It's not meant to buff subclasses

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Wup_sa wrote: »

It's not meant to buff subclasses

Based on what? It just says buff aoe and dot damage. For other classes with such passives they buff all such attacks, whether from class skills, weapon skills, other skills or even weapon attacks.

Part of the reason for the Class reworks is to make pure Classes as viable as people doing Subclassing. Thus, making things only affect the Class the passive is from rather than all Skills makes sense.

There really should be something that indicates it only affects DK Skills tho.

@ZOS_Kevin I’m not even gonna get mad, this obviously has to be a bug right? Otherwise why not communicate this to us the ENTIRE patch cycle?

L_Nici wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The tooltip for this passive really needs updating, as it doesn't specify that world in ruin only applies to dk skills, so becomes useless for subclassing, annoying as I was hoping to use it to buff sweeps a bit.

How surprising, that DK Passives benefit DKs more than Subclasses as it should be. They communicated since months, that thats exactly their goal, there won't be any reworking, its intended.

No, they did not communicate that for World in Ruin. Otherwise it’s definitely a bug that Solar Barrage does exactly what it says and buffs all class skills (not just Templar) and Inspired Scholarship procs off all class skills (not just Arcanist), right? Assumptions result in multiple internal contradictions here. Either the patch notes and tooltips for World in Ruin omit necessary information, or the skill is bugged in implementation. One of those things must be fixed.

For clear communication, look at how they updated the Grave Lord’s Sacrifice tooltip in the patch notes *before release* to make it clear to us that it was only going to buff Necro class skills, not all class skills (and then also all DoTs). Compare how they did not say any such thing for World in Ruin in the past two months.

If they intended World in Ruin to only apply to DK AoEs and DoTs, they went against their own precedent and failed to communicate it despite multiple opportunities where they should have done so (PTS patch notes, live patch notes, in-game tooltips).

virtus753 wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

karios525 wrote: »

The tooltip for this passive really needs updating, as it doesn't specify that world in ruin only applies to dk skills, so becomes useless for subclassing, annoying as I was hoping to use it to buff sweeps a bit.

How surprising, that DK Passives benefit DKs more than Subclasses as it should be. They communicated since months, that thats exactly their goal, there won't be any reworking, its intended.

No, they did not communicate that for World in Ruin. Otherwise it’s definitely a bug that Solar Barrage does exactly what it says and buffs all class skills (not just Templar) and Inspired Scholarship procs off all class skills (not just Arcanist), right? Assumptions result in multiple internal contradictions here. Either the patch notes and tooltips for World in Ruin omit necessary information, or the skill is bugged in implementation. One of those things must be fixed.

For clear communication, look at how they updated the Grave Lord’s Sacrifice tooltip in the patch notes *before release* to make it clear to us that it was only going to buff Necro class skills, not all class skills (and then also all DoTs). Compare how they did not say any such thing for World in Ruin in the past two months.

If they intended World in Ruin to only apply to DK AoEs and DoTs, they went against their own precedent and failed to communicate it despite multiple opportunities where they should have done so (PTS patch notes, live patch notes, in-game tooltips).

It's even worse because these sorts of self-buffing dead passives are exactly the same sort of filler content that the old +duration passives are for several classes.

Like, we do not want passives that do this. If the intention is to have those class skills tuned to a certain level then tune the actual ability to that level rather than burning a valuable class passive.

If it is intentional then they have basically replaced the old dead +duration passive with another similarly dead passive that does not justify its own existence and that should be baked into the base power of skills.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

I just tested this with a sorc and it buffed boundless storm and lightning splash from sorc, it also buffed disintegrating dragonfire and burning. It also buffed the initial dragonfire which is aoe.

It also buffed puncturing sweep.

So I think the OP is just wrong and we're arguing about nothing

Forum misinformation strikes again!

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

I just tested this with a sorc and it buffed boundless storm and lightning splash from sorc, it also buffed disintegrating dragonfire and burning. It also buffed the initial dragonfire which is aoe.

It also buffed puncturing sweep.

So I think the OP is just wrong and we're arguing about nothing

Thanks, I’m at work otherwise I would have checked it earlier.

What a crazy thing to see people arguing this. That would be like pressing A to log into your Nightblade and then defending when the game logged onto your Sorcerer instead. 🤦‍♂️

It may be if you activated a dk ability before testing with a different class skill, that passive giving minor brutality would have buffed your abilities as I was seeing that buff sweeps as well as major berserk from chains, but for the world in ruin passive as it was a permanent buff I would expect to see the sweeps damage tooltip buffed and updated but wasn't.

Sorc base with aedric and draconic, only sweeps and dragonfire slotted, no passives except world of ruin.
All on a fresh 6mil dummy no buffs.
Sweeps with WOR

Sweeps without WOR


Dragonfire with WOR

Dragonfire without WOR

Wow sweet, thanks for that!