Now is the time! CAPES ! ! !

Markytous · January 11

Malyore wrote: »

I gotta draw a personal line with wings. To my knowledge, that has never been a form of attire anywhere in the entirety of the elder scrolls franchise.
Having people wearing Halloween costume wings would absolutely break any tastefulness and immersion left in ESO.

Wing slots are not part of this game.

And I do know there are already some armor styles that have wing-like motifs in ESO specifically, which are attached to a chest piece. But whenever capes get mentioned, someone usually starts thinking the next logical step is to turn themselves into an elf dragon fairy hybrid with flaming wings. And THAT is what I mean by not being part of the franchise. If you want wings, use one of the 3 armor sets that have a pair of rods and feathers sticking out the backside.

My wife wanted wings so I put it in with my post. I personally want the capes lol

Four_Fingers · January 11

Don't forget the Spandex tights!

/joke

tohopka_eso · January 11

at this point, I'm ok with the capes as long as I can turn them off.

one game I remember I use to play was EQ2 and it had capes and same clipping issues. it was nice to see an option to have them off or on.

Jestir · January 11

Every skirt or dress or robe in this game looks like a soggy burlap sack sticking to your body

I don't understand why anyone would want a glued on cape

whitecrow · January 11

I too would like to see crepes added to the recipe collection.

wolfie1.0. · January 11

Soarora wrote: »

The thing that gets me about the no capes argument is that we have base-game hair styles that move. And the flaps on chest pieces. It wouldn’t look the best (especially since the flaps don’t even sit right), but wouldn’t it be technically possible to apply those physics to a cape?

No wings though, except maybe on some polymorphs. Temporary wings from spells makes sense. Walking around with wings doesn’t. I don’t know of a single person in TES to do that (aside from Sarpa argonians) and surely someone would if they could.

There are at least 2, maybe 3 armor styles I the game with "wings"

Lucasl402 · January 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgIzi5Vo_sA

Lucasl402 · January 11

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

The thing that gets me about the no capes argument is that we have base-game hair styles that move. And the flaps on chest pieces. It wouldn’t look the best (especially since the flaps don’t even sit right), but wouldn’t it be technically possible to apply those physics to a cape?

No wings though, except maybe on some polymorphs. Temporary wings from spells makes sense. Walking around with wings doesn’t. I don’t know of a single person in TES to do that (aside from Sarpa argonians) and surely someone would if they could.

There are at least 2, maybe 3 armor styles I the game with "wings"

Believe it or not, you can look it up, but there were clans in northern Europe that wore armor with "wings" like what is on Relequen armor in the game.

HatchetHaro · January 11

I do think there should be room somewhere for capes and cloaks. I understand that cloth physics is not something that is feasible for ESO, but a viable alternative would be having them rigged up and animated with the character with like just 9 bones (3 on the left, 3 in the middle, 3 on the right).

All characters already have bones for loads of miscellaneous attachments: tail bones (yes, even for non-beast races; there's just no tail mesh, but the bones are there), pauldron bones (you see your pauldrons bouncing when you run?), tasset bones (hip flaps bounce, loincloths sway), and weapon bones (that's how they attach to different points on your body and also bounce around when in action); a few more shouldn't be that big of a deal on performance and memory.

And yes, it is possible to have a decent cloth rig with few bones; it just takes some clever weight-painting. It won't have the super-detailed and realistic properties from good cloth physics, but hey, it'll still look nice in motion, especially when animated well.

If you want to add some faux-physics, say wind, you can offset the cape bones using a sine function in order of hierarchy towards the direction of the wind, with some simple constraints (dot product of wind direction with character forward vector) so it doesn't clip through the character; or a shader for displacement on the cape itself works too.

alternatelder · January 11

Eh, weird as it sounds, I still feel like capes don't fit the TES universe for some reason. And if Zos says they cause even a small amount of performance issues, I don't want to see them ever get put it in.

BardokRedSnow · January 11

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

WoW:

GW2:

LOTRO:

Clipping, clipping, and clipping. It's hideous.

Don't like it? Don't wear it. Do the pictures when they're in combat without their two-handed weapon sheathed!

Whether I use it or not, I still have to see that horrendous immersion breaking nonsense.

BardokRedSnow · January 11

Malyore wrote: »

I gotta draw a personal line with wings.

We already have a handful of motifs with them, but personally I dont wanna see a slot for it, way too cliche mmo to me. That would be my take for capes too, they could make a motif or two, or costumes with capes and wings or whatever but I wouldnt want to see a slot for it for multiple reasons.

whitecrow · January 11

Whenever I see someone with one of those wing styles I wonder why they don't break off when the character rolls.

