Stop nerfing tanks. This stuff is dumb.

eternalshockcable · February 28

If i can engage in tanking with the whole faction and one person is dumping 72k damage alone y'all need to balance the HP to where it scales per number of enemies and dps of said enemies of if they're unrealistically dumping 72k by their selves that's where the system should go "nah thats's not right and increase the tank's hp".

So lameman's terms i should have 800k close to a million Hp to deal with the fights that I'm in. There no point to tanking if you're just going to nerf the sh*t into the ground all the time. But without proper tanking these zergs are just flipping stuff easily because there is no counter.

Its killing the game. Nerfing tanks as badly as y'all do there nothing but otherball group bs gameplay. No one is queing up for these other camps because they don't want this small scale 20 people flipping everything. That stuff is boring it doesn't require skill. But tanking 20 people that requires skill, gear, rotation and not getting screwed over by nerfs.

Oblivion_Protocol · February 28

eternalshockcable wrote: »

If i can engage in tanking with the whole faction and one person is dumping 72k damage alone y'all need to balance the HP to where it scales per number of enemies and dps of said enemies of if they're unrealistically dumping 72k by their selves that's where the system should go "nah thats's not right and increase the tank's hp".

So lameman's terms i should have 800k close to a million Hp to deal with the fights that I'm in. There no point to tanking if you're just going to nerf the sh*t into the ground all the time. But without proper tanking these zergs are just flipping stuff easily because there is no counter.

Its killing the game. Nerfing tanks as badly as y'all do there nothing but otherball group bs gameplay. No one is queing up for these other camps because they don't want this small scale 20 people flipping everything. That stuff is boring it doesn't require skill. But tanking 20 people that requires skill, gear, rotation and not getting screwed over by nerfs.

I was ready to agree with you because I thought you were talking about PvE tanking. But once I saw that you were talking about PvP, any sense of solidarity went up in flames.

As someone who’s played a block tank that could hold off a dozen people for twenty minutes straight…there’s no skill in that. Just hold block while wearing the right gear and keeping your heals up.

Tanking and damage have been in an ever-escalating arms race for at least the last six years. I started playing this game in 2020, and back then, having 28k HP made you a juggernaut on the battlefield. Now? It makes you a liability at best. So you end up with these 40k HP builds that can shrug off nukes. We’ve ended up in this situation where every time you fight, you either die in three seconds or you couldn’t kill the person even if they just mashed the keyboard with their face. Or both.

You said that people don’t like playing against 20-person zergs. Have you considered that maybe 20 people shouldn’t be incapable of killing one tanky player in a straight-up fight? And that’s with current levels of HP. You want close to a million HP? No. Hell no.

While I don’t think PvP tanks should be nerfed into absolute uselessness, you shouldn’t get to be immortal with the health of a DLC dungeon boss just because you held down a button and occasionally walked away from siege fire.

eternalshockcable · March 2

Yes, that's how tanking works you're supposed to be a "TANK".

El_Borracho · March 2

If he gets 800k HP, I want 800k DPS

Being a tank is not being immortal.

Major_Toughness · March 2

What nerfs are you talking about? You did not mention any, and everyone only got more tanky since subclassing allows for near-immortal build, not sure what tank nerfs there have been.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 2

eternalshockcable wrote: »

Yes, that's how tanking works you're supposed to be a "TANK".

And you can be a tank in PvP just fine without being immortal. There’s a line between ‘hard-to-kill’ and ‘unkillable’, and you want to cross that line at the speed of light. People are already difficult enough to kill without being dedicated tanks, and you want to add nearly a million HP to that? This again I say unto thee..hell no.

Maximus_Mudcrab · March 4

Stop nerfing tanks in PVP? Did I read that correctly? I would actually love to see tanks removed from PVP.

Avran_Sylt · March 4

eternalshockcable wrote: »

Yes, that's how tanking works you're supposed to be a "TANK".

Well where's my disposable anti-tank rocket?

Kalthea · March 9

First: The role of a Tank is not to absorb damage, it is to hold an enemy's attention. This often comes along with handling mechanics, and calling out incoming mechanics to the party.

Second: There are no tanks in PvP. Someone can be tank-Y, but they will never be an actual Tank.

