like the original animations more important than the ones who did? And what's the point of skill style if we can't even preserve the original skill styles we had?

Looks completely excessive and exactly the kind of children games I absolutely hate.

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Totally agree

I genuinely despise most of the new visuals for DK. Some are good and fun, like breath, but most are loud, obnoxious and intrusive, or just plain worse than the original. They lack texture, and look like they belong in WoW and that's not a compliment, that game looks cartoonish and awful. I was on a sorc just now and getting hit with an infuriatingly huge visual effect (full body claymation fire) from a team mate, blocking being able to see my own visual effects. As a community, we keep saying tone it down, and it's almost spiteful when they do the opposite, consistently. I don't have pts, I can't go load the new patch before it drops to see how annoying or difficult to use the visual changes are going to be, and recommend changes early and it feels like all the youtube video creators are either young with full vision or like flashy VE, so people like myself where details get lost in visual noise and it makes the game harder or unpleasant to play lose out.

I'm genuinely worried about warden and the other refreshes. The visual FX are why I play this game rather than another game. Why I spend money here rather than another game. If ESO doesn't feel like ESO anymore... At this point, it feels like a chore to have to come on the forums and make it known that x thing that is really good does not need to change. When lots of us are saying "hey, it's good as is, please don't make it look like that other, worse MMO" and still get ignored, it's... not a great feeling. ESO feeling more realistic is part of its charm.

Coming back to this to add that the blue styles are genuinely an improvement if you find the base styles too busy. It's a shame if you want them to be fire coloured but if you don't mind, they're 20k each in Craglorn.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Lekjih wrote: »

Coming back to this to add that the blue styles are genuinely an improvement if you find the base styles too busy. It's a shame if you want them to be fire coloured but if you don't mind, they're 20k each in Craglorn.

Where in Craglorn?

Next to the outfit station, in Belkarth, a khajiit.

I checked out my DK 2H today and I was horrified to put it mildly. After all the threads and posts begging to let us hide loud and flashy effects to be hit in the face with this... I was stunned. Are all our classes going to be changed like this?

Lekjih wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Lekjih wrote: »

Coming back to this to add that the blue styles are genuinely an improvement if you find the base styles too busy. It's a shame if you want them to be fire coloured but if you don't mind, they're 20k each in Craglorn.

Where in Craglorn?

Next to the outfit station, in Belkarth, a khajiit.

Elvenheart wrote: »

Lekjih wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Lekjih wrote: »

Coming back to this to add that the blue styles are genuinely an improvement if you find the base styles too busy. It's a shame if you want them to be fire coloured but if you don't mind, they're 20k each in Craglorn.

Where in Craglorn?

Next to the outfit station, in Belkarth, a khajiit.

There’s also a new stylemaster merchant in Stormhaven in Wayrest next to the outfit station, and a lot of other towns too. All the new merchants have the same inventory.

Thanks. Didn't catch there was a new one

ADarklore wrote: »

Everyone talking about 'skill styles' but I don't believe any of the skill styles change the animation, they only change the color- correct me if I'm wrong. But based on all the skill styles I have, they are just a color change, whereas what 2H went through was a complete revamp of the animations. While they have added animation changes for harvesting and recall, I haven't seen any that change combat animations.

So those saying the changes to 2H should have been just a 'skill style', it wasn't a color change, it was an animation + color change.

Further, when I see things like this being made in ESO... I think of two explanations. Either these new animations are actually made because they are saving server memory by changing them to something simpler or changing to a better modern coding, or two, they are done to justify keeping more members of the animation team on the payroll (I call it job justification where I work). Many times where I work, we get changes done that make absolutely no sense, except the fact they're made by people worried about keeping their jobs so they have to show they are actually DOING something to justify keeping them employed. Considering how the axe fell last year on the ZOS development team, I could see either explanation as plausible, and acceptable IMO.

So on the styles, the blue dk styles don't get rid of any of the excess chest fire, but makes it less noticable against most terrains.

The redesigning stuff so the higher management doesn't fire them is awful, both for the animators and us. It's a game, we always have new stuff or redesigns that need doing (cough horse legs cough), they shouldn't have to justify their jobs. A game without animators is a choose your own adventure book.

I've been playing around with one of my dks to see more of what's what (rather than just having my view blocked by a team mate and the field overrun by everyone running dks). A lot of the AoEs are perfectly fine used by one person by themself, the excess chest fire disappears quickly. Whip and strike are too much, lots of flailing flashes, and talons is slightly uncanny valley plastic feet popping out of the ground but that one is probaly one that just needs getting used to. Magma armour used by the tank was causing the claymation fire. Weapons is a quick little flash and I appreciate that on the non DKs it hits, their weapons flash but no lingering effects. Don't like that it changes weapon styles on the user. Wings is weird in that I both love and hate it. The wings have more detail, which is good. There's a bunch of fire wind, which is bad. It smacks people and does a stun knock back, which is hilarious. It doesn't sound quite right, which is a downgrade but not necessarily bad. I have been running around on The Dread Peep slapping everything with wings just because. The sound on breath is also in a weird spot. It does sound like high pressure fire from a small outlet, but it's almost tuned too loud/intense for a headset. This could be on my end.

I am hoping we get more nocturnal/crow or bird styles to match the leap. I'm also hoping the animations being texturally smoother looking is because it's fire, and that sorc lightning and warden ice and plants will both look like the actual elements. Hopefully the animals (my particular worries are bear and clannfear but all of them really) don't get the weird auras or anything like that.

I would say the issue is the take ZOS has on the visual update, not the update itself, which is quite late if anything. Better animations would be good, I just wish they had more subtle movements and effects. Some skills should just change how they work entirely to accomodate that.

Claiming that you would pay for Less visual noise, and other forms of noise, is all well and good.. for you. But let's face it, no one should have to pay for proper accessibility features. And that's the base issue. Giving a toggle is not a gift, it is the base level of what a properly run company should do for their players. Giving options is always the best course of action. Choice, or the illusion of it, will Garner customer loyalty far more changing mechanics or visual refreshes ever will.