Daily Crafting Writs & Master Writs ?

BradTheNord · January 23

So for quite sometime now I seem to be getting 0 Master Writs on my daily writs I do them through 8 toons and I seem to never get any.

Any reason why this could be ?

All my toons are heavily invested in crafting along with plans and motifs learned.

I can’t just be that unlucky surely?

robwolf666 · January 23

I seem to get an even split between Master writs and survey reports doing crafting dailies. I think it's just random - but, Masters don't seem to drop as much as they used to.

The thing that annoys me the most about Master writs though, is they don't take in to account what your character knows in terms of styles and traits, so I get plenty of writs I can't even do.

Enemoriana · January 23

Right now did on 10 characters.
Got 9 master writs, twice it was 2 writs on one character.

However, for quite a long time I have feeling that rewards drops better when doing dailies from time to time than everyday. I believe I had empty days when doing dailies more regularly.
Too lazy to check on long distance, though.

But getting no master writs at all looks strange. Do all your characters have max level passive and do max level quests? Nobody had accidentally lose it?

ghastley · January 23

Also note that the new "unidentified" ones don't show in the master writ category, until identified. Scroll all the way dow to find them.

LootAllTheStuff · January 23

Master writs definitely run hot and cold for me, which is kind of what you'd expect from RNG.

AzuraFan · January 23

The only thing I've noticed about master writs is that I get way fewer provisioning ones than any others.

LootAllTheStuff · January 23

AzuraFan wrote: »

The only thing I've noticed about master writs is that I get way fewer provisioning ones than any others.

How many purple and gold recipes has your main crafting character learned? I believe that may influence the drop rates.

AzuraFan · January 23

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

The only thing I've noticed about master writs is that I get way fewer provisioning ones than any others.

How many purple and gold recipes has your main crafting character learned? I believe that may influence the drop rates.

Quite a few.

BenevolentBowd · January 23

If you use the lazywritcrafter addon, it tracks all the goodies you got and you can view your statistics since you installed it or last cleared your saved variables.

Cave_Canem · January 23

for best chance:
crafting skills must be 50
research all traits
max primary crafting skill, etc 10 for clothing, 5 for jewelry, etc
learn complete motifs (there use to be 3 levels of motifs to increase chance - crown bought motifs no not count)

lillybit · January 23

My initial feeling when they switched to packets was the drop rate went down a lot. I started paying better attention (counting) after a while and I figure it's mostly psychological because it's not actually working out any different

If you're used to getting say 10 master writs a day that looks like a lot. Day 2 it's even more and after a week you might be thinking about how to store them. A day now might only be 3 or 4 tiny stacks. You might have 3 or 4 of one type but we're used to stacks being 200 so it still feels like not enough. After a week it's still just small stacks (tho you've probably got all 7 by then) but it still feels less.

RNG is still a big factor tho. Last week I felt like I almost never saw a purple packet when my rewards opened, but this week I'm getting 2 or 3 with most characters. It still evens out the same over time

msgeek · January 23

I have fully maxed crafting levels on 10 toons. all know the majority of purple/gold recipes. run dailys on those 10.

two toons have 100% motif knowledge. a further two are on 110/120 full motifs, the rest are on 90+ full motifs.

i'm currently averaging 13.75 master writs per day across those 10 toons.

hopefully, in time, the gold I make from selling attunable tables should exceed my outlay for those motifs (which was considerable)... gonna take me a while though.

MasterSpatula · January 23

The game has been super stingy on Master Writs for me, too, lately. I thought I was just unlucky, but it was starting to reach the "good designers don't lean so heavily on RNG that they allow outcomes like this" phase of frustration, which is a mentality I feel a lot in this game, but never before about Master Writ drops.

katanagirl1 · January 24

Both the number of surveys and the number of master writs for me changed recently so that I can get either very few or quite a lot. It used to be more consistent. One day I can get 2 surveys, the next 11. Same for master writs, one day 2 or 3, the next 8 to 10 of them.

virtus753 · January 24

Cave_Canem wrote: »

for best chance:
crafting skills must be 50
research all traits
max primary crafting skill, etc 10 for clothing, 5 for jewelry, etc
learn complete motifs (there use to be 3 levels of motifs to increase chance - crown bought motifs no not count)

This list conflates hard requirements with scaling factors.

You have a 0% chance of getting a master writ (bugs aside) if you are not doing max tier writs. Getting max tier writs requires maxing the controlling passive, which requires maxing the skill line rank. Those aren’t something your chances scale with. They’re hard requirements.

The other things in this list do not enable master writs to drop at less than max tier but do improve chances of a drop when you’re doing max tier.

freespirit · January 25

I'm not seeing any major difference in drops.

Typically I max jewelry, alchemy and provisioning because they don't require motif knowledge to do.

Currently I could fill a swimming pool with Unknown Jewelry Writs and I just sold a load! 😁

erebus_79_ESO · January 25

Last two days has been slim on drops for me...
9 toons, 1 full master crafter with 70% motif knowledge

My mastercrafter got 0 master writs...of the other alts, i got a total of 2-3 master writs. Seems really bad when my master crafter can't get a master writ but my alts (all currently researching traits) can get some...but it just doesn't seem proportional to my character knowledge

katanagirl1 · January 26

erebus_79_ESO wrote: »

Last two days has been slim on drops for me...
9 toons, 1 full master crafter with 70% motif knowledge

My mastercrafter got 0 master writs...of the other alts, i got a total of 2-3 master writs. Seems really bad when my master crafter can't get a master writ but my alts (all currently researching traits) can get some...but it just doesn't seem proportional to my character knowledge

That often happens to me, I do all alts first and then my main crafter.

