PvP etiquette in Open World (watching or helping)

Arboz · February 23

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

Casul · February 23

If a crowd had formed and duels are happening, then I watch. Otherwise I’m there to protect my comrades.

Thumbless_Bot · February 23

If two people are fighting leave them alone. If 2v2 are fighting leave them alone. If you see your team is outnumbered go ahead and help even though you might be messing up their clip. If your team is outnumbering the other team stay away... that's zerging. Also agree with Casul.

emilyhyoyeon · February 23

If two people are fighting in ''active'' areas, like near or in a keep/objective, and are in plain view, then that's not really a reasonable place to duel, so I will join. In that kind of case, I'd say it's poor etiquette to not help.

IMO if two people want to do an equal numbers duel, they should make a good faith effort to not let it be confused with two random people fighting.

AllenaNightWood · February 23

i think if people are doing a 1v1 2v2 you leave them be because sweeping in and killing them off takes all honor out of it but not like most people in pvp have any anyways

Thumbless_Bot · February 23

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

If two people are fighting in ''active'' areas, like near or in a keep/objective, and are in plain view, then that's not really a reasonable place to duel, so I will join. In that kind of case, I'd say it's poor etiquette to not help.

IMO if two people want to do an equal numbers duel, they should make a good faith effort to not let it be confused with two random people fighting.

Disagree but I understand your perspective. If there is a fair fight in an outer corner of a keep then leave it be. That's my opinion anyway.

If they are on flags in cyro, then all is fair. In IC flags are meaningless, let them fight.

ToddIngram · February 23

Arboz wrote: »

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

If people want to duel they can do it outside of Cyrodiil.

There are few things more enraging than jumping in to help someone and then they stop fighting because they wanted a private fight in a public arena. When this happens I usually just go stand behind the guy who was dueling and hope they get the hint. I usually try to remember their names too, so I remember to never to help them with anything, ever, because they don't want help.

SneaK · February 23

Everyone should die, I can’t respect a 1v1 next to a busy keep, sorry but no. And people conveniently choose not to fight certain people cause they are afraid to lose. This drives me nuts and happens all the time. And in the current meta it’s hard to respect anyone frankly, first sergeant WardenSorcBlades in Null with Charm 1v1ing outside of sej, yeaaaa ok.

TLDR, within tic range = gang gang

CalamityCat · February 23

If I see someone from my alliance fighting anyone in Cyro or IC I always help, at least healing and often I'll join in to ensure our side wins. Never had any complaints.

Thing is, if it's not a duel and my ally dies in Cyro, there isn't always a camp up etc. So I won't risk them dying if I know we're unsupported. I prefer having my team mates alive and nearby, not spread out because someone died needlessly and has to ride out to our location.

In IC, if I know our side has that area and they're going to rez just around the corner, it's less of an issue

If you want a proper duel in PvP areas, I think it's better to do so inside a building somewhere out the way so it's less likely to be interrupted.

tsaescishoeshiner · February 23

Someone who messages you that is probably feeling salty about having their opportunity to 1v1 taken away, but that doesn't mean you've done something wrong. You can't tell, without asking, if someone is down for help or not. But really, they can't quite expect a stranger to think they're not allowed to join.

I'm much more likely to intervene in Cyrodiil, where if the enemy player wins, they may go on to kill more of your alliance, making everyone waste time riding around on their horse again. I would rather send them packing, and they can duel in Stormhaven if they want.

Orbital78 · February 23

Who cares? It is open world, anything goes. Always use offline mode in Cyrodiil and you'll have a more enjoyable experience.

Arboz · February 23

Alright, understood, from now on I will engage in every fight, not expecting that they want to fight privately.
Thanks for responses!

frogthroat · February 23

If you see me 1v1 with a player from your alliance, let us 1v1. But do stay and watch, because after I am done with that player, I am coming after you. Much easier to kill you guys when you are just by yourself.

Especially in IC. Just stay nicely a little bit away, watching. Don't interfere. Remember to always have as many telvars on you as possible. Check the crown store while you are waiting for me to finish your fellow alliance player. That's the nice thing to do.

