GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Thanks for these numbers. I also considered once to go for the full 3/3 codex entry collection. And although I like to grind sometimes, I definitely don't like it that much.

Now I am just happy if the question mark in the antiquities list is replaced with one nice picture. Good enough for me.

The only furniture I really wanted was one Apocryphal Well. And boy, that took some time. But as I finally got the last missing part of three, I was quiet happy about it.

I have one well, and have pretty much given up on being able to get a 2nd or 3rd.
I still don't have a lot of the map based furnishings that I wanted, and have just given up on it.

Really hoping ZOS addresses this somehow, but not sure how to get their attention.

@ZOS_Kevin is there anyway to have the appropriate team look at map based leads, and look into providing us a way to actually obtain these leads in a reasonable fashion?

Agreed. I've done the "buy a ton of maps hoping for 1 lead" thing multiple times. It's invariably been a waste of money. I've given up on ever getting those leads.

And I'm not willing to farm IA to get the archival fortunes to buy the maps whenever Ools sells them. I farmed it for the gear, and the leads it drops. I'm not doing more.

Nested RNG is awful. Non-weighted RNG is awful. Please change both.

phileunderx2 wrote: »

So I dug up a solstice map a few days ago and got a lead. Awesome!! But I have to dig it up in the part of the zone that isn't accessible yet.
So I doubt I'll be able to dig it up because the freaking wall probably won't be down in time before my lead expires. So what am I supposed to do?
I probably won't be able to get another.

The official solution is to abandon that scry so it resets and then you can rescry it until it appears in an accessible location.

Lilarna wrote: »

I agree. I've seen this feeling of frustration and being a victim of RNG leading multiple players in the housing community, across many of the major Discord communities, to give up on houses and even on the game itself in some instances.

This is what happened to me. The RNG across the game finally caught up with me last year (among other frustrations with the game), and I ended up leaving. I come to the forums once a month or so just to see if something has changed for the better, and all I see are that things seem to be the same or getting worse, and it just keeps reaffirming that I made the right decision in leaving because I remember being at the point of frustration that I see expressed in so many different posts on these forums and realizing life is too short to spend on a hobby that just didn't make me happy.

What I have learned is that I think MMOs are no longer my thing. With my job and home responsibilities, I have precious little time for gaming and when I do, I want to enjoy myself, relax, and feel like I'm accomplishing something.

I switched to single-player games now for the past year or so (whenever I stopped playing ESO regularly), and I'm actually enjoying myself and relaxing as I game because I feel like I'm actually progressing and getting rewarded for the things I do even when I don't have a lot of time to play. There is no store shoved in my face with expensive items. Housing is fun because I'm not having to spend tons of real money, and there is not an endless grind hoping to get something related to housing. Nothing is locked behind content I don't enjoy. There is no FOMO going on. I could go on, but you get the point.

I do hope everyone who is experiencing this frustration either gets what they want/need from ESO eventually or are able to move on and find enjoyment again elsewhere. I completely get what you all are going through and feel for you.

I've been thinking about this problem since they started doing the treasure map leads.

How about something like this:
Treasure maps are a guaranteed lead drop.
Lock boxes are 80-90% chance.
Overworld chests from 75% chance and down 15% chance per lock difficulty level.

I was really curious and cautiously optimistic to see a mention of this in the Livestream today!
https://moonpile.tumblr.com/post/805120564780007424/eso-2026-reveal-livestream-notes

"Treasure Maps - Reworked to improve user experience”

lillybit wrote: »

MoonPile wrote: »

I was really curious and cautiously optimistic to see a mention of this in the Livestream today!
https://moonpile.tumblr.com/post/805120564780007424/eso-2026-reveal-livestream-notes

"Treasure Maps - Reworked to improve user experience”

It said about treasure maps stacking but didn't hear them mention anything else. To be fair, there was so much thrown at us I could easily have missed something!

Thanks and Ugh I sincerely hope that isn't all. Stacking is only sort of an improvement – it doesn't help if it just leads to people more easily hoarding the already-too-expensive ones and make them even more expensive.

Solstice maps are still hovering ~50k PC NA. Even worse now that the loot pool has been additionally polluted by Eastern Solstice stuff. (I kept my word about not buying any more since September. It's pointless to engage with this system.)

I got lucky and found some maps cheap, and against my own word went and got some.
My result, a bunch of duds (no leads) and yet another Ayleid Sculpture, Grand Tree.

Sure it's an absolutely Amazing furnishing, but I can purchase it, and I've dug it up a ridiculous number of times.
Mean while I still only have one Ayleid Arch Wide, and haven't completed the codex on anything 'other' than this tree. :'(
This is for West Weald, with months and months of trying. Don't even have the time/space to list the new map based furnishings leads that I have 0/3 of.

So yah, nothing's changed. No way to reliably farm any of the furnishings locked behind map based leads.

I would love to see one of the Housing Discords do a poll to show how many builders have given up on obtaining these furnishings? Maybe seeing that the target market for these leads has moved on to other alternatives might help with getting something done about this situation?

onyxorb wrote: »

Could we PLEASE change how map leads work, or remove them? Other leads are easily farmable, do IA, or a dungeon, or a WB, or PVP, or a trial until the lead drops.
Map leads don't work that way since we can't reliably farm maps for a particular zone in the first place.

No, because if people don't do that kind of content, they are effectively locked out of furnishing leads - leads that as things are right now everyone can find. Keep them in the treasure chests, but just make them a bit easier to spawn, and take in to account what a player has already found.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey all! Just wanted to let you know we see your feedback here and have passed it along, for future quality-of-life improvements consideration.

