Dibella's Blessing - Hearts Day Website Typo?

AScarlato · February 11

Did the website mean to say "Dibella's Blessing"? Opening the article only Mara is mentioned. Ran a search for Dibella who didn't appear at all.

Syldras · February 11

Must be a typo. Despite there being a few changes from what was first seen on PTS (changes for the better, as there were sadly lots of lore mistakes), Dibella never played any role in this event.

AScarlato · February 11

I figured as much - but only was able to get 2 quests done before work so wasn't sure if somehow they threw Dibella into this event too.

As a RPer who cares about the lore, and created a guild called "Mara's Embrace," I do care about what Mara-related lore they create - so I just felt throwing Dibella on the website headline was odd to say the least.

ZOS_Kevin · February 11

So this was not intended to be a typo. Dibella is also known as Lady of Love, so mentioning Dibella was to play off of that. However, given only Mara was mentioned in the article, totally understand why this was viewed as a typo. We are going to amend the copy.

AScarlato · February 11

Thank you for this update; it was a bit confusing if Dibella doesn't have presence in this event to be the headline diety.

LootAllTheStuff · February 11

Also, Dibella and Mara don't quite share the same space!

AScarlato · February 11

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Also, Dibella and Mara don't quite share the same space!

A setting where we are all spreading "Dibella's blessings" may be playing with fire lol

FlameDark · February 11

It would be a much more interesting event with sanguine and dibella instead

AScarlato · February 11

FlameDark wrote: »

It would be a much more interesting event with sanguine and dibella instead

Shield my innocent Maran eyes!

Tyrvarion · February 11

Dibella was actually mentioned in crownstore packs for Heart's Day furnishings in the past. In general the holiday seems to be mostly Mara (with a little bit of darker Sanguine past) and a tiny bit of Dibella. It's quite confusing but imo more than fine. Makes sense if there's a little bit of overlap.

Aliyavana · February 11

Dibella does have an implied presence with the dibella’s outfit style last year during heart’s day endeavor, and with the heart’s day furnishing pack mentioning her. It’s just Mara is the primary presence.

AScarlato · February 11

Maybe next year they can have someone in the game quests represent Dibella; so far I've only seen Mara focused on (and Sanguine) as far as the content in the game.

Until that happens, I will advocate for my beloved Mara while you can all enjoy your huge statues and gardens, and a prior entire year of Dibella stuff from tickets

Syldras · February 11

Tyrvarion wrote: »

Dibella was actually mentioned in crownstore packs for Heart's Day furnishings in the past. In general the holiday seems to be mostly Mara (with a little bit of darker Sanguine past) and a tiny bit of Dibella. It's quite confusing but imo more than fine. Makes sense if there's a little bit of overlap.

The first version of this event as seen on PTS was more or less a story about duality, and the Mara priest even gave a moral lesson on how "love and lust both belong to a fulfilled life" so participating in Sanguine stuff was healthy and good or something. Also: "Mara loves everyone!", including daedric princes, it seems... These dialogue parts were rewritten for the final version after criticism came up on the PTS forum (and I really, really appreciate the changes).

Also, the event originally didn't have Mara's parcels, but these:

Sanguine appreciating the spreading of love... Also led to criticism and was corrected before the event went live.

AScarlato · February 11

Syldras wrote: »

Tyrvarion wrote: »

Dibella was actually mentioned in crownstore packs for Heart's Day furnishings in the past. In general the holiday seems to be mostly Mara (with a little bit of darker Sanguine past) and a tiny bit of Dibella. It's quite confusing but imo more than fine. Makes sense if there's a little bit of overlap.

The first version of this event as seen on PTS was more or less a story about duality, and the Mara priest even gave a moral lesson on how "love and lust both belong to a fulfilled life" so participating in Sanguine stuff was healthy and good or something. Also: "Mara loves everyone!", including daedric princes, it seems... These dialogue parts were rewritten for the final version after criticism came up on the PTS forum (and I really, really appreciate the changes).

Also, the event originally didn't have Mara's parcels, but these:

Sanguine appreciating the spreading of love... Also led to criticism and was corrected before the event went live.

I'm glad people on the PTS watch out for these things, since what happens in ESO is being integrated into broader lore.

Tyrvarion · February 11

I mean Sanguine *was* associated with this holiday since as early as TES 2, so I see no reason not to mention that, though naturally Mara's parcels are more fitting rewards. And yes I am aware of the story of the event, just saying that just because the event story has some quests that are primarily Mara and Sanguine related doesn't mean there's no lore about Dibella's links to the celebrations either, even if its a small involvement.

Syldras · February 11

AScarlato wrote: »

I'm glad people on the PTS watch out for these things, since what happens in ESO is being integrated into broader lore.

It's the main reason I participate on the PTS when I have enough time, since I think once it's released, the chances that it will ever get fixed are much lower (But it does sometimes happen, like with that botched Naryu dialogue at the Zenithar festival back in the High Isle year, where the player character had to ask her in dialogue how she saved the Tribunal...). So I keep an eye on that as early as I can, when ever I can.

