DK now the broken meta in PvP

MJallday · March 9

Molten whip single targeting for 11k+ even when you have 35k +resistance and are blocking

Damage stacking beyond recognition . 6 hits 1 second if it’s done right - so Anyone not running dk is not lasting more than 2 seconds

Count me out until they fix that mess. It’s broken

Vulsahdaal · March 9

As a PvP DK Im on right now, I havent even got a chance to try Whip yet. Im just confused that Spiked Armor is gone. Not a name change, because I checked everything and nothing like it (that adds to resistance) even exists anymore and where it was on my bar is now just an empty slot. Why is this?

If whip is as bad as you say, well at least thats something, but Id rather it remain as it was before if I could get my hardened armor back.

YandereGirlfriend · March 9

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

As a PvP DK Im on right now, I havent even got a chance to try Whip yet. Im just confused that Spiked Armor is gone. Not a name change, because I checked everything and nothing like it (that adds to resistance) even exists anymore and where it was on my bar is now just an empty slot. Why is this?

If whip is as bad as you say, well at least thats something, but Id rather it remain as it was before if I could get my hardened armor back.

It's in Earthen Heart.

Elendildur · March 9

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

As a PvP DK Im on right now, I havent even got a chance to try Whip yet. Im just confused that Spiked Armor is gone. Not a name change, because I checked everything and nothing like it (that adds to resistance) even exists anymore and where it was on my bar is now just an empty slot. Why is this?

If whip is as bad as you say, well at least thats something, but Id rather it remain as it was before if I could get my hardened armor back.

It has been renamed to Earthspike Mantle, and moved to Earthern Heart

Vulsahdaal · March 9

Elendildur wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

As a PvP DK Im on right now, I havent even got a chance to try Whip yet. Im just confused that Spiked Armor is gone. Not a name change, because I checked everything and nothing like it (that adds to resistance) even exists anymore and where it was on my bar is now just an empty slot. Why is this?

If whip is as bad as you say, well at least thats something, but Id rather it remain as it was before if I could get my hardened armor back.

It has been renamed to Earthspike Mantle, and moved to Earthern Heart

Seriously? Why would they move it to a completely different section??

Well at least that explains why I cant find it, I had to give up my Earthen Heart (and wasnt happy about it) for Sorc Dark Magic and unfortunately can not switch back

Thanks for letting me know, I guess Ill have to see if Im able to scribe something similar.

Its was a bad move to change skills to different section, they couldnt foresee that with subclassing, some people would lose access to it?

Wup_sa · March 9

It's hitting around 6k to average pvp meta build

Urzigurumash · March 9

Wup_sa wrote: »

It's hitting around 6k to average pvp meta build

What do you see here for Dizzy and Surprise Attack?

albertberku · March 9

What PvP is there left at all? At this point i just roam with instant run away builds and watch others in distance, while they are spamming random buttons and jumping around each other in 3-man groups with their high hp ganker builds.

Radiate77 · March 9

I just had this sent to me, wow.
Yeah this is kind of a problem, right?

Thumbless_Bot · March 9

Radiate77 wrote: »

I just had this sent to me, wow.
Yeah this is kind of a problem, right?

This is hard to understand without k owing what sets and modifiers the user was wearing. It's obviously a crit hit with a lot of crit damage added.

The issue is probably not with the skill but we dont k ow with what is provided.

Urzigurumash · March 9

And further we dont know whether it has some "Bonus Damage" proc, which aren't a separate hit in recaps.

edit: usually aren't. I'm talking non class Bonus Damage from sets or non class skills

CatalinaWineMixer2 · March 10

It has not even been 24hrs and PvP is singing the same old song, "Nerf the DK". Yesterday it was Warden Charm, the day before that it was healing, before that it was damage shields, sorcerer before that and on and on. It's never going to end.

Stop nerfing our characters, classes and abilities. You want fair PvP, every
individual class gets the same abilities and stats. If you're that good, you're that good. There isnt any other way.

Wup_sa · March 10

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

I just had this sent to me, wow.
Yeah this is kind of a problem, right?

This is hard to understand without k owing what sets and modifiers the user was wearing. It's obviously a crit hit with a lot of crit damage added.

The issue is probably not with the skill but we dont k ow with what is provided.

By the looks of it, if 1st wave of subassault hits for over 4k and surprise attack over 7k, seems like low resistances over all. It hits on average around 2-3k and 4k on 32k resist

Wup_sa · March 10

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

It has not even been 24hrs and PvP is singing the same old song, "Nerf the DK". Yesterday it was Warden Charm, the day before that it was healing, before that it was damage shields, sorcerer before that and on and on. It's never going to end.

Stop nerfing our characters, classes and abilities. You want fair PvP, every
individual class gets the same abilities and stats. If you're that good, you're that good. There isnt any other way.

Pure dk is still like 10x weaker than warden/nb/plar combo. The meta didn't change people just get killed by better players and complain right away.

Radiate77 · March 10

My buddy never enters PvP without near cap resist for both, and 1600+ Crit Resist. Only his Rallying Cry and Major/Minor Resolve were active in this screenshot.

Bottom right shows Mota-Ka BG map.

To be hit that hard, with those kind of defense stats, shows an underlying issue, and it has nothing to do with either player. 😂

BardokRedSnow · March 10

Radiate77 wrote: »

I just had this sent to me, wow.
Yeah this is kind of a problem, right?

This damage is easy to reach with any crit build out there right now using whip subterranean assault, even blast bones. Jabby jab mech acuity subclass builds still perform very well also, had a number of duels with those, won and lost some. It was about even overall which is exactly where we want it.

This is likely from stacked whip or a crit, even both. 12k in a burst from one hit is not unusual.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 10

Radiate77 wrote: »

I just had this sent to me, wow.
Yeah this is kind of a problem, right?

