Same here. Played long enough to have a full craft bag.

The contrived inventory management inconvenience is not worth the price.

There is no reason to keep an ESO+ membership for me.

The craft bag is super nice.
The regular source of crowns is also nice.

I've gone without ESO+ on regular occasions, and if you are going to do daily crafting writs, it becomes more than a few minutes of inventory management.

I always purchase all chapters/DLC, so that if the budget ever gets tight, then I can still keep access to all the content. Inventory management without the craft bag, becomes so unmanageable, that I don't even try doing daily crafting or trait research on a character.

That being said, I too would like to see more benefit given to ESO+. One of the things I've wanted to see for a while is multiple levels of ESO+.
Here is a suggestion pulled from the top of my head (thus is very much rough draft version)
Basic: Gives you access to the craft bag
Plus: Everything in basic along with all historical content, and a selection of crowns.
Premier: Everything in Plus, and live access to the current content (ie seasons and other new DLC)
Ultimate: Everything in Premier along with a greater quantity of crowns, and a selection of crown crates from the most recent set each month.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We must rent the craft bag.

Oh, I forgot to add, a long time ago some friends and I all got together and formed a small guild just for us to use as a more or less personal guild bank. Everyone else has left the game but me, so I also have my own personal guild bank. I reset permissions so I can't be robbed if someone comes back and decides to rob the bank.

So ya, I have a personal guild bank that fills the job of craft bag nicely.

It just seems weird to have been so reliant on the ESO+ sub in the past and to miss it so little after a year plus of playing without it now. So I asked others what I'm missing just in case I am actually missing something.

SilverBride wrote: »

1. Access to all DLC game packs
2. Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
3. Access to the Craft Bag
4. Double bank space
5. 10% increase to Experience & Gold acquisition, Crafting Inspiration, Trait Research, and Archival Fortunes acquisition rates
6. Bonuses to progression
7. Increased Furniture placement limits
8. Costume dyeing
9. Double Transmute Crystal capacity
10. Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals

1- already have the DLC's
2- crowns aren't free with ESO+, they're purchased with real money
3- don't miss craft bag a bit
4- don't need double bank space, only have 125 items in bank as is
5-10% increase is nothing, and I've already completed all content except east Solstice
6- same point as #5
7- don't do housing, with they'd remove it and sell the system as a separate game
8- don't care about costumes or dying....or really about much of anything cosmetic at all. I care about the game.
9- They could give us 100x the transmute storage capacity and I'd still be full. Should be able to sell these boxes in store.
10- 10% sale is not much of a sale, especially given how overpriced everything to do with crown store is already

Sorry, but you just made the case as to why I SHOULDN'T be subbing.

metheglyn wrote: »

Tornaad wrote: »

The craft bag is super nice.
The regular source of crowns is also nice.

I've gone without ESO+ on regular occasions, and if you are going to do daily crafting writs, it becomes more than a few minutes of inventory management.

I always purchase all chapters/DLC, so that if the budget ever gets tight, then I can still keep access to all the content. Inventory management without the craft bag, becomes so unmanageable, that I don't even try doing daily crafting or trait research on a character.

That being said, I too would like to see more benefit given to ESO+. One of the things I've wanted to see for a while is multiple levels of ESO+.
Here is a suggestion pulled from the top of my head (thus is very much rough draft version)
Basic: Gives you access to the craft bag
Plus: Everything in basic along with all historical content, and a selection of crowns.
Premier: Everything in Plus, and live access to the current content (ie seasons and other new DLC)
Ultimate: Everything in Premier along with a greater quantity of crowns, and a selection of crown crates from the most recent set each month.

Those levels are an interesting idea and could work if the price points are reasonable. Probably a lot of people would pay a lower price just for the craft bag (at least if comments I've seen on this forum are any indication).

As for me, I enjoy all the ESO+ perks to one degree or another.

And as I said, those are just a rough draft version. From what SilverBride posted, I realize that I missed more than a few current perks of ESO plus and technically downgraded it. And as I think about it, I think the furniture vault is an ESO plus perk.
I still like the idea of adding different levels and from a business perspective, if they built it right, then while yes, they will likely have some people downgrade, they will likely have more people subscribe and some people would upgrade. If they built it right, I would certainly upgrade.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We must rent the craft bag.

Oh, I forgot to add, a long time ago some friends and I all got together and formed a small guild just for us to use as a more or less personal guild bank. Everyone else has left the game but me, so I also have my own personal guild bank. I reset permissions so I can't be robbed if someone comes back and decides to rob the bank.

So ya, I have a personal guild bank that fills the job of craft bag nicely.

It just seems weird to have been so reliant on the ESO+ sub in the past and to miss it so little after a year plus of playing without it now. So I asked others what I'm missing just in case I am actually missing something.


Brutal

Everything in there now days is mine anyway. I'm not cutting anyone off or anything like that. And if someone does come back they just have to message me and get their permissions restored.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We must rent the craft bag.

Oh, I forgot to add, a long time ago some friends and I all got together and formed a small guild just for us to use as a more or less personal guild bank. Everyone else has left the game but me, so I also have my own personal guild bank. I reset permissions so I can't be robbed if someone comes back and decides to rob the bank.

So ya, I have a personal guild bank that fills the job of craft bag nicely.

It just seems weird to have been so reliant on the ESO+ sub in the past and to miss it so little after a year plus of playing without it now. So I asked others what I'm missing just in case I am actually missing something.


