Invisibility in cyrodiil. (exploit/bug , not cloak or potion)

olsborg · January 29

Whats with this new bug/exploit? Ppl are invisible for several seconds at a time suddenly reappearing and then going back to invisible. I tought it was a visual bug at first, but im seeing the same players doing this quite often now and I am inclined to believe it is an exploit.

sshogrin · January 29

there are invisible pots and even NB abilities that allow this. It's a way to gank in all reality.

Avran_Sylt · January 29

Think it's a latency bug or something in Cyrodiil.

I was being attacked by an invisible player I couldn't see, but another ally was able to see and attack them.

(as in: I could see their abilities firing at me, but their playermodel wasn't rendered for me)

zaria · January 29

Nightblade has an cloak spell, vampires can become invisible while sprinting for more than 3 secounds, you can be both an vampire and an nightblade.
If an enemy they are invisible if sneaking, they become visible and cast invisibility.

React · January 29

olsborg wrote: »

Whats with this new bug/exploit? Ppl are invisible for several seconds at a time suddenly reappearing and then going back to invisible. I tought it was a visual bug at first, but im seeing the same players doing this quite often now and I am inclined to believe it is an exploit.

It is interesting reading this, because there was actually a bug like this YEARS back (like 6-7 years ago) in battlegrounds. You'd load into a BG, and one team would be invisible but would be able to see you - so they could hit you and you couldn't even see or target them.

This was never an intentional thing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the bug itself returned in some capacity as a result of the event.

Oblivion_Protocol · January 29

There are invisibility potions and MB cloak ability. But there’s also definitely some weird latency issues that can render enemies unseen for a brief period. And that goes for NPCs as well as players. So if you can see guards but not players, it’s stealth. If you barely see anyone, it’s a bug.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 29

React wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Whats with this new bug/exploit? Ppl are invisible for several seconds at a time suddenly reappearing and then going back to invisible. I tought it was a visual bug at first, but im seeing the same players doing this quite often now and I am inclined to believe it is an exploit.

It is interesting reading this, because there was actually a bug like this YEARS back (like 6-7 years ago) in battlegrounds. You'd load into a BG, and one team would be invisible but would be able to see you - so they could hit you and you couldn't even see or target them.

This was never an intentional thing, but it wouldn't surprise me if the bug itself returned in some capacity as a result of the event.

This is probably the most likely scenario if the players are consistently attacking and healing while still invisible. I've seen this bug once or twice even well after the BG bug was fixed. I'm assuming it happens in rare cases when the server is really full, and it may be occurring due to Midyear.

olsborg · January 29

To clarify (my bad) this is not cloak, invisibility potions or the vampire passive. You can see certain skills firing from the player, but you cannot see the playermodel, you can also hear them.

Like Avran said:

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

(as in: I could see their abilities firing at me, but their playermodel wasn't rendered for me)

emilyhyoyeon · January 29

I've been noticing this as well PC EU. Can see the netches, hurricane AOEs, etc on the player, but the player itself is invisible and untargetable while throwing out damage.

spartaxoxo · January 29

Since others are saying there's some sort of bug, I'll bet it is that. But just to check, do you know if they have kollopi essence equipped? I know it's not supposed to work in PvP zones but maybe that's bugged.

Poss · January 29

Spent ages trying to find someone hiding on the inner of a keep yesterday. We knew he was somewhere cause the eye when we went into sneak kept opening. No matter how many detect pots we used, we couldn’t find him for a good 15 minutes.

When we finally killed him, I actually messaged him asking wth was he doing. He replied and said he was just running around the top in stage 4 vampire the whole time

emilyhyoyeon · January 29

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Since others are saying there's some sort of bug, I'll bet it is that. But just to check, do you know if they have kollopi essence equipped? I know it's not supposed to work in PvP zones but maybe that's bugged.

It's 100% not that. The players (the bodies) are simply not rendering, and they can't be targeted; hovering over them doesn't show their name like a normal instance, either. It's just empty space, not a transparency thing.

tomofhyrule · January 29

What are you playing on?

If there’s an issue of players not rendering, that sounds like it could be a hardware issue. I know I’ve heard people having those issues in dungeons and trials where mobs or bosses would not render in for one player, and usually it was because they had old hardware.

I know also that people on console who have had these issues on PS4 reported them getting fixed after upgrading to PS5.

Ratzkifal · January 30

Yeah, this happened to me two days ago. Someone using Hurricane was completely invisible. I could see my friends fighting them and my aoes could hit them, but I couldn't target them. Did see their attacks though! Apparently it's a current bug but I forgot what causes it - polymorph in combination with hurricane or something? The fact that my friends knew told me that it's apparently already a known bug, but maybe it's not as known as I thought. I should have paid more attention...

emilyhyoyeon · January 30

tomofhyrule wrote: »

What are you playing on?