Lucasl402 · January 11

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Malyore wrote: »

I gotta draw a personal line with wings.

We already have a handful of motifs with them, but personally I dont wanna see a slot for it, way too cliche mmo to me. That would be my take for capes too, they could make a motif or two, or costumes with capes and wings or whatever but I wouldnt want to see a slot for it for multiple reasons.

We already have tabbords. I know, it's not the same, but they have a usefulness, where capes are just decoration that will suffer massive clipping issues. We already have too many clipping issues in ESO.

Gabriel_H · January 11

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

WoW:

GW2:

LOTRO:

Clipping, clipping, and clipping. It's hideous.

Don't like it? Don't wear it. Do the pictures when they're in combat without their two-handed weapon sheathed!

Whether I use it or not, I still have to see that horrendous immersion breaking nonsense.

A fantasical magical mount =/= A piece of cloth pierced by a sword with no hole in it or that disappears into someone's body when they move

BardokRedSnow · January 11

Gabriel_H wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

WoW:

GW2:

LOTRO:

Clipping, clipping, and clipping. It's hideous.

Don't like it? Don't wear it. Do the pictures when they're in combat without their two-handed weapon sheathed!

Whether I use it or not, I still have to see that horrendous immersion breaking nonsense.

A fantasical magical mount =/= A piece of cloth pierced by a sword with no hole in it or that disappears into someone's body when they move

I agree, the mount is worse lol, and harder to ignore, but its been a thing for a while now in ESO. The capes wont hurt the ol gal nearly as much as that.

Warhawke_80 · January 11

I feel The clipping argument is just silly...Yes there is clipping, all games has it and ESO is already bad

I understand some people dislike cloaks, but

Honestly guys...It's really simple you don't have to wear them....and if you can tolerate the clipping that already exists in ESO; then someone running by in a cloak won't kill you...also The same folks saying "No Capes" are the exact same folks who said we would never get solo Dungeons.

For the game vets..Just remember how hard Rich worked to make it happen finally giving up in frustration...if a opportunity comes up to do it I can see him taking it...especially if they made Cloaks Crown Store items...that would be a windfall for Zenimax.

ESO is getting long in the tooth...the devs need to add more cosmetic choices....and to be honest I believe this is more about the Schadenfreude of seeing others being denied something than the actual issues Cloaks would bring.

That's my Two shekel's.

Markytous · January 11

Lucasl402 wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Malyore wrote: »

I gotta draw a personal line with wings.

We already have a handful of motifs with them, but personally I dont wanna see a slot for it, way too cliche mmo to me. That would be my take for capes too, they could make a motif or two, or costumes with capes and wings or whatever but I wouldnt want to see a slot for it for multiple reasons.

We already have tabbords. I know, it's not the same, but they have a usefulness, where capes are just decoration that will suffer massive clipping issues. We already have too many clipping issues in ESO.

Thank you for bringing up Guild Tabards! We could totally get Guild Capes now if the new development team with this reinvigorated design/content philosophy. Represent your guild like never before and in style! They could even do Guild Mantles with hoods attached sort of like the Three Banners War attire. Then, for clarity, there could be a setting in the options for disabling cosmetics of other players so they will appear with the Three Banners War attire according to their selected faction

That way people who absolutely despise more fun/cosmetics for others to enjoy can just disable them in their client. Everyone wins!

Rohamad_Ali · January 11

If they could do it they already would have. That's one more item for the crown store with a thousand reskins.

Markytous · January 11

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

If they could do it they already would have. That's one more item for the crown store with a thousand reskins.

No time like the present, yes? Perhaps old leadership that has moved on from the ESO project was adamant against it and was preventing it from happening until now. Thats why I'm here looking to see if we can get a word on it from the team! Doesn't hurt to try.

Rohamad_Ali · January 11

Markytous wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

If they could do it they already would have. That's one more item for the crown store with a thousand reskins.

No time like the present, yes? Perhaps old leadership that has moved on from the ESO project was adamant against it and was preventing it from happening until now. Thats why I'm here looking to see if we can get a word on it from the team! Doesn't hurt to try.

Actually they said it would hurt to try. It causes some kind of horrible tearing of time and space. Maybe less dramatic but it was bad enough to scrap and say no capes.

Markytous · January 11

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

If they could do it they already would have. That's one more item for the crown store with a thousand reskins.

No time like the present, yes? Perhaps old leadership that has moved on from the ESO project was adamant against it and was preventing it from happening until now. Thats why I'm here looking to see if we can get a word on it from the team! Doesn't hurt to try.

