How is loot for a major event this bad?
JustLovely
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I'm not understanding the logic behind having event drops the bad. I'm deconning and selling almost everything because it's the same loot that dropped from the very first year the witches festival began. So far I've gotten two of the new style pages and everything else has been sold or deconned.
Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
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aetherix8✭✭✭✭I only got 1 page of the new style and around 20 from previous years. I don’t grind this event, loot happens while I’m doing other stuff, and I’m definitely not going to grind it any more than that. Gonna check guild traders at the end of the event but considering this ridiculous drop rate I expect those pages to be stupidly expensive.
Wasn’t it that all the previous events had this drop curated? We were getting new style first 1 time per day then the older pages? Why would that change, it was perfect. Is it to encourage players to grind more? It doesn’t work, it does the opposite; if I’m to get 1 thing that interests me and 20+ that I have to delete then I have better things to do.PC EU - V4hn13 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
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✭JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.8 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.0 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.
No. You're just posting to be contradictory for the sake of being contradictory.
How many trials and arena's are you planning on running for this event to get those style pages anyway? With a drop rate of the new style pages so diluted with garbage it's a major disincentive to even try for them.12 -
twisttop138✭✭✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.18 -
Mattymoo92✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.
Can you remove ur nose from the butt of Zos and start considering other people’s view points?
Compared to other celebration type events the rewards are worse. That’s just a fact.Edited by Mattymoo92 on October 30, 2025 4:12PM19 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »How many trials and arena's are you planning on running for this event to get those style pages anyway? With a drop rate of the new style pages so diluted with garbage it's a major disincentive to even try for them.
So anyone who wants one will have to run them MORE.
520 Style Page: Wickerchain Soul Jerkin for sale in the last 18 hours TTC
Breeches it's 530. Hat is 570. Sash 530 etc. etc.1 -
Mattymoo92✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.
No. You're just posting to be contradictory for the sake of being contradictory.
How many trials and arena's are you planning on running for this event to get those style pages anyway? With a drop rate of the new style pages so diluted with garbage it's a major disincentive to even try for them.
They really should make it so trials and arenas can come from infinite archive, it would make it much easier for people who aren’t interested in such content6 -
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✭twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.
I noticed.
Seriously though, each style page drops from different parts of the game. Legs only drop from arenas, chests only from trials etc. The other pieces are easy to get because the events that drop them are common, quick and easy. But not legs and chests, especially with a loot pool so diluted with junk.
It's obvious the critic doesn't even know this basic information and that complicates the discussion significantly.2 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.
I noticed.
Seriously though, each style page drops from different parts of the game. Legs only drop from arenas, chests only from trials etc. The other pieces are easy to get because the events that drop them are common, quick and easy. But not legs and chests, especially with a loot pool so diluted with junk.
It's obvious the critic doesn't even know this basic information and that complicates the discussion significantly.
I just demonstrated that content is being run.0 -
twisttop138✭✭✭✭✭Mattymoo92 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.
Can you not remove ur nose from the butt and start considering other people’s view points?
Compared to other celebration type events the rewards are worse. That’s just a fact.
While I disagree a lot with our Gabriel H, and it's not debatable that the rewards are junk and the event is pretty disliked, he's not exactly wrong. From the point of view of Zos (why I said hes cosplaying as a Zos dev) They only care about showing engagement, and probably how that engagement leads to subs and store purchases. I've been extremely vocal in my displeasure for this events rewards, and I believe that if they made awesome rewards, people wouldn't care that the quests were boring fetch quests. I will grind kill 5 rats or boars over and over for hours, I'm an old mmo guy, but make it worth it. In the end, I believe that everyone could've won. Zos could have top notch numbers to show off for this event and the community could've been happy. (You obviously couldn't please everyone) Now you have a community in tumult, unhappy and vocal. We definitely need a mea culpa and dialogue on what the community expects.6 -
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✭twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.
Oh yeah, I never criticise ZOS ... except every other day. The days I don't do that I point out factual inaccuracies, poor insinuations, and where people are relying on feelings instead of available data.0 -
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✭JustLovely wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.
I noticed.
Seriously though, each style page drops from different parts of the game. Legs only drop from arenas, chests only from trials etc. The other pieces are easy to get because the events that drop them are common, quick and easy. But not legs and chests, especially with a loot pool so diluted with junk.
It's obvious the critic doesn't even know this basic information and that complicates the discussion significantly.
I just demonstrated that content is being run.