That is so very clearly a meta build, but with Ardent Flame instead of Storm Calling, which means you’d take that damage regardless of whether it was whip or Spec Bow.

Radiate77 · March 10

A spec bow is quite different from a whip.
Unless an AoE Spec Bow is now OK?

Also; what meta build? You can clearly see the Z at the beginning of Dragonfire and Whip.

DKs are hitting that hard right now.

hoangdz · March 10

Pure DK is farming meta subclass builds right now it’s not even funny lol.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 10

Radiate77 wrote: »

A spec bow is quite different from a whip.
Unless an AoE Spec Bow is now OK?

Also; what meta build? You can clearly see the Z at the beginning of Dragonfire and Whip.

DKs are hitting that hard right now.

I didn’t catch the names. Regardless, there’s a lot of context missing from that frame. Let’s not instantly start screaming for nerfs.

Major_Mangle · March 10

Radiate77 wrote: »

My buddy never enters PvP without near cap resist for both, and 1600+ Crit Resist. Only his Rallying Cry and Major/Minor Resolve were active in this screenshot.

Bottom right shows Mota-Ka BG map.

To be hit that hard, with those kind of defense stats, shows an underlying issue, and it has nothing to do with either player. 😂

Not to be harsh here, but these aren't really any impressive defensive stats at all (even with nocp taken into consideration).rather the opposite. If the screenshot posted earlier is connected to this stat sheet, then those death recap values makes perfect sense.

Renato90085 · March 10

This was expected.
subclass balance need wait half class(3 or 4) to rework,maybe 1.5 years later

demonology89 · March 10

Like someone else has stated, pure DK dropped less than 24 hours ago and people are already asking for nerfs?

Radiate77 · March 10

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

My buddy never enters PvP without near cap resist for both, and 1600+ Crit Resist. Only his Rallying Cry and Major/Minor Resolve were active in this screenshot.

Bottom right shows Mota-Ka BG map.

To be hit that hard, with those kind of defense stats, shows an underlying issue, and it has nothing to do with either player. 😂

Not to be harsh here, but these aren't really any impressive defensive stats at all (even with nocp taken into consideration).rather the opposite. If the screenshot posted earlier is connected to this stat sheet, then those death recap values makes perfect sense.

Those are incredible defense stats, what are you talking about? That’s cap resist pre-pen, defensive jewelry, and you’re not beating Rallying Cry for crit resist on an actual build. What do you expect? Full tank stats?

The majority of players that you will run into do not maintain higher defense stats than those while reliably chaining kills.

mocap · March 10

Can't speak for duels, but in Cyro it’s just an endless parade of 'Take Flight' kamikazes. Whip hits like a freight train, though.

Turtle_Bot · March 10

DK is fine, the only thing "broken" is that it seems the CC break bug is back, which, like every single previous patch that adjusted a CC ability, fossilize happens to be a "new" CC so it's getting used a lot, making the bug more frequent.

My guess is that anyone seeing 10k+ whips on their recaps is failing to see that the enemies corrosive is active, so their 30k+ resistances basically don't exist.

Faltasë · March 10

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

It has not even been 24hrs and PvP is singing the same old song, "Nerf the DK". Yesterday it was Warden Charm, the day before that it was healing, before that it was damage shields, sorcerer before that and on and on. It's never going to end.

Stop nerfing our characters, classes and abilities. You want fair PvP, every
individual class gets the same abilities and stats. If you're that good, you're that good. There isnt any other way.

Yeah I think saying this *** too early is bad for balance in the long term. Everyone should deal with it until all classes have been refreshed, because that's what route they're taking and that's the only fix that will matter.

Radiate77 · March 10

You can acknowledge that something is overperforming without implying that it needs to be nerfed.

This is the first class to be reworked after all. DK is an issue, but it’s an issue that will work itself out over time.

hoangdz · March 10

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

My buddy never enters PvP without near cap resist for both, and 1600+ Crit Resist. Only his Rallying Cry and Major/Minor Resolve were active in this screenshot.

Bottom right shows Mota-Ka BG map.

To be hit that hard, with those kind of defense stats, shows an underlying issue, and it has nothing to do with either player. 😂

Not to be harsh here, but these aren't really any impressive defensive stats at all (even with nocp taken into consideration).rather the opposite. If the screenshot posted earlier is connected to this stat sheet, then those death recap values makes perfect sense.

So you're implying that damage inflation has gotten so bad that 34k armor is considered unimpressive? lmao.

2 years ago you would be considered a tank for having 34k armor.

Major_Mangle · March 10

hoangdz wrote: »

Major_Mangle wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

My buddy never enters PvP without near cap resist for both, and 1600+ Crit Resist. Only his Rallying Cry and Major/Minor Resolve were active in this screenshot.

Bottom right shows Mota-Ka BG map.

To be hit that hard, with those kind of defense stats, shows an underlying issue, and it has nothing to do with either player. 😂

Not to be harsh here, but these aren't really any impressive defensive stats at all (even with nocp taken into consideration).rather the opposite. If the screenshot posted earlier is connected to this stat sheet, then those death recap values makes perfect sense.

So you're implying that damage inflation has gotten so bad that 34k armor is considered unimpressive? lmao.

2 years ago you would be considered a tank for having 34k armor.

Wasn't really referring to the physical/spell resistances, but rather the crit resistance and the HP which are on the lower end, even for nocp.

ArctosCethlenn · March 10

I was firing off 12k+ noncrit flame lashes yesterday, probably on squishier targets but that is still kinda excessive since it cleaves, crits in the 15-19k range. Even without using corrosive.

Roughly on par with merciless from my pure siphoner nb, and everyone and their mother knows merciless is overtuned.