Syldras · February 11

Tyrvarion wrote: »

I mean Sanguine *was* associated with this holiday since as early as TES 2, so I see no reason not to mention that, though naturally Mara's parcels are more fitting rewards. And yes I am aware of the story of the event, just saying that just because the event story has some quests that are primarily Mara and Sanguine related doesn't mean there's no lore about Dibella's links to the celebrations either, even if its a small involvement.

I have no problem with Sanguine showing up at the festival to usurp it. It fits to the entity he is. Also, Heart's Day is on the same day as his summoning day.

What was lore breaking was a Mara priest being absolutely okay with him causing trouble at Mara's festival and even calling Sanguine's doings good and healthy. It was another trivialisation of a Daedric Prince; the "See, they're actually not that bad and let's just all be friends!" that I also disliked about the Sanguine quests on Solstice.

Also, Sanguine was never about love. Lust - yes, but his main thing is excess. Which means: No rules, no boundaries, no consent, no sanity. This isn't exactly "healthy" and I'm quite sure it's nothing a priest of the Divines would endorse. If they insisted on making it a "Physical aspects of love are also important!" message, they should have talked about Mara and Dibella, not Mara and Sanguine.

Though I generally don't enjoy such in-your-face "lessons" in stories. It's a game for adults, who are surely capable to observing things and coming to their own conclusions without needing everything spelled out to them.

AScarlato · February 11

Syldras wrote: »

What was lore breaking was a Mara priest being absolutely okay with him causing trouble at Mara's festival and even calling Sanguine's doings good and healthy. It was another trivialisation of a Daedric Prince; the "See, they're actually not that bad and let's just all be friends!" that I also disliked about the Sanguine quests on Solstice.

I can only image how the original version was written, because I already left the live version of this quest wondering how the NPC was an ordained Priest of Mara and not some Khajiit who found a Mara robe lying around on the road.

In the quest we are told that Sanguine can distort / pervert feelings of love in such a way that can result in violent death. Sounds great from the Sanguine aspect. So then I go to the Mara Priest for advice, as the quest directives say we can do, and he pretty much didn't seem to care all that much - despite the possibility of the cultist to kill people there to celebrate Heart's Day. I even got paid for continuing to help the cultist.

I have no idea if choosing the "evil" option in the quest results in death, since for me the quest was bugged and the NPCs in question did not move when I was told to look at them and "enjoy the show" by the cultist.

Syldras · February 12

AScarlato wrote: »

In the quest we are told that Sanguine can distort / pervert feelings of love in such a way that can result in violent death.

Where does that line come up? I didn't see it on the character I played today, but maybe that's because he refused to participate in all Sanguine shenanigans immediately (no frog, no blood, no cursed instruments)? He basically directly went to the Mara priest to tell him about something potentially dangerous going on, and the priest's only reply was that I should decide for my own whether to participate in that woman's games or not, and that I shouldn't worry, since even if a Sanguine cultist shows up, Sanguine himself surely won't. Which also felt too naive to me, but it wasn't a too extreme contradiction, at least.

I'll test the other dialogue options on another character tomorrow.

AScarlato wrote: »

I have no idea if choosing the "evil" option in the quest results in death, since for me the quest was bugged and the NPCs in question did not move when I was told to look at them and "enjoy the show" by the cultist.

I used the friendly option there, but nonetheless some very disharmonic melody started to play, but the outcome was positive (The lovers being fine and talking about going out together or something like that? It was a bit hard to hear because there was so much noise from exploding flashy mounts from players who left the location), but the cultist also seemed happy with the outcome, for unknown reasons. Didn't seem completely right either.

AllenaNightWood · February 12

would love to see some events like this one tied to dibella aswell maybe in the future

LootAllTheStuff · February 12

Syldras wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

In the quest we are told that Sanguine can distort / pervert feelings of love in such a way that can result in violent death.

Where does that line come up? I didn't see it on the character I played today, but maybe that's because he refused to participate in all Sanguine shenanigans immediately (no frog, no blood, no cursed instruments)? He basically directly went to the Mara priest to tell him about something potentially dangerous going on, and the priest's only reply was that I should decide for my own whether to participate in that woman's games or not, and that I shouldn't worry, since even if a Sanguine cultist shows up, Sanguine himself surely won't. Which also felt too naive to me, but it wasn't a too extreme contradiction, at least.

I'll test the other dialogue options on another character tomorrow.

It may be referring to when you go to pick up the instruments - you actually have a choice there, and you're told what the consequences associated with your choice may be.

I chose wisely!

Syldras · February 12

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

It may be referring to when you go to pick up the instruments - you actually have a choice there, and you're told what the consequences associated with your choice may be.
I chose wisely!

My character today chose to trick the cultist (if that's even possible...) by fetching the uncursed ones instead of the cursed ones, and in that task before that by fetching red wine instead of blood (At least I think it's meant as tricking the cultist, since the dialogue tells us to get blood, not "blood or wine"? Even if I'd assume that one would easily notice the difference), and in the frog situation, my character outright refused.