If there’s an issue of players not rendering, that sounds like it could be a hardware issue. I know I’ve heard people having those issues in dungeons and trials where mobs or bosses would not render in for one player, and usually it was because they had old hardware.

I know also that people on console who have had these issues on PS4 reported them getting fixed after upgrading to PS5.

IDK about other people but I have a very new computer that I built last year specifically to get 60+ FPS in Oblivion Remastered on max graphics (which I do). Ryzen 7950

ETA it's not like this is happening often; I've seen it only like 3 times since I started PVP for Whitestrakes. It's very rare, it'll only be a single person among 100+

BXR_Lonestar · January 30

Plenty of sources of invisiblity in the game. NB has a toggled on/of cloak ability. Vampires go invisible if sprinting (at stage 4). There are invisibility potions and poisons that drain invisibility. Crouching will also make a player vanish. All of which can activate in or out of combat. And interaction with detect pots could potentially cause this. Detect pots only have a ~ 12 second duration, but a large radius and so if one player in your group pops one you may be able to see stealthed players for a brief instance before you/they move out of range. Or they may reactive an invis potion.

In this game, if you are in stealth and someone pops a detect potion, you can counter that by drinking an invis potion. so that could make them vanish again too.

Its not a bug, its just the way stealth works in this game.

emilyhyoyeon · January 30

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Plenty of sources of invisiblity in the game. NB has a toggled on/of cloak ability. Vampires go invisible if sprinting (at stage 4). There are invisibility potions and poisons that drain invisibility. Crouching will also make a player vanish. All of which can activate in or out of combat. And interaction with detect pots could potentially cause this. Detect pots only have a ~ 12 second duration, but a large radius and so if one player in your group pops one you may be able to see stealthed players for a brief instance before you/they move out of range. Or they may reactive an invis potion.

In this game, if you are in stealth and someone pops a detect potion, you can counter that by drinking an invis potion. so that could make them vanish again too.

Its not a bug, its just the way stealth works in this game.

No it isn't. I run detect pots on CD, and I know how stealth works and appears visually. All of their off-of-body ability effects are visible, only the body is invisible. It's not stealth.

CameraBeardThePirate · January 30

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

What are you playing on?

If there’s an issue of players not rendering, that sounds like it could be a hardware issue. I know I’ve heard people having those issues in dungeons and trials where mobs or bosses would not render in for one player, and usually it was because they had old hardware.

I know also that people on console who have had these issues on PS4 reported them getting fixed after upgrading to PS5.

IDK about other people but I have a very new computer that I built last year specifically to get 60+ FPS in Oblivion Remastered on max graphics (which I do). Ryzen 7950

ETA it's not like this is happening often; I've seen it only like 3 times since I started PVP for Whitestrakes. It's very rare, it'll only be a single person among 100+

I mean despite what the other player said, this almost certainly has nothing to do with hardware (or at least, nothing to do with hardware power). It's likely just some hiccup along the way between the server communicating where a player is and the client actually rendering the player. A more powerful computer isn't going to fix that, and while the problem could have to do with specific hardware configurations, if it does the problem is likely much more holistic and not just "this pc isn't powerful enough".

CameraBeardThePirate · January 30

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Plenty of sources of invisiblity in the game. NB has a toggled on/of cloak ability. Vampires go invisible if sprinting (at stage 4). There are invisibility potions and poisons that drain invisibility. Crouching will also make a player vanish. All of which can activate in or out of combat. And interaction with detect pots could potentially cause this. Detect pots only have a ~ 12 second duration, but a large radius and so if one player in your group pops one you may be able to see stealthed players for a brief instance before you/they move out of range. Or they may reactive an invis potion.

In this game, if you are in stealth and someone pops a detect potion, you can counter that by drinking an invis potion. so that could make them vanish again too.

Its not a bug, its just the way stealth works in this game.

This specific case is a bug. We aren't talking about invisibility, we're talking about players being fully invisible e.g., not rendering on the client and therefore not being targetable, despite other players seeing them and despite the "invisible" player being in active combat.

CaiWenji · January 31

I know one time, I lagged a bit on an enemy group burst and the game thought I was dead, even though I thought I survived. I was able to run around, attack and use ultimate. It happened at Fort Ash Keep I recall. Then I realized I was dead because a fellow AD revived me and I teleported back to the spot where the group burst happened.

Sluggy · January 31

tomofhyrule wrote: »

What are you playing on?

If there’s an issue of players not rendering, that sounds like it could be a hardware issue. I know I’ve heard people having those issues in dungeons and trials where mobs or bosses would not render in for one player, and usually it was because they had old hardware.

