Are you using invigorating trait ?

Casul · March 8

Honestly I think a companion related trait would be the most useful as far as making it have purpose. Impen already beat out prosperous back in the day (although not sure how this would line up with the new overland difficulty stuff).

k5k · March 9

Jestir wrote: »

Wot, tbh I meant to click no but the options are backwards compared to normal

Me too, lol. I've never once used invigorating.

IndorilArwynLlethran · March 9

Both previous versions of this trait were better. ZOS could actually bring back "prosperous".

Xarc · March 9

In-game performance has been significantly improved (though not perfect) compared to what it was several years ago. That much is clear.
Even though ZOS has a comprehensive roadmap, revisiting this trait that no one uses could be worthwhile.

I see two possible changes:

- The trait becomes a true combat trait, for PvE/PvP builds
- The trait reverts to being a purely PvE trait, as it was for Prosperous.

GloatingSwine · March 9

Casul wrote: »

Honestly I think a companion related trait would be the most useful as far as making it have purpose. Impen already beat out prosperous back in the day (although not sure how this would line up with the new overland difficulty stuff).

I don't think companions are in a good enough state to put in an armour trait for them.

Outside Infinite Archive where they get a base 90% damage reduction they're basically only really useful as top-up healers. Their DPS is barely existent (I've managed to get one up to ~4200 against a dungeon boss), they can't move out of mechanics so they die all the time if they're not ranged, half the time their skills make them worse because the cast times block out more light attacks without doing enough damage to compensate.

They just need a look over. Reduced cast times on their abilities (0.2-0.3sec max), give them a bit more damage and utility beyond damage, and redo their armour and traits so more of them are viable.

Sordidfairytale · March 9

They don't need to change it, they could just bring Invigorating into line with the other traits that have been adjusted (i.e. Divines) like @code65536 had suggested previously.

But it's not just Invigorating though. Fortified Nirn and Reinforced both cross each others path. If Reinforced simply increased resistance value by a flat 1% instead of being an increase to armor that would get interesting and not affect your armor differently based on the piece or weight.

Fortified Nirn could then be a separate trait that reduced your damage taken from Oblivion damage made you immune to charms and pulls. As an example.

Gabriel_H · March 9

Better question might be, do you use any trait other than Divines, Reinforced and (possibly) Sturdy?

Emeratis · March 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Better question might be, do you use any trait other than Divines, Reinforced and (possibly) Sturdy?

Could vary for others but for armor I've used every trait except for invigorating and nirnhoned before (does anyone use nirnhoned either now that we're talking about this?). If I had to guess those are probably the least used overall and most likely to need tweaked/reworked. Conversely, weapon wise I've used every trait (though as I mentioned before I desperately want the attack speed weapon trait back in some form because I really liked it and wish they didn't take it out of game years ago).

Xarc · March 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Better question might be, do you use any trait other than Divines, Reinforced and (possibly) Sturdy?

If we're only talking about armor traits: In PvP, I can equip pieces with "impenetrable", and a piece with "well fitted" trait for certain builds and depending on specific situations, and in PvE, some characters can be fully equipped with the "training" trait when farming.

Emeratis wrote: »

(does anyone use nirnhoned either now that we're talking about this?)

No, indeed

GloatingSwine · March 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Better question might be, do you use any trait other than Divines, Reinforced and (possibly) Sturdy?

Yeah, my unga bunga overland questing setup is all Training because power doesn't matter so farm XP.

ketsparrowhawk · March 9

Bring Back Prosperous

Sordidfairytale · March 9

Emeratis wrote: »

...does anyone use nirnhoned either now that we're talking about this?

Likely not, however regarding, Heavy and Medium, Reinforced is superior to Fortified Nirncrux on all pieces except your hand and waist slots.

Fortified Nirncrux is superior to Reinforced for every piece of Light Armor.

Vaqual · March 9

On characters that are using all 3 Recovery stats it is quite a bit better than the yields from Recovery Mundus + Divines and adds flexibility since you are not tied to the Mundus Stone Bonus.
And even on characters that do not care about Health Recovery, it is still ca 14 % better than Recovery Mundus + Divines.
I suppose it is established that I am a weirdo but I do in fact use it quite frequently.

If they come up with a sensible change, fine by me. But a non-combat bonus like Prosperous would just be ultra irrelevant. Overall I am happy with just keeping it as it is.

Emeratis · March 9

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Emeratis wrote: »

...does anyone use nirnhoned either now that we're talking about this?

Likely not, however regarding, Heavy and Medium, Reinforced is superior to Fortified Nirncrux on all pieces except your hand and waist slots.

Fortified Nirncrux is superior to Reinforced for every piece of Light Armor.

Noted. I was mostly asking because I know for pvp build/theorycrafting for light armor/healer hijiinks it feels like going different body traits and going protective jewelry feels like a better value so that factors into another reason why I feel nirnhoned is outclassed on armor. Similarly, I feel infused prismatic recovery on jewelry gives you more than invigorating on armor does.

Sordidfairytale · March 9

Emeratis wrote: »

... I feel infused prismatic recovery on jewelry gives you more than invigorating on armor does.

You are correct. 5 pieces of Invigorating armor = 80 recovery. One piece of Base Prismatic Recovery Jewelry = 84 Recovery. (Infused Jewelry is 134)

Turtle_Bot · March 9

The gear traits in general need a complete overhaul, especially the armor traits where there's like 2-3 usable options.

Hopefully it's something that can be looked at in the near future.

Vaqual · March 9

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

Emeratis wrote: »

... I feel infused prismatic recovery on jewelry gives you more than invigorating on armor does.

You are correct. 5 pieces of Invigorating armor = 80 recovery. One piece of Base Prismatic Recovery Jewelry = 84 Recovery. (Infused Jewelry is 134)

And now compare the increments of Divines + Warrior with a WD glyph.....

DrakeHellfire · March 10

If I am ABSOLUTELY minmaxxing a tank build for a HM trial, I'll likely swap out two divines pieces for Invigorating, but that is very rare