Torchbearer – Beneficial Signature/Affix Scripts Not Consistently Applying to Allies

Kickimanjaro
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I was interested in trying new builds for U49, and as part of that I've been spending a lot of time on the PTS trying out different combinations of things that I think could be useful... but many of these interactions don't work as described or at least how I expect them to work based on the description. Figured I'd throw something out here and see if I'm either dumb or if these need their descriptions or behaviors changed. As I never tried this in the live game, and I already invested too much time in setting up the tests on the PTS that I don't want to replicate again on the live game, I figured I'd just assume this is carried over from live and not a regression so that's why I'm posting here and not the PTS forums (also, saw some PTS threads got moved out to cut down on unrelated discussions or something so wanted to avoid that)... Anyway...

Grimoire: Torchbearer
Focus: Generate Ultimate
Signature: Class Mastery
Affix: Heroism (plus additional Affixes tested individually)

Issue Summary
Torchbearer states that “beneficial Signature and Affix scripts apply to you and your allies” on both the Healing and Generate Ultimate Focus Scripts.
However, beneficial scripts are not consistently shared with allies. Some Affixes propagate correctly, while others do not. The Signature Class Mastery script also fails to propagate under multiple conditions, though I only tested with Arcanist as base class on another Arcanist for simplicity. This behavior appears systemic across multiple beneficial Signatures and Affixes.

Steps to Reproduce
  1. Create a Torchbearer ability with:
    – Focus: Generate Ultimate or Healing
    – Signature: Class Mastery
    – Affix: any beneficial Affix (tested individually)
  2. Cast the ability with allies standing inside the cone.
  3. Observe which buffs apply to the caster vs. allies.
  4. Note that Minor Heroism is applied to the ally, but no Crux (tested both in and out of combat, the Crux only goes to the caster).

Expected Behavior
  • All beneficial Signature and Affix scripts should apply to both the caster and allies with the Healing and Generate Ultimate Focus scripts.
  • This should occur regardless of which of the two beneficial Focus scripts are used, as long as the Signature/Affix is beneficial and an ally is within the cone.
  • The Class Mastery Signature script is always a beneficial effect, so it should apply to both the caster and allies.

However, that's not what I see from the Class Mastery (beneficial Signature) script, which does not apply to allies when using Generate Ultimate or Healing.

I don't actually know how I would expect this to work if it did, as it could theoretically either apply the caster's class mastery (giving Crux to non-base Arcanists, or even players with no Arcanist lines which would be silly) or just apply the target's class mastery to them instead of the casters' (less silly, more logical). I think it would be cool to be able to give people who subclass into Arcanist more ways of gaining Crux, and it might also be cool to share other Class Masteries this way... but that would likely be way too powerful. I'm just caught up on the fact that it sounds like it should work, but it doesn't, and it made me sad...

Anyway, here's the actual bug:

Tested Affixes
  • Shared with allies
    - Evasion
    - Heroism
    - Resolve
    - Vitality
  • Not shared with allies (this is the bug)
    - Brutality & Sorcery
    - Savagery & Prophecy

The inconsistent propagation pattern suggests that Torchbearer’s ally‑sharing logic may be incorrectly filtering certain beneficial scripts based on category, tag, or internal script type. Similar issues appear with other beneficial Signatures such as Gladiator’s Tenacity and Warrior’s Opportunity, but as these don't appears buffs on the caster, I wasn't able to easily tell if they were or were not applying to the ally.

tl;dr: the healing and ult gen focus options for torchbearer do not share brutality/sorcery or savagery/prophecy with allies, and I am confused about which signatures should be shared and if they are or are not working as intended
  • virtus753
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    Major buffs and class mastery are not shared with allies.

    The bug is that nothing in game tells you that these are exceptions.

    Major buffs: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8224561/#Comment_8224561

    "we asked the team about this and they indicated that while the affix does apply in an area and that is expected, it only applies to the caster and Major Buffs should not apply to group members."

    Looking for the class mastery comment now. ETA: I seem to recall the devs not issuing a formal comment on the class mastery script like they did with Major buffs, but it has never been shared even on PTS.
    Edited by virtus753 on February 7, 2026 4:25PM
  • YandereGirlfriend
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    Not being able to share Major Buffs (and the super nerfed Major Buff duration) is one of the most inexplicable decisions in all of Scribing. It originally did work in some cases but that was deemed to be a bug and nerfed out of the game. At the time, primarily it was PvE'ers who were upset by that change because they had been using it in support roles.

    IMO, the original sin of the design is treating all buffs as functionally identical. So equal weight in balance is given to massively OP and rare buffs like Major Heroism and Vitality vs. the most common Major Buffs like Brutality and Savagery. Anyone who plays the game knows that these should not be treated as equivalent but... here we are.
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