AScarlato wrote: »

Agree with OP and have had the concern of effortless rewards now requiring chores instead.

Yes you could look at logging in daily as a chore too but less so than having to log in AND do some pointless task for a checklist.

I'm someone who likes a lot of independence as to how I spend my time in the game. Logging in was fine.

I already skipped daily endeavors and sometimes golden pursuits if the tasks didn't interest me.

You can reroll the new tasks.

virtus753 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Logins are a Great idea.

where you going to get basic stuff like xp scrolls, repairs, food, tri-potions etc for those Extra characters you decide to create?

Oh, yeah. You get to Pay Cash Money for them.

Except no you won't, where are people getting the idea you need to pay for higher tiers of Tome to get scrolls and stuff? That's being included in the free Tome everyone has access to and the Gold Coast Bazaar.

I believe some will be included in the free tier, but I also think some will be locked behind the Premium tier too. How much we’ll get for free versus how much we’ll have to pay for is something I’m very curious about.

As to where people are getting the idea that scrolls and such might be paid, it’s not unsubstantiated. Here’s a page from PTS with Companion xp consumables and Alliance War scrolls on the Premium track:



This certainly doesn’t mean scrolls won’t appear on the free track. On the other hand, while it doesn’t guarantee that scrolls will appear on the Premium track, it does strongly suggest the possibility — especially since things we have been promised would be on the Premium track were also there on PTS (like the multirider spider) too.

Perhaps the Premium track will be reserved for these rarer/new xp consumables. (We can already see writ vouchers and chicken dinners and other things from daily logins there, though, too.) Perhaps not. I’m looking forward to finding out in April.

Edited: yikes grammar on a phone

But the thing is, you won't have to pay to get the stuff that we see currently. There may be MORE of them available if you pay, but I remember during my time looking at the Tome on the PTS that the free level included the Monster Hunter Personality, I think it was a pack of 3 or 4 Crates, numerous Style pages, and of course stuff like exp scrolls. You can still get them if you really need or want them, but you won't have to pay unless you want MORE of them or want the more situational things, but the free version will include the stuff as well.

And again, the Gold Coast Bazaar is having stuff moved to it as well. And as I mentioned there are systems coming that we don't know ANYTHING about yet because they haven't been discussed yet, like the Sage's Vault. These things could be literally anything, which means they can also be additional ways of earning things. We simply don't know yet.

SummersetCitizen wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Logins are a Great idea.

where you going to get basic stuff like xp scrolls, repairs, food, tri-potions etc for those Extra characters you decide to create?

Oh, yeah. You get to Pay Cash Money for them.

Except no you won't, where are people getting the idea you need to pay for higher tiers of Tome to get scrolls and stuff? That's being included in the free Tome everyone has access to and the Gold Coast Bazaar.

I believe some will be included in the free tier, but I also think some will be locked behind the Premium tier too. How much we’ll get for free versus how much we’ll have to pay for is something I’m very curious about.

Let’s also be honest about the fact that the generosity of what’s in free to earn is going to change overtime.

Literally every monetization system works like this… to slowly convert customers into the paid tier.

Using carrots AND sticks as motivation. Likely more carrots upfront and more sticks as time passes.

There is absolutely no way of know if they're going to "reduce" rewards and sitting here claiming over and over that they're going to is only unnecessarily going to make other people angry and apprehensive over something we don't even have yet.

It's one thing to have a concern that this might happen, and that's valid. But it's a different matter to act like this is concrete and it's going to happen and things are going to be made worse over time and only you know it to be a fact. You are entirely overlooking the fact that the Gold Coast Bazaar also exists and the fact that the whole reason all these changes are happening is to reduce FOMO. You're ignoring that literally every major content release is going to be free from now on.

I don't agree with how much the paid versions of the Tomes will be but they needed SOMETHING to replace the revenue Chapters and smaller DLCs brought in. So yes, people who pay will get more, but the people who don't will still have plenty to earn. Expecting the absolute worst outcome every time something changes does no one any good. At least let the system come out and exist for a while before condemning it.

AScarlato wrote: »

Agree with OP and have had the concern of effortless rewards now requiring chores instead.

Yes you could look at logging in daily as a chore too but less so than having to log in AND do some pointless task for a checklist.

I'm someone who likes a lot of independence as to how I spend my time in the game. Logging in was fine.

I already skipped daily endeavors and sometimes golden pursuits if the tasks didn't interest me.

How many of those login rewards did you genuinely use? Asking sincerely not trying to be snarky about it. Were there a lot you actually used or just a small number? Effortless rewards don't much matter if they're going to be something you delete or ignore (in the case of stuff like Pets or Costumes, which we haven't really gotten in a while).

And with the new system you aren't forced into doing things on shorter timeframes. You'll have months to complete your Weekly and Seasonal Challenges. Weekly ones will carry over every week for the duration of the Season; miss a month because you were sick? You still have several weeks to work on those tasks.

The reroll CAN change things because if you get a set of Challenges that don't align with what you enjoy doing in the game, you can reroll up to five times per week. It gives a decent number of chances to get things you actually enjoy doing or will passively achieve as you do what you like doing.

This system will give you MORE independence and ability to curate what you get rewarded for doing than how things were.

