Pick any of the other 25 activities listed there?

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

Pick any of the other 25 activities listed there?

I know there are other goals that can be accomplished but still, it was just to mention that this goal is impossble to do for those type of people.

They know that, that's why there's more activities than required for the maximum reward.

I think the real issue is there's a unique specific reward tied to "Earn 10 Ranks in a Skill LIne" and some players who have been around long enough may be completely locked out of getting it. They need to be careful about doing this.

Or maybe they should also tie a unique specific reward to a vet task like complete a trial, or complete a vet hm dungeon... but of course that would immediately lead to complaints - why is it ok when done the other way around?



[Edited to be more clear that my concern is that a reward is tied *only* to a task that some players cannot complete, I was not trying to make an xp scroll out to be some amazing unique reward :P ]

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

Pick any of the other 25 activities listed there?

I know there are other goals that can be accomplished but still, it was just to mention that this goal is impossble to do for those type of people.

But it's a non-issue because there are other tasks you can do, so what does it matter if someone can't complete one? You only need twenty and there are twenty-seven to pick from.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

I think the real issue is there's a unique reward tied to "Earn 10 Ranks in a Skill LIne" and some players who have been around long enough may be completely locked out of getting it. They need to be careful about doing this.

Or maybe they should also tie a unique reward to a vet task like complete a trial, or complete a vet hm dungeon... but of course that would immediately lead to complaints - why is it ok when done the other way around?

It's not a unique reward, tho, it's just an exp scroll. If it were a Collectible like a Pet or Body Markings, that would be a unique thing and would be an actual problem. And iirc they have done that before, tied a reward to something like a trial? I THINK they've done it before where a reward was tied to something like PvP or other specific activities rather than just generic PvE tasks (and I don't mean the Pursuits they do for MYM either heh).

RMW wrote: »

And technically it gives you a xp scroll. Not a big miss but if someone wanta to get it they might not be able to

If you've max ranked every skill line on every character in all the buyable slots, XP scrolls are not a problem you're going to be having.

Arunei wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

Pick any of the other 25 activities listed there?

I know there are other goals that can be accomplished but still, it was just to mention that this goal is impossble to do for those type of people.

But it's a non-issue because there are other tasks you can do, so what does it matter if someone can't complete one? You only need twenty and there are twenty-seven to pick from.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

I think the real issue is there's a unique reward tied to "Earn 10 Ranks in a Skill LIne" and some players who have been around long enough may be completely locked out of getting it. They need to be careful about doing this.

Or maybe they should also tie a unique reward to a vet task like complete a trial, or complete a vet hm dungeon... but of course that would immediately lead to complaints - why is it ok when done the other way around?

It's not a unique reward, tho, it's just an exp scroll. If it were a Collectible like a Pet or Body Markings, that would be a unique thing and would be an actual problem.

I mean unique in the sense that it is specific to that task. Sorry for any confusion.

Aaaaah I see. Personally I don't think it's *too* big a deal since it is just an exp scroll, and if someone has been playing long enough that all their characters have all their Skill Lines maxed and have all the characters unlocked they can get...they proooooobably don't need a single exp scroll.

Chances are they have a bunch of XP scrolls in storage somewhere anyway.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Skill line doesn't have to be class line right? I've maxed those but I probably have a weapon line somewhere that isn't leveled

Any Skill Line, yeah. And I doubt there are many people who have unlocked and fully leveled EVERY Skill Line on ALL of their characters. That would be:

All Class Skill Lines
All Weapon Skill Lines
All Armor Skill Lines
All World Skill Lines
All Guild Skill Lines
All Crafting Skill Lines
All PvP Skill Lines

That is a LOT to unlock on one character, let alone numerous. Especially because no one character is going to need to have every single Skill Line unlocked; if your character is a Mag based one for example, you wouldn't gain anything from leveling everything like 1H, 2H, or S&B Skill Lines.

At this point in the game, I've no need to level skills. I can do some creative things to bump up a few unused skills but probably won't bother. 20 out of 27 choices is easy to complete without doing anything I don't want to do - so, overall, I'm pleased with the tasks.

Edit: So for grins, I put a bow in my mages hands, popped an XP scroll and ran some dolmens. Got 5, skill ups, then 10 skill ups and 8 'incursions' in less than an hour. Didn't spend any skill points so didn't slot any bow skills - just had it in my character's hands.

