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Radiate77 · November 15

Pcgamer wrote: »

It's not the heart of zos players are angry with it's the Microsoft business first model people are against. They want more money for less content and less quality. Im personally feeling the change since Microsoft took over and i feel the loss of all those people that were made redundant. It happened in world of war craft and it's happening to eso.
Game is slowly morphing into something it dont recognise. This is just my personal opinion.

Yes I feel awful for zos employees that are working under extreme pressure and timeliness. I just dont like big business attitudes towards their clients which are us the players and the lovely people working for them who are zos team. My heart goes out to our zis team.

After Microsoft took over, there were years of content at par, it was only AFTER the repeated failure yearly and panic unionization that cuts started to be felt.

Now let’s be honest…

Which game is Microsoft more likely to see a return on? The one that just added a new premium housing currency, with 3 different versions of the same game all requiring a mandatory sub, or the one getting trashed for raising already cheap chapter costs?

WoW was acquired after ESO, and that is the game they are hedging on.

Katheriah · November 15

Gabriel_H · November 15

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

Radiate77 · November 15

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

I can’t tell if you’re advocating for the Writhing Wall or not, can you point to at least 3 REAL people who felt like the event was done well?

Here on the forums, or your native platform?

Having one cool boss fight out of the 24x30+ hours… less than 30 minutes of 720+ hours of content, does not equate to a successful venture.

Maybe you know someone who enjoyed the Camp Defense for their first few, tack on another hour.

What are we at?

1.5 hours of the 720+ hours this event ran for?

Vulkunne · November 15

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

Listen for a second ok. Just listen.

Probably vast majority of us posting on these forums are fans of the game. We play regularly and have done so for a while. It doesn't mean new folks aren't welcome, in fact it would be nice if more people who played ESO would come here and comment.

When an opinion is provided, most of the time it's because we care about the game. Ok. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't come here. Alright. In fact, I would say it's hard enough to get people to care these days about the things that they should be doing, much less a video game, but here we are. Not out of hate. Out of concern and our love for ESO. That's why many have put in time on the forums. None other reason other than that, unless it's a streamer or whatever and I can't speak to that.

The OP, when opening this thread, they decided to bundle and label everyone with criticism, by extension anyone who disagreed with them as haters. Ok, that's not nice either. In fact, that's a great way to ensure no one follows you. Your first message to the community is one completely lacking any form of empathy or compassion for those like me who don't agree with them, but then they put it on us for getting mad about their selfish, self-centered and apathetic behavior.

People aren't dumb. People will be people, but many of us have put in so much time and money on this game, plus people we've met/known, for years and so we just don't want to see it get flushed down the drain ok. Pardon us for caring. We're so sorry we care enough to spend our time and energy posting online, not to mention all the time and money invested in this game. Our opinions matter and as long as some keep pretending, we don't exist, then there's always going to be this giant gap between the people playing/paying for this game and the selfish apathetic crowd who think it's their right to lock us out.

And that's exactly what they're doing and so here we are. Pardon us all for caring and having a heart for ESO and not agreeing with people like this OP person trying to lock us out. Most would agree we can't help what happened to New World either. Amazon just did it because they can. But I have seen several well-known streamers still running vids about the game and producing new content for it. The fans didn't give up on New World, Amazon did. Just like their workers. Why the fans guilty?

Gabriel_H · November 16

Radiate77 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

I can’t tell if you’re advocating for the Writhing Wall or not, can you point to at least 3 REAL people who felt like the event was done well?

Here on the forums, or your native platform?

Having one cool boss fight out of the 24x30+ hours… less than 30 minutes of 720+ hours of content, does not equate to a successful venture.

Maybe you know someone who enjoyed the Camp Defense for their first few, tack on another hour.

What are we at?

1.5 hours of the 720+ hours this event ran for?

I've made plenty of complaints about the Event, and your statement is a good example of bias and poor framing - much like the "poll" you are defending which not only had limited responses but also leading questions.

Gabriel_H · November 16

Vulkunne wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

Listen for a second ok. Just listen.

Probably vast majority of us posting on these forums are fans of the game. We play regularly and have done so for a while. It doesn't mean new folks aren't welcome, in fact it would be nice if more people who played ESO would come here and comment.

When an opinion is provided, most of the time it's because we care about the game. Ok. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't come here. Alright. In fact, I would say it's hard enough to get people to care these days about the things that they should be doing, much less a video game, but here we are. Not out of hate. Out of concern and our love for ESO. That's why many have put in time on the forums. None other reason other than that, unless it's a streamer or whatever and I can't speak to that.

The OP, when opening this thread, they decided to bundle and label everyone with criticism, by extension anyone who disagreed with them as haters. Ok, that's not nice either. In fact, that's a great way to ensure no one follows you. Your first message to the community is one completely lacking any form of empathy or compassion for those like me who don't agree with them, but then they put it on us for getting mad about their selfish, self-centered and apathetic behavior.

People aren't dumb. People will be people, but many of us have put in so much time and money on this game, plus people we've met/known, for years and so we just don't want to see it get flushed down the drain ok. Pardon us for caring. We're so sorry we care enough to spend our time and energy posting online, not to mention all the time and money invested in this game. Our opinions matter and as long as some keep pretending, we don't exist, then there's always going to be this giant gap between the people playing/paying for this game and the selfish apathetic crowd who think it's their right to lock us out.