Could you also pass along that the 2nd and 3rd leads for furnishing items in West Weald are still not dropping for the vast majority of players? I know the team has looked at this in the past, but the impression amongst players is that testing only checked for the first lead, not the subsequent ones. There's a long-running thread detailing this else-forums.

Thanks!

The change to "Unopened Treasure Maps," which stack, is a good idea and will help a lot with player/character inventory issues. One suggestion for making the treasure map process better (and players happier) is to add a level of curation to the opening of the new Treasure Maps. Instead of randomly generating a map for any of the Tamrielic and Daedric zones, opening an "Unopened Treasure Map" in a particular zone could generate one of the available maps for the current zone only. This would go a long way to reducing the effect of double-locked leads that torment players by reducing the hunt for rare maps for new zones, such as Solstice and West Weald.

Irenicusss wrote: »

Took me 500 west weald maps and over 600 Telvanni/Apocrypha to complete the Codex.
Haven't started Solstice yet.

Sorry to say but Solstice Treasure Maps are worse than both Necrom and West Weald combined.

1. The loot tables are larger in Solstice for furnishing leads
2. The leads for the pendulum and crocodile head, which can drop from anything, also drop from maps and interfere with the leads that only drop from the maps
3. There are more "blue" quality leads that only drop from maps that don't have any way to purchase even when the codex is complete
4. It can sometimes take 30 to 40 Solstice Maps before a new lead drops for one of the leads that only drop from that zone's maps

robwolf666 wrote: »

onyxorb wrote: »

Could we PLEASE change how map leads work, or remove them? Other leads are easily farmable, do IA, or a dungeon, or a WB, or PVP, or a trial until the lead drops.
Map leads don't work that way since we can't reliably farm maps for a particular zone in the first place.

No, because if people don't do that kind of content, they are effectively locked out of furnishing leads - leads that as things are right now everyone can find. Keep them in the treasure chests, but just make them a bit easier to spawn, and take in to account what a player has already found.

Crimson here wasn't saying to make them part of those other types of content, they were just giving examples "Other leads [that are] are easily farmable".

Zone maps are not farmable: in the ~9 months since I've gotten plenty of Solstice furnishing plans, probably hundreds of Azandar folios, etc. I got maybe 3-4 Solstice maps. Sure theoretically everyone can find them – if they don't care about spending (tens of) millions of gold or months of their IRL time.

But yes, more curation (beyond 1/3 codex, which already is) would help! MidnightDuel's suggestion might help too.

onyxorb wrote: »

Devs, could you take a SERIOUS look at Map based Antiquity Leads?
ESO seems to want to cater to the housing community, but the existing of Map based leads is actually causing some people to give up on certain furnishings, and/or stop completing builds...

Maps are something that are VERY hard to farm, it takes RNG to get them, RNG to get the right zone, and then RNG to get A lead, THEN additional RNG to get the lead you actually need.
When you have nearly 20 leads tied to a particular map, the chances of getting something you need make Crown Crate drop rates look impressive.

Could we PLEASE change how map leads work, or remove them? Other leads are easily farmable, do IA, or a dungeon, or a WB, or PVP, or a trial until the lead drops.
Map leads don't work that way since we can't reliably farm maps for a particular zone in the first place.

Even when purchasing stacks of maps, the RNG is just 'not' there. Honestly, it's to the point where we just assume we won't get certain furnishings if they are locked behind map leads.

If they MUST stay tied to maps, at least make maps for a particular zone something we can reliably farm by activities in that zone?
Also please make it something we can farm without getting blocked out by other players or bots (ie trying to farm limited number of treasure chest or safeboxes).

So this was long winded, but in summary, PLEASE, come up with a better solution?

Woah wait ...someone actually wants something to be easier?

Shocking....

lillybit wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

onyxorb wrote: »

Devs, could you take a SERIOUS look at Map based Antiquity Leads?
ESO seems to want to cater to the housing community, but the existing of Map based leads is actually causing some people to give up on certain furnishings, and/or stop completing builds...

Maps are something that are VERY hard to farm, it takes RNG to get them, RNG to get the right zone, and then RNG to get A lead, THEN additional RNG to get the lead you actually need.
When you have nearly 20 leads tied to a particular map, the chances of getting something you need make Crown Crate drop rates look impressive.

Could we PLEASE change how map leads work, or remove them? Other leads are easily farmable, do IA, or a dungeon, or a WB, or PVP, or a trial until the lead drops.
Map leads don't work that way since we can't reliably farm maps for a particular zone in the first place.

Even when purchasing stacks of maps, the RNG is just 'not' there. Honestly, it's to the point where we just assume we won't get certain furnishings if they are locked behind map leads.

If they MUST stay tied to maps, at least make maps for a particular zone something we can reliably farm by activities in that zone?
Also please make it something we can farm without getting blocked out by other players or bots (ie trying to farm limited number of treasure chest or safeboxes).

So this was long winded, but in summary, PLEASE, come up with a better solution?

Woah wait ...someone actually wants something to be easier?

Shocking....

It's not about it being easier, it's about it not being nearly impossible for the average player.

We aren't talking about big shiny mounts or the latest must have mythic. It's just furnishings that don't even have bragging rights attached. The effort to get them is massively out of proportion to the reward.

I personally just wanted to use my Antiquarians Gallery to display one of each furnishing, but so far I've only managed to get 4 solstice maps (and none of them have had leads) in over half a year.

No...I completely agree....it's ridiculous as is.