Which side of the Colovian Counter, Bar is the Front?

SilverBride · February 15

Which side of the Colovian Counter, Bar is the front? Is it the longer overhang as shown on the left? Or is it the shorter overhang as shown on the right? I am not sure if I am displaying the correct side in my houses.

Syldras · February 15

Traditionally, the longer overhang is supposed to be the front side.

SilverBride · February 15

I was afraid of that but it is hard to tell when they look exactly the same on both sides. And it actually sits against the wall or windowsills better the other way.

I have some each way. I may tweak them to be the same or not.

SilverBride · February 15

Now I am questioning that the long overhang is the front, because when I go to place it from my inventory, it always places it with the short overhang in front. So it seems that may be the default.

Syldras · February 15

Then the people in Tamriel seem to do it differently than the people of the real world. Or it's just bugged, like those paintings that will stick into the wall horizontally if you try to hang them.

SilverBride · February 15

I didn't notice it at first because it's not a big overhang, but I started looking and I had some each way. I spent some time rotating them all to be the same.

My friend and I thought the loading screen to Merrivine showed them with the short side in front but it's hard to tell for sure. And he said the ones that came with the Julianos house had the long side facing the wall, but I removed mine and didn't pay attention to how it was.

But we also wondered is it just another bugged furnishing because it does seem like the other way would be right.

@Syldras What paintings do that?

Syldras · February 16

SilverBride wrote: »

What paintings do that?

I'm not sure which one it was. I did a lot of furnishing stuff lately and remember being annoying by it being bugged. It might also have been a map, tapestry or wall plaque or similar, I can only remember it was something to hang on a wall - so, more correctly, I should have said "wall adornment". I know they've fixed a few of those over the years, but a few are not fixed yet.

DenverRalphy · February 16

The Colovian Counter Bar is also a pain because that counter piece has corner caps on it that don't match the Counter Block and Counter Corner. So you can't connect them unless you use two block section in place of one bar section.

Incidentally, the corner section lines up with the Short overhang being the front face.

SilverBride · February 16

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Incidentally, the corner section lines up with the Short overhang being the front face.

Maybe it really is meant to be that way then. It just seems backward.

LootAllTheStuff · February 16

With paintings, I've had several do that but I had always assumed it was an issue with the wall. On XBox, you can click to align with the surface. If there's a step in the wall (like a panel or a moulding) you can end up with the object aligning to the wrong face and clipping into the wall at right angles.

SilverBride · February 16

The difference in the overhangs is so minimal that I don't know why they even bothered to make them different.

Elvenheart · February 16

Well, based upon placing the counter from inventory, ZOS has it created to where the side with the overhang is the backside of the furnishing. When you place it, the front is facing you and that’s the side with no overhang.

Elvenheart · February 16

On one hand, the design would favor the bartender’s feet having a place when he is standing behind the bar. On the other hand, the overhang could be a place where patron’s feet would be when they are standing at the bar, or sitting on a stool.

Other counters have open spaces and shelves that clearly indicate which is the front and the back. It’s odd how this one looks the same on both sides. The corner piece doesn’t help much, but if you turn it the way it normally goes it does not have an overhang on the front side where it would meet up with the counter, and it has a little notch on the back corner.

And again, ZOS made the side without the overhang the front when you place it, and in the placed version that came with the Julianos house the front was the side with no overhang. And in the loading screen for the Merryvine house, it looks like the front of the bar there is the one with no overhang.

Elvenheart · February 16

Elvenheart · February 16

On a side note, I cannot wait till we get more decorating slots for the Merryvine house! 😊

SilverBride · February 16

Me, too. It's one of the few houses I maxed my slots on and I'd like to fill it out some more.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 16

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What paintings do that?

I'm not sure which one it was. I did a lot of furnishing stuff lately and remember being annoying by it being bugged. It might also have been a map, tapestry or wall plaque or similar, I can only remember it was something to hang on a wall - so, more correctly, I should have said "wall adornment". I know they've fixed a few of those over the years, but a few are not fixed yet.

It's pretty much any painting, also many other furnishings that goes on walls. If you try align them to the surface they align their edges align to it, not the back, so the painting face the floor or ceiling instead.

SilverBride · February 16

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What paintings do that?

I'm not sure which one it was. I did a lot of furnishing stuff lately and remember being annoying by it being bugged. It might also have been a map, tapestry or wall plaque or similar, I can only remember it was something to hang on a wall - so, more correctly, I should have said "wall adornment". I know they've fixed a few of those over the years, but a few are not fixed yet.

It's pretty much any painting, also many other furnishings that goes on walls. If you try align them to the surface they align their edges align to it, not the back, so the painting face the floor or ceiling instead.

I don't click to align paintings or any wall art. I just place the item against the wall then use the precision editor to tweak it until it sits flat and where I want it.

The only furnishing I click to align are flowers and plants in my yard, and then only if it's not on a flat spot.

katanagirl1 · February 17

Hmmm. Now I need to go look at the counters in my Merryvine house. It seems I’m very unobservant.

SilverBride · February 17

It's not a very noticable difference.

Making a slightly longer overhang on one side doesn't make it a true bar. A true bar would have shelves on the backside and a different look on the front. It would not be ornately decorated on the backside.

And a true bar would have a much more prominent overhang.

DenverRalphy · February 17

If you look at it closely.. One side hangs over more simply because the top isn't centered. My guess is that the block and bar pieces had their tops offset a bit to fit properly with the corner piece.

I spent more time than I wanted to building with those pieces when they first came out. The flowers/stars along the top don't fit uniformly either when you connect them.

Some would say it's minor.. but when you're building, once you see it you can't unsee it. Like the screenshot below when I first started fitting the pieces together.

And here is what I was talking about the end caps not matching.. Bar on the left, block on the right.

SilverBride · February 17

DenverRalphy wrote: »

One side hangs over more simply because the top isn't centered.

Is this what is really going on? That's the best explanation so far.

But I wonder why they call it a bar when it really isn't.