Chains of devistation small buff

fenn1539 · March 12

this is a simple one but i kinda want the DK pull to be made into a "with max stat" type ability instead of just a magical pull so that way it works great for both magicka tanks and stamina tanks.

Sluggy · March 12

Why would a tank being using Chains of Devastation? I'm assuming you mean the other morph that provides a taunt and a pull?

Anyway, if you really a pull that cost stamina instead of magicka there is always Silver Leash from the Fighter's Guild skill line. Basically does the same except maybe for proccing some of the new DK passives.

fenn1539 · March 12

Sluggy wrote: »

Why would a tank being using Chains of Devastation? I'm assuming you mean the other morph that provides a taunt and a pull?

Anyway, if you really a pull that cost stamina instead of magicka there is always Silver Leash from the Fighter's Guild skill line. Basically does the same except maybe for proccing some of the new DK passives.

yes i forgot which one was the pull and which was that leap XD

fenn1539 · March 12

as for why, i feel it leans more into the class identity rather than NEEDING to go for silver leash instead because DK ONLY does magicka and when your going for tank builds, mag and stam are often dumped HEAVILY and if not, you have to give up hp which *** HURTS so its a situation where to maintain using it as a tank, you have to be using the ICE staff on the FIRE knight instead of just a sword and board which feels wrong so unless they add like a "sword and magic" skill line that works with a one handed sword and than flavour'd magic element types like the destro staves so you can be using a sword and fire magic with maybe it being focused on damage shields for a more battle mage playstyle, you basically HAVE to go sword and board and at that point, again managing BOTH your stam AND your mag abilites becomes heavily annoying.

fenn1539 · March 12

basically silver leash is PEFECT for all classes OTHER than DK cause DK EASILY has the coolest pull in the game with the chains and if your playing DK tank, theres like a 99% chance part of the reason is PURELY cause of how cool those chains are so its basically mostly a "lets let the DK tanks use the DK tank abilites rather than needing to outsource their *** to india" type stuff.

Sluggy · March 12

I think you're looking at it backwards. The DK version is generally considered the superior version *because* it uses mag. Using the mag version should be easier to maintain because if you are in a situation where you need to perma-block with your shield then you'll never recovery stamina naturally. In this situation, relying heavily on magicka skills makes sustain much easier and simpler. You build into mag recovery and use other various passives, skills, and sets restore your stamina.

Soarora · March 12

It needs buffed, I was going to post about that at some point, but not like that. It’s not competing with silver leash, it’s competing with the scribed chain. And compared to the scribe chain, it’s worse. It needs to apply breach or maim or something.

fenn1539 · March 13

Sluggy wrote: »

I think you're looking at it backwards. The DK version is generally considered the superior version *because* it uses mag. Using the mag version should be easier to maintain because if you are in a situation where you need to perma-block with your shield then you'll never recovery stamina naturally. In this situation, relying heavily on magicka skills makes sustain much easier and simpler. You build into mag recovery and use other various passives, skills, and sets restore your stamina.

thats why i suggest it be made into a max stat scaler so that way if you want it to be mag because guess what? almost all of DK abilites use mag as their casting stat which when you have 14 to at most maybe, 20k mag and you have to go through a full bar 2 bar rotation every 20 seconds, it leads to a problem where you cant affoard to cast the chains as much cause than your rotation will fall outta step so when you have like 8 abilites using mag, it would be nice if the one stat only getting used for basic actions and not even that many at that with the new buffs making DK REALLY sturdy with major protection as basekit and so easily gained at that and with the fact it being stam would let you be a bit less caring about making sure to have good enough mag or stam to maintain your rotation and taunts/pulls and can put more points in health to be tankier.

fenn1539 · March 13

Soarora wrote: »

It needs buffed, I was going to post about that at some point, but not like that. It’s not competing with silver leash, it’s competing with the scribed chain. And compared to the scribe chain, it’s worse. It needs to apply breach or maim or something.

hell, they could buff it with my suggetion and make it a shorter range thing BUT it pulls in an AoE like the voidbash set and the srcibing skill making it the first basekit AoE that you dont need to go outta your way in any regard to get.

Soarora · March 13

fenn1539 wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

It needs buffed, I was going to post about that at some point, but not like that. It’s not competing with silver leash, it’s competing with the scribed chain. And compared to the scribe chain, it’s worse. It needs to apply breach or maim or something.

hell, they could buff it with my suggetion and make it a shorter range thing BUT it pulls in an AoE like the voidbash set and the srcibing skill making it the first basekit AoE that you dont need to go outta your way in any regard to get.

Wouldn’t be the first, Arcanist has an aoe pull. But yeah, could make it an aoe pull. Would still end up using the scribe chain for single target though.

Sluggy · March 13

fenn1539 wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

I think you're looking at it backwards. The DK version is generally considered the superior version *because* it uses mag. Using the mag version should be easier to maintain because if you are in a situation where you need to perma-block with your shield then you'll never recovery stamina naturally. In this situation, relying heavily on magicka skills makes sustain much easier and simpler. You build into mag recovery and use other various passives, skills, and sets restore your stamina.

thats why i suggest it be made into a max stat scaler so that way if you want it to be mag because guess what? almost all of DK abilites use mag as their casting stat which when you have 14 to at most maybe, 20k mag and you have to go through a full bar 2 bar rotation every 20 seconds, it leads to a problem where you cant affoard to cast the chains as much cause than your rotation will fall outta step so when you have like 8 abilites using mag, it would be nice if the one stat only getting used for basic actions and not even that many at that with the new buffs making DK REALLY sturdy with major protection as basekit and so easily gained at that and with the fact it being stam would let you be a bit less caring about making sure to have good enough mag or stam to maintain your rotation and taunts/pulls and can put more points in health to be tankier.

I wouldn't want it that way. I'm quite used to tanking with as little as 8k or 9k mag and I usually have a larger pool of stamina somewhere in the 12k to 15k range. Like I said, high recovery for mag, high pool and external sources of recovery for stamina. The larger stam pool buys you time for something to proc that gives you stam back. You won't be getting it back while you are holding block, which some fight pretty much require full-time. If the cost scaled off of max stat then it would hurt many builds.