Actually they said it would hurt to try. It causes some kind of horrible tearing of time and space. Maybe less dramatic but it was bad enough to scrap and say no capes.

And yet we have hair/cloth on characters/mounts that have been animated just fine. The things they say and reality may not exactly be as it appears. We've heard it before. ZOS is full of talented animators/3d graphic designers and I can no longer deny that they have the skill to do it now! The only thing that is in question is the will to do so. This post is out, and, new leadership willing, will be seen by the team somehow! We already have tearing of time and space going on with Psijic Order and Apocryphal magics so capes are now in more than ever, eh?

EDIT: Also that was more than 10 years ago when they nay'd on capes. Time sure flies!

spartaxoxo · January 11

Lucasl402 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgIzi5Vo_sA

Lol I was looking for someone to post this.

No capes!

BardokRedSnow · January 11

Well, I'd much rather rock a cape than a guild tabard that replaces my chestpiece, thats probably the best argument for capes Ive seen.

spartaxoxo · January 11

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Well, I'd much rather rock a cape than a guild tabard that replaces my chestpiece, thats probably the best argument for capes Ive seen.

Good news! Soon you will not need a tabbard to rep your guild.

Zama666 · January 12

If you get a cape you should be able to fly!

Al_Ex_Andre · January 12

Capes seems a necessary addition for ESO being some serious game in the end, but hey, no capes don't bother me that much, so choose your poison ZOS, either way I don't necessary care..

ArchangelIsraphel · January 12

Malyore wrote: »

I gotta draw a personal line with wings. To my knowledge, that has never been a form of attire anywhere in the entirety of the elder scrolls franchise.
Having people wearing Halloween costume wings would absolutely break any tastefulness and immersion left in ESO.

Wing slots are not part of this game..

I don't know, the line of thinking that leads to people saying "because it's never happened before, it cannot happen now" Just doesn't resonate with me, because there's a lot of things that we've gotten that weren't there within the franchise before (both lore accurate, and non lore accurate.)

Example: Mammoth mounts. Never been in the franchise before (except via mods) Perfectly lore accurate. Also, mildly absurd. I bought one immediately.

I'm not going to go on a whole crusade advocating for wings in game, even though I'd personally like them. But if we apply that kind of logic to everything in game, then we stop seeing innovation happen. There's a lot of lore-accurate things I'd also like to see happen that we've never seen examples of in the franchise before. There's many things that could be expanded on, that we haven't seen much of yet as well. Should we not have those things because they've never been in a prior game?

(If I'm being honest, though, I can think of a few rather grisly, lore-accurate ways to do it where they wouldn't be Halloween "costume" wings at all. I'm not talking about attire, per-se )

If they did find a way to put capes in game (Or yes- even wings.) I'd also like to see a toggle where all of that could be turned off, mainly to take the load off of what the game has to render/for performance, but it would have the added bonus that people who are bothered by them wouldn't have to see them on other people if they don't want to.

Either way- I doubt it will ever happen, but I'm not beyond putting a bug in the Dev's ear, even if it goes against the grain xD (Id settle for a suspiciously feathery cape, or more feather/wing aesthetics applied to skill styles. I was thrilled with the latest "dove" skins in the crates.)

And I do know there are already some armor styles that have wing-like motifs in ESO specifically, which are attached to a chest piece. But whenever capes get mentioned, someone usually starts thinking the next logical step is to turn themselves into an elf dragon fairy hybrid with flaming wings. And THAT is what I mean by not being part of the franchise. If you want wings, use one of the 3 armor sets that have a pair of rods and feathers sticking out the backside.

I mean, we DO have flaming iguana self-cooking camel hybrid mounts...

But I was thinking of something quite a bit tamer than that ;P Rather more in line with what we see on the wraith of crows. And again, I'd be quite content with a toggle so that no one has to be bothered by personal preferences in costume. A world of hurt can be solved by toggles (I'd even like to see one that loads some kind of default lore-appropriate skins over all other players/their mounts for performances sake.)

Syldras · January 12

alternatelder wrote: »

Eh, weird as it sounds, I still feel like capes don't fit the TES universe for some reason.

Talos?

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Believe it or not, you can look it up, but there were clans in northern Europe that wore armor with "wings" like what is on Relequen armor in the game.

That style looks very much like what the Polish hussars wore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_hussars

M0ntie · January 12

100% we need capes! The whole medieval feel of the game needs capes.

People upset about clipping of capes - how on earth do you cope with all the other clipping, and floating hip flaps and all the other inaccurate aesthetics in the game? You have to see that and you're still here, I'm sure you'll survive with capes.