Arunei wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Skill line doesn't have to be class line right? I've maxed those but I probably have a weapon line somewhere that isn't leveled

Any Skill Line, yeah. And I doubt there are many people who have unlocked and fully leveled EVERY Skill Line on ALL of their characters. That would be:

All Class Skill Lines
All Weapon Skill Lines
All Armor Skill Lines
All World Skill Lines
All Guild Skill Lines
All Crafting Skill Lines
All PvP Skill Lines

That is a LOT to unlock on one character, let alone numerous. Especially because no one character is going to need to have every single Skill Line unlocked; if your character is a Mag based one for example, you wouldn't gain anything from leveling everything like 1H, 2H, or S&B Skill Lines.

And not only all class lines of current class, but all subclassing lines too...

I can't do that particular one the Golden Pursuit either only I don't see any issue with it. It's one of 27 or so options ww need to complete 20 of to get full reward. Neither a problem nor worth complaining about imo.

These activities are a reason why we need a new character slot!

Arunei wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Skill line doesn't have to be class line right? I've maxed those but I probably have a weapon line somewhere that isn't leveled

Any Skill Line, yeah. And I doubt there are many people who have unlocked and fully leveled EVERY Skill Line on ALL of their characters. That would be:

All Class Skill Lines
All Weapon Skill Lines
All Armor Skill Lines
All World Skill Lines
All Guild Skill Lines
All Crafting Skill Lines
All PvP Skill Lines

That is a LOT to unlock on one character, let alone numerous. Especially because no one character is going to need to have every single Skill Line unlocked; if your character is a Mag based one for example, you wouldn't gain anything from leveling everything like 1H, 2H, or S&B Skill Lines.

When you play a while, no, not that much. I grinded some skill lines, but not too intensively. I have all class skill lines levelled, including all subclassing skill lines (week 1), all guild skill lines, only a few characters are missing some crafting like enchanting. From weapons, I am missing a few levels on some skill lines, mainly s&b and resto for those that I have not played tank or healer.

But there are players who make master writs and level up not only all the skill lines, but also all the skills, including both morphs. I only pay attention until I can morph all skills.

I wanted to continue cleaning up my spreadsheet, levelling up missing skill lines but the last time there was a golden pursuit with skill line levelling, I decided to not do that. And it paid off. Yesterday I could again equip a shield on one character and level up the s&b skill line 10 levels. Not sure what is going to happen once I have levelled up all skill lines with all characters, so now I have to save them in case a golden pursuit has that pursuit again. (Ok ok, in reality, I probably won't because it's not that serious for me, but I do understand why blocking a player from being able to get some goodies is not the nicest thing to do, even or especially if they are in end game.)

And how do you know you don't need some combination of skill lines and racial passives in the future? Maybe after Warden rework pure class Warden becomes a meta tank and you need that s&b on your Warden. Maybe Wood Elf passives are changed and that replaces Nord and Imperial as the meta race for tanks. Maybe 2h ... maul gets a bonus for blocking and that becomes viable in tanking. Would you prefer to start playing immediately or first grind levels before you can start playing?

Levelling up everything is preparing for the future. That is why I have been levelling up everything. Man, maxxing Psijic on all characters was boring. But having a beer and snacks next to me, funny videos on 2nd screen and running the Psijic on all characters took me about a week. And I maxxed out Mages Guild and got many skyshards for all characters while levelling up Psijic.

I guess it is good I have at least two low level mules. At this point I have hit 3600 and still have hundreds of xp scrolls though.

Not a fan of locking behind things that could one day be useful though. Rather than level skill lines it could have easily been newbie friendly like kill 50-100 goblins, undead, orcs, even wild animals.

Enemoriana wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

Levelling up everything is preparing for the future. That is why I have been levelling up everything.

Including legerdemain, scrying, ww and vampire on all characters?

Good point. Won't be scrying and playing WW on all characters.

Arunei wrote: »

Aaaaah I see. Personally I don't think it's *too* big a deal since it is just an exp scroll, and if someone has been playing long enough that all their characters have all their Skill Lines maxed and have all the characters unlocked they can get...they proooooobably don't need a single exp scroll.

Yeah I hear you, it's not a big deal, I really wasn't trying to make it into one.

My feedback to zos is simply that zos should be very careful when they include tasks that potentially *cannot* be completed by some portion of the playerbase. Sometimes their teams don't communicate or coordinate well so I wanted to flag it as a potential issue for them.

I absolutely think an xp scroll is appropriate for a player who still has skill lines to level up and that's fine. Overall I'm happy with the pursuit.

Though I would like to see additional challenging tasks included for vet players as well, as these pursuits are extremely boring. But I recognize that the overall pursuit should be able to be completed by the majority of players and I wouldn't want that changed.