You've demonstrated that it's easier to buy the style pages than it is to earn them. Thus proving the drop tables are, in fact, a disincentive to playing the content that drops the specific pages we're after.10 -
twisttop138✭✭✭✭✭twisttop138 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
Don't mind him. He cosplays as a Zos dev.
Oh yeah, I never criticise ZOS ... except every other day. The days I don't do that I point out factual inaccuracies, poor insinuations, and where people are relying on feelings instead of available data.
Hey, I thought it was funny. I also agreed with you.0 -
IsharaMeradin✭✭✭✭What I found interesting was that on my second day doing the crow and hollowjack bosses, my second account (epic) barely got anything. Yet my main (steam) which already had all the older stuff ended up getting every wickerchain page and the gold dremora style book. I don't know if I was just lucky or if it had something to do with the fact that the group (less than 12) I was in for hollowjack did not suffer a single death at any point.
There are older style pages stuck inside the witches grab bag, yet glenmoril wyrd continues to drop. That one needs to get yanked out of the drop pool and shoved into the grab bag.PC-NA / PC-EUID @IsharaMeradin
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Carlos93✭✭✭I got one page of the new style from the golden boxes, the other pages I bought from the guild merchants.
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Mattymoo92✭✭✭twisttop138 wrote: »Mattymoo92 wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Why can't we get a guaranteed drop for the new style page then go to random after the first drop at least?
We need more reasons to play, not fewer.
If the page was a guaranteed drop there would be fewer reasons to play.
The way event rewards are set up now is the reason not to participate. You probably don't even realize that leg and chest pieces only drop from arena's and trials respectively.
You're making my point for me.
Can you not remove ur nose from the butt and start considering other people’s view points?
Compared to other celebration type events the rewards are worse. That’s just a fact.
While I disagree a lot with our Gabriel H, and it's not debatable that the rewards are junk and the event is pretty disliked, he's not exactly wrong. From the point of view of Zos (why I said hes cosplaying as a Zos dev) They only care about showing engagement, and probably how that engagement leads to subs and store purchases. I've been extremely vocal in my displeasure for this events rewards, and I believe that if they made awesome rewards, people wouldn't care that the quests were boring fetch quests. I will grind kill 5 rats or boars over and over for hours, I'm an old mmo guy, but make it worth it. In the end, I believe that everyone could've won. Zos could have top notch numbers to show off for this event and the community could've been happy. (You obviously couldn't please everyone) Now you have a community in tumult, unhappy and vocal. We definitely need a mea culpa and dialogue on what the community expects.
I don’t understand why they removed double drops of crafting materials, getting boxes from the normal daily quests, boxes dropping surveys plans and such. Gabriel is right in that giving us the style page would remove any need to keep doing the quests but it’s the other points that I’m more annoyed at personally.
Im not unreasonable though, I will say I appreciate that they are trying something new but it seems pretty obvious that this would be the outcome… not to mention the bar moving soooo slowwwwllllyyyyy.1 -
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Out of thousands and thousands of players, TTC only having about 500 or so of a listing doesn't really prove your point about content being run. Sure, plenty of people DON'T use TTC so there are probably a lot more being sold, but you're treating the numbers as though these people are grinding specifically for the Leg and Chest pieces. But people do this content every day, Trial groups pushing for achieves, Arena people looking for gear, etc. These people are doing this content already.JustLovely wrote: »How many trials and arena's are you planning on running for this event to get those style pages anyway? With a drop rate of the new style pages so diluted with garbage it's a major disincentive to even try for them.
So anyone who wants one will have to run them MORE.
520 Style Page: Wickerchain Soul Jerkin for sale in the last 18 hours TTC
Breeches it's 530. Hat is 570. Sash 530 etc. etc.
With the way rewards are, people who don't normally do that content aren't going to be farming it. You're not seeing more engagement. You're seeing people who normally do the content getting drops and selling them. If people were farming Trials and Arenas as you imply, we'd be seeing more Legs and Chests for sale. But since it's roughly the same number as the other pages, it's clear that people aren't going out of their way and thus engaging more with the event.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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✭✭✭✭✭I thought we were taking about the new style page, not the Dremora motif pages that drop different pages from trials and arenas.
EDIT: typo
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✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »How many trials and arena's are you planning on running for this event to get those style pages anyway? With a drop rate of the new style pages so diluted with garbage it's a major disincentive to even try for them.
So anyone who wants one will have to run them MORE.
520 Style Page: Wickerchain Soul Jerkin for sale in the last 18 hours TTC
Breeches it's 530. Hat is 570. Sash 530 etc. etc.