Third: You are essentially demanding to be unkillable. Scaling HP per enemy player would get out of hand so rapidly that it would instantly become the meta to have just enough gear to be considered a "Tank" (by whatever metric you may measure that with) and then make the rest of your build focused entirely in ways to destroy enemies with large amounts of health. It will NOT be as fun as you think.

eternalshockcable · March 10

you clearly never tanked

Kalthea · March 10

eternalshockcable wrote: »

you clearly never tanked

On the contrary, I have tanked in literally every MMO where I am able to do so.

While a tank is ABLE to absorb damage, that is not their primary role.

Let's take Vanilla WoW as an example. Tanks literally COULD NOT perform their role without being the first to pull the aggro from the enemy and build it up for some time to get onto the top of the charts. This was because DPS classes would take all of the enemy's attention and die quickly, resulting in an entire party wiping out due to the tank not being able to hold the enemy's attention.

If you're going to talk about Purely PvP Tanking, I should note my second and third points in my previous post. If someone is TOO TANKY TO DIE, then that WILL become meta, and then people will just juggle the objective forever.

eternalshockcable · March 10

No. Clearly you have not. Absorbing damage is there primary role.
You just have no ide what you're talking about.

Good day.

Adamus · March 10

Assuming this is satirical.

If not, maybe PvP just isn't for you.

Kalthea · March 10

Adamus wrote: »

Assuming this is satirical.

If not, maybe PvP just isn't for you.

Certainly seems that way, judging by the feedback. I wouldn't blame anyone for writing off the entire dicussion.

Oblivion_Protocol · March 10

eternalshockcable wrote: »

No. Clearly you have not. Absorbing damage is there primary role.
You just have no ide what you're talking about.

Good day.

Question: What good is absorbing damage if you go ignored? You could have five billion HP, but if you can’t hold aggro, the boss will wipe everyone and you will fail. A tank’s primary job is to hold the enemy’s attention. That’s why there is a difference between being “tanky” and being “a tank”.

And as someone who has both fought and played the PvP tank role, I can confidently say that no one wants these things to get out of control. Can you be an effective tank now? Yes, with skill. But you don’t want to use skill. You just want to sit in block all day and be unkillable. Or worse, you just want to be unkillable without even having to block.

Velocious_Curse · March 10

The fact ive fought you, and you consider your build a tank. Is laughable.
The fact you think you should have x amount of health because other people have x amount of damage is also laughable.
On that same hand people can say, we'll he has this much health so I should be able to do this much damage. It's a never ending circle.

You put together a good build, practice it and you wont have any issues.

Palumtra · March 11

Tanking is generally a PvE term.
In PvP Tanking is just A) being a chonky DPS

being a chonky support
I'm not a PvP pro in ESO by any means but from what I've seen it's possible to absorb/withstand high amounts of damage with the right build and skill.

ViggyBoi · March 19

I dont Cyro much but I do love me a BG and IC. Its my personal opinion that tanks ruin the game. Atleast in a flags game context which is most of the time. Death match? Sure whatever you're annoying but can be dealt with last. Overworld? Ok if you just wanna hold block then I can just leave and do something else. But IC caps or BG flag games, its so utterly boring just having tanks just sit on flags and do literally nothing. Not engaging, not fun, not worth the 20 minute queue. Honestly much rather have my hairline evaporated by some insane ganker and go 42-0 because atleast then the match might end sooner.

Just my opinion though, play the way you want.

BXR_Lonestar · March 26

eternalshockcable wrote: »

No. Clearly you have not. Absorbing damage is there primary role.
You just have no ide what you're talking about.

Good day.

Absorbing damage isn't a "role." Its what tanks DO. The role is to draw agro and attention away from squishier party members. The role is using crowd control to interfere with/obstruct/or redirect enemy movement. The role is to try to position the enemy so your teammates have the opportunity to hit the enemy from a more advantageous position.

And in PVE or PVP, the tankiest characters are often not the ones with the most health, but the ones who are most well rounded - meaning they have good resource management, a decedent amount of health, and varied methods of reducing damage taken and/or heals over time. Most often, the tankiest characters are not the ones running around with 75-85k health, but are running somewhere between 42-45k health, and can block forever since the left trigger is OP.

kevkj · March 26

Hey is this the guy who cheats and sends inappropriate direct messages

aLi3nZ · March 27

What nerfs to tanks?

ImPoStier · March 28

Tanks ruin PvP the less of them the better