I know also that people on console who have had these issues on PS4 reported them getting fixed after upgrading to PS5.

This would make sense if they were still targetable. Since they are also no targetable that implies a bug of some sort that causes the client to not even know they exist.

imPDA · January 31

Since nobody else published the video, I'll do it so we all would be on the same page and probably devs would take time to investigate it. I saw exact moment person disappear, it was null arca proc, but I can't say for sure it matters, because all other invisible players appeared invisible from the start or wear no null arca. It is most likely just random or simply periodical, like 5 sec invisible / 5 sec visible, etc. They can be both enemies and allies. Some of them I recognized as well-known (or at least I knew them and met b4) PvE players, so I doubt they had intention to cheat in PvP event. I would blame some sets/skills/CP/cosmetic (are there new cosmetic or something else?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZpSRM3qsYk

Ode2Order · January 31

olsborg wrote: »

Whats with this new bug/exploit? Ppl are invisible for several seconds at a time suddenly reappearing and then going back to invisible. I tought it was a visual bug at first, but im seeing the same players doing this quite often now and I am inclined to believe it is an exploit.

Yep I just encountered a player who was untargetable and invisible in cyro, while in combat and killing me. I'd show a screenshot but there's nothing to see lol.

Ode2Order · January 31

@ZOS_Kevin Can we have some eyes on this? Especially look at the youtube video just above my comment, because that was exactly what happened to me too.

imPDA · February 4

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Hello! Could you please comment this one too, I keep seeing reports about invisible players, like today in PvP Discord:

I can file a ticket, but it is not about cheating or exploiting, I have nobody to blame, so I would not expect any answer from support, but it should be investigated by dev team. I think it started recently, but as far as I know, this bug was also a thing long ago. You can find the video above; it is everything I know. I even saw a moment person turned invisible once. Some of them are from my faction, some of them from the opposite faction, so it does not matter. I saw same people becoming invisible multiple times during a day but did not get their names, but it can tell me it is either intentional (so, then it is exploiting), or it is caused by some specific thing they had (polymorph e.x.) or combination, like polymorph + skill, and probably anybody can have it by accident, or figure out what this exploit is over some time and use it intentionally.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · February 4

Hi everyone! We wanted to confirm that we are aware of one bug that could be what you all are encountering. We are working on a fix that will go out with the next game update. There's a similar thread about it on Reddit here.

From what we've found, the effects of this bug only last about 10 seconds and it takes some very specific circumstances to trigger. So, if you see someone running around Cyrodiil or Imperial City for a lengthy amount of time completely invisible and non-targetable while attacking others, it may be something else.

Ode2Order · February 4

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! We wanted to confirm that we are aware of one bug that could be what you all are encountering. We are working on a fix that will go out with the next game update. There's a similar thread about it on Reddit here.

From what we've found, the effects of this bug only last about 10 seconds and it takes some very specific circumstances to trigger. So, if you see someone running around Cyrodiil or Imperial City for a lengthy amount of time completely invisible and non-targetable while attacking others, it may be something else.

From a quick look at the thread, it is something else then. Please check the video in post #22.

imPDA · February 4

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! We wanted to confirm that we are aware of one bug that could be what you all are encountering. We are working on a fix that will go out with the next game update. There's a similar thread about it on Reddit here.

From what we've found, the effects of this bug only last about 10 seconds and it takes some very specific circumstances to trigger. So, if you see someone running around Cyrodiil or Imperial City for a lengthy amount of time completely invisible and non-targetable while attacking others, it may be something else.

It is hard to say if it is the same as described on Reddit, because I have seen players become invisible in the middle of a fight, or appear invisible in the open field, as in the video. These are two AD players and I am DC. They came toward me - probably on horses, also invisible, because I noticed them late (lol, it’s hard to see invisible players). They killed another DC player in the video, and that player had no clue why he could see the Sorcerer’s AoE and the Netch, but couldn’t deal damage.

It might be the same bug, but the circumstances aren’t especially rare, because I saw the same two players invisible again and again. They did not die nor go through doors (in the Cyrodiil open field there are no doors), so it doesn’t line up exactly with the Reddit post. I’ve probably seen 2 or 3 more players like this, on the DC side as well. I usually noticed them only after they were already invisible, so I have no clue what happened to them beforehand, and they typically reappeared after N seconds (at 00:20 in the video, so probably 20 or more seconds of invisibility).

But one player disappeared literally in front of me - no doors used, nothing special - he was just attacking guards at a resource. So, either this is a different bug, or the circumstances aren’t specific and it can happen under a broad variety of conditions.