And that's exactly what they're doing and so here we are. Pardon us all for caring and having a heart for ESO and not agreeing with people like this OP person trying to lock us out. Most would agree we can't help what happened to New World either. Amazon just did it because they can. But I have seen several well-known streamers still running vids about the game and producing new content for it. The fans didn't give up on New World, Amazon did. Just like their workers. Why the fans guilty?

I fear you have missed by the point by a wide margin.

Vulkunne · November 16

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

Listen for a second ok. Just listen.

Probably vast majority of us posting on these forums are fans of the game. We play regularly and have done so for a while. It doesn't mean new folks aren't welcome, in fact it would be nice if more people who played ESO would come here and comment.

When an opinion is provided, most of the time it's because we care about the game. Ok. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't come here. Alright. In fact, I would say it's hard enough to get people to care these days about the things that they should be doing, much less a video game, but here we are. Not out of hate. Out of concern and our love for ESO. That's why many have put in time on the forums. None other reason other than that, unless it's a streamer or whatever and I can't speak to that.

The OP, when opening this thread, they decided to bundle and label everyone with criticism, by extension anyone who disagreed with them as haters. Ok, that's not nice either. In fact, that's a great way to ensure no one follows you. Your first message to the community is one completely lacking any form of empathy or compassion for those like me who don't agree with them, but then they put it on us for getting mad about their selfish, self-centered and apathetic behavior.

People aren't dumb. People will be people, but many of us have put in so much time and money on this game, plus people we've met/known, for years and so we just don't want to see it get flushed down the drain ok. Pardon us for caring. We're so sorry we care enough to spend our time and energy posting online, not to mention all the time and money invested in this game. Our opinions matter and as long as some keep pretending, we don't exist, then there's always going to be this giant gap between the people playing/paying for this game and the selfish apathetic crowd who think it's their right to lock us out.

And that's exactly what they're doing and so here we are. Pardon us all for caring and having a heart for ESO and not agreeing with people like this OP person trying to lock us out. Most would agree we can't help what happened to New World either. Amazon just did it because they can. But I have seen several well-known streamers still running vids about the game and producing new content for it. The fans didn't give up on New World, Amazon did. Just like their workers. Why the fans guilty?

I fear you have missed by the point by a wide margin.

When you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. When you do the right things in the right way you have nothing to lose because you have nothing to fear.
-Zig Ziglar

Gabriel_H · November 16

Vulkunne wrote: »

When you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. When you do the right things in the right way you have nothing to lose because you have nothing to fear.
-Zig Ziglar

Different meaning of fear.

Radiate77 · November 16

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.

Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.

You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.

I can’t tell if you’re advocating for the Writhing Wall or not, can you point to at least 3 REAL people who felt like the event was done well?

Here on the forums, or your native platform?

Having one cool boss fight out of the 24x30+ hours… less than 30 minutes of 720+ hours of content, does not equate to a successful venture.

Maybe you know someone who enjoyed the Camp Defense for their first few, tack on another hour.

What are we at?

1.5 hours of the 720+ hours this event ran for?

I've made plenty of complaints about the Event, and your statement is a good example of bias and poor framing - much like the "poll" you are defending which not only had limited responses but also leading questions.

I’m not defending a poll, I’m questioning why it’s even under attack? The purpose of the poll was to surmise forum opinions.

It served its purpose, right?
If someone is using it to emphasize their own personal opinion, who cares?

That said, it’s one thing to say, this is the way things are with something intangible, but simple math dictates that 1.5 hours out of 720+ hours is not a successful venture for our time in a war with everything vying for it.

JustLovely · November 16

This thread has been very enlightening. I thank the OP for starting it.

Vulkunne · November 16

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

When you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. When you do the right things in the right way you have nothing to lose because you have nothing to fear.
-Zig Ziglar

Different meaning of fear.

People have different ways of looking at things and for my part I can accept that. But others uhh judging me and deciding things and not even knowing me, with my voice not even factored into their selfish judgment, uh no. No, I'm not ok with that. And I think the people who have played this game, for years for a day, whatever, deserve a little better than that. I don't know if anyone else agrees, others will mock, go ahead. But understand, people's patience has its limits. Kindness is a luxury; it is not a right.

Even the fans and community are not going to be treated justly then surely this will show. The burden of proof is not on me but for what it's worth, I respect differences of opinion, but I do not necessarily share them. Sometimes it would be nice to argue with someone who is willing to listen and themselves not afraid to be wrong or also not afraid to not be seen as smarter than other people.

Humility is a pillar of leadership and for someone to come here and post, being so mockingly dismissive of people then that's not gonna work. Maybe better in fact, for the game to just end than end up being in the hands of the crowd with the high school mentality.

reazea · November 16

JustLovely wrote: »

This thread has been very enlightening. I thank the OP for starting it.

Yep. Thanks to those who've confirmed what many of us had already suspected.

Ezhh · November 16

StytchFingal wrote: »

The OP is not a fake account, they are an actual player. I've been in a guild with them. That said, I don't agree with the tone or content of their original post which, fortunately, has been preserved via the comments rather than being lost due to a later edit.

I appreciate the confirmation. I've read the edit, and it seems some lessons have been learned - so respect to OP for that at least. I can understand how, especially to people who haven't paid as much attention to trends in the game the criticism of long term players who have might seem excessive at times, but I think most of us realise that's not the case. We just really want to see meaningful changes before it's too late.