IMO the Class Refresh will ultimately come to nothing if ZOS doesn't make them viable in endgame.

moderatelyfatman · March 7

Just a man giving his 2 cents here. I'm not asking for a new meta.

Despite some fairly impressive dummy parses, I would like to see how they actually perform in-game. The new pure classes don't need to beat the arcanist, just get within 10% of the meta in actual content. This will bring back a lot of experienced and long term players who left because their favourite class became a dead carry (e.g nightblade, magsorc, stamwarden etc) in prog groups and endgame content.

Has anyone got any news on whether devs are balancing the class refreshes for actual content or just on spreadsheets?

ISO_Flow · March 7

To my understanding, have they not so far been very competitive? Or even more OP at points which required balancing downward?

We really mostly have data on DK first as its about to release. But unless im mistaken, this has not really been a concern due to how well they have been preforming. Unless ive misse something

moderatelyfatman · March 7

ISO_Flow wrote: »

To my understanding, have they not so far been very competitive? Or even more OP at points which required balancing downward?

We really mostly have data on DK first as its about to release. But unless im mistaken, this has not really been a concern due to how well they have been preforming. Unless ive misse something

I've seen mostly reports on dummy parses where they are overperforming e.g. Skinny Cheeks.
I haven't seen a whole lot of in content reviews or any data from Trials.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 7

Arcanists are only OP because of Fatecarver, DKs seem to have their own version which does not require you to build up crux first.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · March 8

I agree with you ModeratelyFM. Thank you for making this post.

This time, it seems like they are actually doing things the RIGHT way instead of just NERFING things into Oblivion like the original Dragonknight. And a lot of other things.

They shouldn't change the meta (I have one and don't like playing that way at all). I do not particularly like Subclass being the meta and am very tired of the beam and assassination. Changing it now will only make a different meta or make things worse. However, by bringing everything else in line with it, they may actually be able to have it to where there are a multitude of end game possibilities as there should be. Pure Class being included in that.

We all miss seeing different classes out there. Everything is so stagnant and there is no variety. Lucent Citadel with 8 Arcanists makes me want to log out (I heal with my Warden and my sunglasses on instead😎).

10% is not a close enough margin though. Any kind of margin that big will still allow gatekeeping and toxic attitudes if not make it worse.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler People ARE coming back because of the pure class refresh. With the caveat mentioned in this thread, they must not get punished for being their characters in end game. A LOT of the people I've begged to come back, tried to persuade, attempted to incentivise are surprisingly willing to return and some are already here. (These are people we all thought were impossible to bring back. And we tried so many times). This wouldn't have been possible without pure classes being viable, despite our long friendships. Im excited to see the new DK go live. You guys did such a nice job with it, it surprised a ton of vets in the Guild. I particularly liked that you guys actually went to Texas to actually SEE the whips (most of us aren't that lucky😇). Although the Warden has always been my main and favorite character since it's creation, I am beyond excited just to be able to roll around Tamriel as a pure DK once again. And we are all willing to stay to see the refresh through. We will keep routing for more success on this and will do our best to hopefully return more vets to Tamriel due to your efforts.