No daily rewards. Thanks,

No. ZOS did the right thing freeing us from having to obsessively log in every day; now you ask for that gilded cage again.

I am glad the daily login rewards are gone, along with all the junk they gave cluttering up my bags until I marked them as junk and purged them.

AScarlato wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Agree with OP and have had the concern of effortless rewards now requiring chores instead.

Yes you could look at logging in daily as a chore too but less so than having to log in AND do some pointless task for a checklist.

I'm someone who likes a lot of independence as to how I spend my time in the game. Logging in was fine.

I already skipped daily endeavors and sometimes golden pursuits if the tasks didn't interest me.

How many of those login rewards did you genuinely use? Asking sincerely not trying to be snarky about it. Were there a lot you actually used or just a small number? Effortless rewards don't much matter if they're going to be something you delete or ignore (in the case of stuff like Pets or Costumes, which we haven't really gotten in a while).

And with the new system you aren't forced into doing things on shorter timeframes. You'll have months to complete your Weekly and Seasonal Challenges. Weekly ones will carry over every week for the duration of the Season; miss a month because you were sick? You still have several weeks to work on those tasks.

The reroll CAN change things because if you get a set of Challenges that don't align with what you enjoy doing in the game, you can reroll up to five times per week. It gives a decent number of chances to get things you actually enjoy doing or will passively achieve as you do what you like doing.

This system will give you MORE independence and ability to curate what you get rewarded for doing than how things were.

I used a lot of them. Tri-pots of course, crafting mats, and I also used the Food. Even poisons though not enough to get through them all. More importantly, things like 100K gold or unique cosmetics that came here and there.

If there was nothing I cared for, then the daily logins had no impact on my habits.

I'm sure some people really like logging in, looking at a checklist, and doing random things. Like going into your house and picking up and placing items for no reason. Or going to zones and specific areas like in some Golden Endeavors to kill specific mobs.

I don't find this immersive and simply a waste of time for me. I have to REALLY want something to put up with mindless timesinks.

Follow-up question then, again bein' sincere here and not a butt. Out of the things you listed, are those things you can't craft better version of (Poisons, Potions, Food) yourself, or know someone who could? If you don't do crafting yourself (which a number of people don't for whatever reason they have), then I assume you also don't do any of the daily crafting writs? Since you can get the gold mats from those. A number of these rewards are just being shuffled and moved into other ways of getting them and aren't something you get immediately. They'll still be available.

I DO understand logging in to get the big rewards (when we used to get the really good ones like 100k or Crown Crates and the like lol) and not really caring about the rest of it because those aren't the target goal, they're more like a bonus. Or a very mild annoyance when it's something you don't want and need to delete, heh.

The thing is, the Weekly Challenges are in essence the same thing as Weekly Endeavors. They've just essentially been renamed, but it's the same concept. Do tasks, get currency/rewards. What seems like random stuff to you that isn't immersive is another person's standard gameplay. Placing furniture, for example, is something a person who does a lot of decorating is doing regulalry, and is something they'll get rewarded for. Someone who really likes doing House Tours will get tasks asking you to visit X number of Houses. Some people might be questing in the area a certain task wants you to do or kill things. A lot of people do daily crafting writs, so the tasks that ask you to do X number of daily quests are a cakewalk. Lots of people run Dungeons for Transmute Stones, so they'll get those tasks asking to complete X number of Dungeons easily enough.

And unlike how Endeavors were, with the way Challenges will be now, if your Weekly tasks are things you don't want to do, you can reroll them to try and get stuff you DO want to do, or at the very least, don't mind doing. It's not doing 'random' things, it's just a wide selection of tasks that include a lot of different things people do; Housing, PvP, Dungeons, WBs, crafting, etc. That way there are things everyone can do, either actively because it's an activity they already do regularly, or passively as a result of the stuff they do (such as 'Kill X number of enemies' being a result of doing Dungeons or Trials).

Do not miss login rewards. Think the new system will be fine, likely better, since I can get more of what I want and less of stuff I do not use.

Daily login rewards started in 2018. (Maybe not 12 years, but 8 is still a long time.)

smallhammer wrote: »

Why would someone be against daily log in rewards? It's not something you NEED to have. It's something you get for free, just for logging in.
The rewards weren't in any way a must have or something. But just a nice...yes; reward for logging in.

My observation from multiple forum threads is that enough people felt compelled to login to get the rewards - and also complete daily and weekly endeavours - simply because they existed, that it was a constant source of grumbling.

The other thing about the daily login rewards is that there could often be some nice things buried in the mix, sometimes quite near the end. But since you needed to unlock them in sequence, that meant you would have to login and claim daily just for the option to claim those later ones: if you hadn't claimed enough by the end of the month, tough luck.

I freely admit that (a) I don't fully understand the driven FOMO feeling but that (b) I've logged in daily most months anyway. Not sure what that says

I would rather feel like I'm being rewarded for the time I do play, than feel penalized because I don't/can't log in every day.

If they need to give us some more opportunities to earn the things the daily login rewards gave us, fine.
Expecting real people to log-in to anything daily is 'old think'.

The Premium Rewards in that screenshot aren't anything that interests me, so there is no motivation on my part to get Premium Tomes.