DenverRalphy · January 26

It's not uncommon for my main crafter, 100% Motifs learned, 100% Research, to get hit with a two day dry spell. It happens every couple of weeks. But I have 9 other crafters of varying degrees of motif knowledge (I use the trickle down method of passing motifs down), of which some will almost always be having a good couple of days to balance it out. It's really rare when all 10 have a bad day at the same time. But I've seen it happen.

I have more than ten characters, but 10 seems to be the magic number for me. More than that and I feel like I'm spending too much time on dailies when I could be doing other things.

frogthroat · January 26

For master writs to drop you need to do max level daily writs. That means, you have to have the skill line maxed out and the relevant skill points on that skill tree -- meaning, the first passive.

But as it is random, sometimes you get lucky, other times not. There can be a long streak of no writs, and a long streak of a writ every time. And everything between. When humans think random, we think uniformly distributed. Real randomness is not like that. Long patterns can and do exist.

You can increase your chances for the drops.

Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking

Knowing all traits is 10% extra chance. (I think this was 10% and not the usual 15% because you can increase the chances with motifs.)
Knowing purple/gold motifs that are not basic racial motifs. The motifs you know must be full. Incomplete motifs do not increace chance.

For maximising results, you can learn a handful of cheap motifs on all characters, rather than learning all motifs on one character.

Jewelry

Knowing traits. If you know them all, it's extra 15% chance.

Enchanting

Knowing all Potency runes. If you know them all, that's extra 15% chance.

Provisioning

Knowing purple and gold recipes. The more you know, the better the chances. I think up to 15% increased chance.

Alchemy

Knowing all the effects of all (base game) ingredients. Extra 15% chance.

Hm. There was a lengthy video a couple of years back where someone did extensive testing with this. Like, thousands of data points. It went more in detail than I can do (and I write from my memory, which is shaky at best), so look for that if more extensive knowledge is needed.

lillybit · January 26

On motif knowledge, does anyone know if the Soul Shriven book counts? I looked for an answer a while ago but couldn't find it anywhere. Same with Imperial. I'm guessing it doesn't because it's a racial but it's really rare too so maybe? I've never found a single one in 11 years and I loot everything!

DenverRalphy · January 26

lillybit wrote: »

On motif knowledge, does anyone know if the Soul Shriven book counts? I looked for an answer a while ago but couldn't find it anywhere. Same with Imperial. I'm guessing it doesn't because it's a racial but it's really rare too so maybe? I've never found a single one in 11 years and I loot everything!

I don't know whether it does or not. But realistically it doesn't really matter. Because after 20-30 or so non-racial motifs, diminishing returns kicks in, and after that you're really just learning them to increase the chance you're able to complete the master writs you receive.

[edit] In hindsight, I'm going to speculate that the Soulshriven does count towards the drop chance. When the term "non-racial" is used, it should more accurately state "non playable races", since technically the majority of all motifs are racial.

frogthroat · January 26

lillybit wrote: »

On motif knowledge, does anyone know if the Soul Shriven book counts? I looked for an answer a while ago but couldn't find it anywhere. Same with Imperial. I'm guessing it doesn't because it's a racial but it's really rare too so maybe? I've never found a single one in 11 years and I loot everything!

I think it does. The base racial books don't increase, but they are blue. You need purple and gold for it to matter. And Soul Shriven is purple, right?

Imperial is interesting, though. Because if you make an Imperial and if the golden Imperial book increases chances, do Imperial characters have a built-in advantage? This I have no idea.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Because after 20 or so non-racial motifs, diminishing returns kicks in, and after that you're really just learning them to increase the chance you're able to complete the master writs you receive.

Yes, better to have 10 characters with a slightly increased chance than one character with maximum chance. Statistically the 10 characters will work out better if you want a lot of master writs.

lillybit · January 26

frogthroat wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

On motif knowledge, does anyone know if the Soul Shriven book counts? I looked for an answer a while ago but couldn't find it anywhere. Same with Imperial. I'm guessing it doesn't because it's a racial but it's really rare too so maybe? I've never found a single one in 11 years and I loot everything!

I think it does. The base racial books don't increase, but they are blue. You need purple and gold for it to matter. And Soul Shriven is purple, right?

Imperial is interesting, though. Because if you make an Imperial and if the golden Imperial book increases chances, do Imperial characters have a built-in advantage? This I have no idea.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Because after 20 or so non-racial motifs, diminishing returns kicks in, and after that you're really just learning them to increase the chance you're able to complete the master writs you receive.

Yes, better to have 10 characters with a slightly increased chance than one character with maximum chance. Statistically the 10 characters will work out better if you want a lot of master writs.

I've got a master crafter who knows everything and always feels like there's a noticable dip when new motifs come out and they drop off 100%, especially if it's a couple at once.

The other 19 all know 10-12 complete motifs (excluding racials) and the drop rate went up from around 15 a day (with all research, alchemy and enchanting done and a few purple recipes learned) to about 20 average, so it's definitely worth spreading them around a bit. Not sure if it's worth the investment if you just want them for profit tho, I just wanted more master writs!

Seems like a big jump at the start and another at the end with not much increase between