Yudo · February 23

If they are near objectives, they cannot expect to fish for pray, and then complain we did not get in line

If you think they are dueling, just leave it. Or don't, you decide.

It is not always clear, so both parties should try to show the same respect and understanding.
But as with loose rules, expect to be betrayed and if you go on a KOS spree because one too many betrayals, eh so be it

In the end, I would argue is more in your right to engage with targets in open world, then not to, though is nice when respect works out.

Frayton · February 23

I'd help. If they wanted to 1v1 duel and not notify anyone else, they should've found somewhere else to do it. How am I supposed to know?

Paramedicus · February 23

cuddles_with_wroble · 4:19AM

Arboz wrote: »

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

The correct thing to do is wait to see who’s winning, if it’s your faction mate winning than you don’t help but if the enemy starts winning you gank them and whisper “good fight”

Arboz · 5:55AM

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

Arboz wrote: »

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

The correct thing to do is wait to see who’s winning, if it’s your faction mate winning than you don’t help but if the enemy starts winning you gank them and whisper “good fight”

In my case, thats what I wanted to do (without whispering to the enemy, but ready to help if my faction mate risks to lose).
Problem was, that both seemed to be very equal, and suddenly, within 1-2 seconds, his Health bar dropped almost instantly.
Thus I realized that I cant wait and watch, fight can be over surprisingly quick, so one should act without delay.

frogthroat · 8:19AM

Arboz wrote: »

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

Arboz wrote: »

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

The correct thing to do is wait to see who’s winning, if it’s your faction mate winning than you don’t help but if the enemy starts winning you gank them and whisper “good fight”

In my case, thats what I wanted to do (without whispering to the enemy, but ready to help if my faction mate risks to lose).
Problem was, that both seemed to be very equal, and suddenly, within 1-2 seconds, his Health bar dropped almost instantly.
Thus I realized that I cant wait and watch, fight can be over surprisingly quick, so one should act without delay.

While you watch, remember that every second counts. And each second you delay is a thank you from the enemy. So instead of Mississippis, you can count "one thanksfromtheenemy two thanksfromtheenemy three thanksfromtheenemy".

SwordOfSagas · 9:57AM

No mercy, kill on sight. Even if it's two level 10 new to game on different factions, I'm killing both for that sweet sweet AP!

CalamityCat · 1:46PM

Arboz wrote: »

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

Arboz wrote: »

Whats the consensus about helping or watching if two people fight in Cyrodiil or IC?
For me, it always felt like staying outside from a duel, but fighting if three or more people.
Today, I received the criticism to not having helped during such a „duel“, so Im curious how you handle this.

The correct thing to do is wait to see who’s winning, if it’s your faction mate winning than you don’t help but if the enemy starts winning you gank them and whisper “good fight”

In my case, thats what I wanted to do (without whispering to the enemy, but ready to help if my faction mate risks to lose).
Problem was, that both seemed to be very equal, and suddenly, within 1-2 seconds, his Health bar dropped almost instantly.
Thus I realized that I cant wait and watch, fight can be over surprisingly quick, so one should act without delay.

Yeah, that's the sort of fight that prompted me to support my alliance mates even if it is just a heal or two. I'm always appreciative of others helping me in a fight, especially as I used to be a pure PvP healer and needed about 3 weeks to kill anyone in a duel

BXR_Lonestar · 3:10PM

There's no duels in Cyrodil. If I'm not off to a priority target, I'm stopping to help my teammate.

frogthroat · 3:20PM

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

There's no duels in Cyrodil. If I'm not off to a priority target, I'm stopping to help my teammate.

^^this

When you come across with a 1v1 in Cyro (or IC) you are helping no matter what you do. If you join, you are helping your own team. If you don't join, you are helping the enemy.

Reverb · 5:10PM

Anyone fighting in the vicinity of a keep, outpost, or capturable town should expect others to jump in. Anyone who wants a “fair fight” in cyro needs to arrange for that to happen away from contested areas. But I’m not going to help anyone who chases troll builds or 1xX streamers into a tower or rock formation, you’re on your own for that mess.