That they are in the traders is the joke. I can't give them away.0 -
daim✭✭✭✭✭This is better than Anniversary Jubilee - it trashed the motif market totally, there are no no need for motifs anymore as everyone has like 100 of them each and the thrill having them is gone
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✭Yeah. This is the problem with every Witches Festival.No Effort, No Reward?
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✭✭This is better than Anniversary Jubilee - it trashed the motif market totally, there are no no need for motifs anymore as everyone has like 100 of them each and the thrill having them is gone
That's just... not true? The market recovered post-Jubilee within a few months. 4-5 months at the very most. I may not be in the high volume trading guilds, but I trade a lot of motifs, and it's been fine. The biggest dampener on prices is the listing period, as most players are just looking to lighten their inventory, and just sell at the lowest possible price.3 -
Grec1a✭✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »I thought we were taking about the new style page, not the Dremora motif pages that drop different pages from trials and arenas.
Yes, I've got the Wickerchain Soul legs page, and I definitely haven't done any arenas.It's a tradition, or an old charter, or something...0 -
Defatank✭✭✭✭Here's an idea... make combat the reward. Imagine that just simply playing the game where combat is thrilling, engaging, fun and when its over you actually want to continue to fight more things and the items you're collecting are a cherry on top of combat and then when you find rare loot its like :O awesome!!!0 -
IsharaMeradin✭✭✭✭Here's an idea... make combat the reward. Imagine that just simply playing the game where combat is thrilling, engaging, fun and when its over you actually want to continue to fight more things and the items you're collecting are a cherry on top of combat and then when you find rare loot its like :O awesome!!!
That would be too much like doing a decent job at work and your boss giving you more work as a "reward" with your regular paycheck. And if you should see an increase on your paycheck, saying "Oh, wow that's nice!"PC-NA / PC-EUID @IsharaMeradin
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Defatank✭✭✭✭IsharaMeradin wrote: »Here's an idea... make combat the reward. Imagine that just simply playing the game where combat is thrilling, engaging, fun and when its over you actually want to continue to fight more things and the items you're collecting are a cherry on top of combat and then when you find rare loot its like :O awesome!!!
That would be too much like doing a decent job at work and your boss giving you more work as a "reward" with your regular paycheck. And if you should see an increase on your paycheck, saying "Oh, wow that's nice!"
Yea you're right... What was I thinking people putting in a little effort and that feel rewarding. We all need to be lazy, have the greatest items served to us on a silver platter and those items also be rare so that we're the only person on the server to have them so we can feel special that we attained something that nobody else has.
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daim✭✭✭✭✭BretonMage wrote: »This is better than Anniversary Jubilee - it trashed the motif market totally, there are no no need for motifs anymore as everyone has like 100 of them each and the thrill having them is gone
That's just... not true? The market recovered post-Jubilee within a few months. 4-5 months at the very most. I may not be in the high volume trading guilds, but I trade a lot of motifs, and it's been fine. The biggest dampener on prices is the listing period, as most players are just looking to lighten their inventory, and just sell at the lowest possible price.
I don't know about your server but at least on PCEU this is definately the case. Sure, you can sell them fast but 1/5 of the prices they used to be, and thats because of availability (and arguably player base going down). I know because my main income has been from motifs for years. I dont bother selling stuff under 30k.""I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light." It was written on my sword, long…long ago." ―Ajunta Pall
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twisttop138✭✭✭✭✭BretonMage wrote: »This is better than Anniversary Jubilee - it trashed the motif market totally, there are no no need for motifs anymore as everyone has like 100 of them each and the thrill having them is gone
That's just... not true? The market recovered post-Jubilee within a few months. 4-5 months at the very most. I may not be in the high volume trading guilds, but I trade a lot of motifs, and it's been fine. The biggest dampener on prices is the listing period, as most players are just looking to lighten their inventory, and just sell at the lowest possible price.
I don't know about your server but at least on PCEU this is definately the case. Sure, you can sell them fast but 1/5 of the prices they used to be, and thats because of availability (and arguably player base going down). I know because my main income has been from motifs for years. I dont bother selling stuff under 30k.
Why is it every time someone argues for less rewards it all comes back to money? At least one guy in here wants to earn stuff and have good combat as his argument.
As for motifs, I'm finding that I do better when I sell volume at lower end. 10k, 15k 20k. Even 5k. Furnishings and plans for very well at that value but ymmv.
But yes the rewards for this event are bad. Maybe motifs aren't the answer but a really good capstone reward would've been cool. The worm cult house with cool furnishings or something.1