When it comes to the instruments, I had no dialogue telling me about what difference there would be depending on my choice, I just assumed that not using the cursed ones would be less lethal for the people involved, so I chose that.

I honestly don't even know what happens (or is supposed to happen) if we use the cursed instruments, since when I tried it on PTS back then, it was also bugged for me and I saw absolutely nothing. The way I know Sanguine, I'd expect the lovers to turn into wild animals and kill each other; but, on the other hand, Sanguine was so horribly tame on Solstice, that I'm somehow in doubt we'd see anything like that.

AScarlato · February 12

Syldras wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

In the quest we are told that Sanguine can distort / pervert feelings of love in such a way that can result in violent death.

Where does that line come up? I didn't see it on the character I played today, but maybe that's because he refused to participate in all Sanguine shenanigans immediately (no frog, no blood, no cursed instruments)? He basically directly went to the Mara priest to tell him about something potentially dangerous going on, and the priest's only reply was that I should decide for my own whether to participate in that woman's games or not, and that I shouldn't worry, since even if a Sanguine cultist shows up, Sanguine himself surely won't. Which also felt too naive to me, but it wasn't a too extreme contradiction, at least.

I'll test the other dialogue options on another character tomorrow.

AScarlato wrote: »

I have no idea if choosing the "evil" option in the quest results in death, since for me the quest was bugged and the NPCs in question did not move when I was told to look at them and "enjoy the show" by the cultist.

I used the friendly option there, but nonetheless some very disharmonic melody started to play, but the outcome was positive (The lovers being fine and talking about going out together or something like that? It was a bit hard to hear because there was so much noise from exploding flashy mounts from players who left the location), but the cultist also seemed happy with the outcome, for unknown reasons. Didn't seem completely right either.

The line was more the NPC holding the instruments stating that the enchantments on the one set of instruments could result in people tearing each other apart. Since we were supposed to be "helping" lovers come out with their feelings I interpreted the instrument as influencing the emotions being discussed in an extreme way.

I picked the lighter option but oustide of music nothing happened, they stood in place and didn't even speak. Telling the priest what was happening didn't give me an option to just end the quest, even though I talked to him twice - so wasn't sure what it meant to choose whether to participate or not. I guess that means to pick the options that were "no I won't do that?"

Also at the end when we had the big "hug" moment nothing happened for me again, just stood there and then I ended up clicking on a book behind him and there was no option to try again. Oh well.

Was really looking forward to the event but the bugs put a dampener a bit on this for me. Still enjoyed it overall. OUtside the bugs and maybe the 3rd of 4 quests kind of going on for too long without it really being interesting.

Syldras · February 12

AScarlato wrote: »

The line was more the NPC holding the instruments stating that the enchantments on the one set of instruments could result in people tearing each other apart. Since we were supposed to be "helping" lovers come out with their feelings I interpreted the instrument as influencing the emotions being discussed in an extreme way.

Interesting. I play a translation and the only tiny bit of info I got was that the "cursed" instruments would cause "more passionate" reactions, and that I could also choose other instruments for a "more gentle" reaction instead.

AScarlato · February 12

Syldras wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

The line was more the NPC holding the instruments stating that the enchantments on the one set of instruments could result in people tearing each other apart. Since we were supposed to be "helping" lovers come out with their feelings I interpreted the instrument as influencing the emotions being discussed in an extreme way.

Interesting. I play a translation and the only tiny bit of info I got was that the "cursed" instruments would cause "more passionate" reactions, and that I could also choose other instruments for a "more gentle" reaction instead.

Well, that is one way to look at "more passionate" haha. But yes, what I heard gave a bit more detail.

LootAllTheStuff · February 12

Syldras wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

It may be referring to when you go to pick up the instruments - you actually have a choice there, and you're told what the consequences associated with your choice may be.
I chose wisely!

My character today chose to trick the cultist (if that's even possible...) by fetching the uncursed ones instead of the cursed ones, and in that task before that by fetching red wine instead of blood (At least I think it's meant as tricking the cultist, since the dialogue tells us to get blood, not "blood or wine"? Even if I'd assume that one would easily notice the difference), and in the frog situation, my character outright refused.

When it comes to the instruments, I had no dialogue telling me about what difference there would be depending on my choice, I just assumed that not using the cursed ones would be less lethal for the people involved, so I chose that.

I honestly don't even know what happens (or is supposed to happen) if we use the cursed instruments, since when I tried it on PTS back then, it was also bugged for me and I saw absolutely nothing. The way I know Sanguine, I'd expect the lovers to turn into wild animals and kill each other; but, on the other hand, Sanguine was so horribly tame on Solstice, that I'm somehow in doubt we'd see anything like that.

The person with the instruments mentions that the cursed ones could cause violence. Not sure which route I took through the dialogue, but it was pretty clearly stated that the cursed instruments could cause people to turn and tear one another apart.