Brutal

Everything in there now days is mine anyway. I'm not cutting anyone off or anything like that. And if someone does come back they just have to message me and get their permissions restored.

It is good to know everything is safe with you, benevolent Guild Overlord.

LOL.....it has been more than 6 years since anyone else in the guild has logged on. The guild was formed in 2014. I inherited it in 2015 when the original founder left the game.

I dropped it because it no longer feels like it has enough value. It used to when dungeons weren't packaged in with content but that's gone now so it makes more sense to save myself some money.

I expected I'd miss the craft bag most of all, but after the first week I barely noticed its absence. The extra time to manage my inventory is easily recovered because I'm not wasting time looting items worth maybe 10 gold each anyway just because they'd go in the craft bag so it felt a waste not to.

I do occasionally miss being able to dye a costume but I dyed a bunch of them before dropping Plus, and any new ones can wait until there is a free trial.

Housing limit is an annoyance, but the end result of not being able to edit my houses is I spend less time logged in and less time likely to get tempted by other things I could buy.

I'd say anyone established in the game has less reason to need Plus than ever.

My craft bag was pretty full when I dropped ESO+...materials in the thousands.
So I now just sell any regular materials and keep some of the more rare materials in a storage chest.

When a free ESO+ comes up I will load up my craft bag and spend that time farming to load it up again.
I bought the DLC/Chapters that interested me and so far it's working out.

If you don't need the craft bag or housing storage and are caught up with the dlc, then ESO+ is pointless now.

Tornaad wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

Tornaad wrote: »

The craft bag is super nice.
The regular source of crowns is also nice.

I've gone without ESO+ on regular occasions, and if you are going to do daily crafting writs, it becomes more than a few minutes of inventory management.

I always purchase all chapters/DLC, so that if the budget ever gets tight, then I can still keep access to all the content. Inventory management without the craft bag, becomes so unmanageable, that I don't even try doing daily crafting or trait research on a character.

That being said, I too would like to see more benefit given to ESO+. One of the things I've wanted to see for a while is multiple levels of ESO+.
Here is a suggestion pulled from the top of my head (thus is very much rough draft version)
Basic: Gives you access to the craft bag
Plus: Everything in basic along with all historical content, and a selection of crowns.
Premier: Everything in Plus, and live access to the current content (ie seasons and other new DLC)
Ultimate: Everything in Premier along with a greater quantity of crowns, and a selection of crown crates from the most recent set each month.

Those levels are an interesting idea and could work if the price points are reasonable. Probably a lot of people would pay a lower price just for the craft bag (at least if comments I've seen on this forum are any indication).

As for me, I enjoy all the ESO+ perks to one degree or another.

And as I said, those are just a rough draft version. From what SilverBride posted, I realize that I missed more than a few current perks of ESO plus and technically downgraded it. And as I think about it, I think the furniture vault is an ESO plus perk.
I still like the idea of adding different levels and from a business perspective, if they built it right, then while yes, they will likely have some people downgrade, they will likely have more people subscribe and some people would upgrade. If they built it right, I would certainly upgrade.

Yeah, the furniture vault is the latest addition to plus (I tend to forget about its existence). A tiered system really could work well if they built it right. A lot hangs on that 'if', though. As for now, plus is still worth it for me, so I keep paying for it.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

1. Access to all DLC game packs
2. Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
3. Access to the Craft Bag
4. Double bank space
5. 10% increase to Experience & Gold acquisition, Crafting Inspiration, Trait Research, and Archival Fortunes acquisition rates
6. Bonuses to progression
7. Increased Furniture placement limits
8. Costume dyeing
9. Double Transmute Crystal capacity
10. Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals

1- already have the DLC's
2- crowns aren't free with ESO+, they're purchased with real money
3- don't miss craft bag a bit
4- don't need double bank space, only have 125 items in bank as is
5-10% increase is nothing, and I've already completed all content except east Solstice
6- same point as #5
7- don't do housing, with they'd remove it and sell the system as a separate game
8- don't care about costumes or dying....or really about much of anything cosmetic at all. I care about the game.
9- They could give us 100x the transmute storage capacity and I'd still be full. Should be able to sell these boxes in store.
10- 10% sale is not much of a sale, especially given how overpriced everything to do with crown store is already

Sorry, but you just made the case as to why I SHOULDN'T be subbing.

So it gives 11 things, none of which you value. Your question was answered as to what you get. Now you can decide if it's worth the money, which it seems you have. /thread

Danikat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

1. Access to all DLC game packs
2. Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
3. Access to the Craft Bag
4. Double bank space
5. 10% increase to Experience & Gold acquisition, Crafting Inspiration, Trait Research, and Archival Fortunes acquisition rates
6. Bonuses to progression
7. Increased Furniture placement limits
8. Costume dyeing
9. Double Transmute Crystal capacity
10. Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals
11. Furniture Vault

EDIT: I had forgotten about the Furniture Vault

What bonuses to progression does it give besides the 10% XP and gold boost listed in point 5?

What other bonuses to progression should it give?

I sub a year at a time, so honestly I don't sit and think about it very often. But I suppose the main thing I sub for these days is the crowns, then the main perk aside from crowns would be the double housing limit, since I still do redecorate my houses from time to time and the 350 limit is ridiculously low for a manor home. I've played long enough that the other sub benefits aren't as useful to me.

I wonder what impact a "Move to Craft Bag" token would make?

For example, a Token costs 1000 Crowns and moves all stored craft items to your craft bag one time.