Will Vengeance be the new PVP model?
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edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭JonesHeathen wrote: »Skill and good builds should be rewarded not restricted, with a dose of common sense of course.
Do those things go together though? If I wanted to know which of two players is more skilled I would have them both play the very same build or at the very least the same build options. I would most definitely not allow one player to bring better gear to the fight than the other.
Your builds and your ability to play them are part of skill.
What you are talking about is 2 people's ability to play the same build.1 -
ADawg✭✭✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »JonesHeathen wrote: »Skill and good builds should be rewarded not restricted, with a dose of common sense of course.
Do those things go together though? If I wanted to know which of two players is more skilled I would have them both play the very same build or at the very least the same build options. I would most definitely not allow one player to bring better gear to the fight than the other.
Your builds and your ability to play them are part of skill.
What you are talking about is 2 people's ability to play the same build.
"Your" builds are irrelevant during Vengeance. You play "Their" builds...which is not the ESO I personally enjoy. Making my own builds is 90% of the fun IMO.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »JonesHeathen wrote: »Skill and good builds should be rewarded not restricted, with a dose of common sense of course.
Do those things go together though? If I wanted to know which of two players is more skilled I would have them both play the very same build or at the very least the same build options. I would most definitely not allow one player to bring better gear to the fight than the other.
Your builds and your ability to play them are part of skill.
What you are talking about is 2 people's ability to play the same build.
"Your" builds are irrelevant during Vengeance. You play "Their" builds...which is not the ESO I personally enjoy. Making my own builds is 90% of the fun IMO.
Indeed.
If we wanted to play a Hero Shooter with template builds then we would be playing Marvel Rivals, etc. But that's NOT what we want to play and it is definitely not what is appealing about ESO.2 -
Tigor✭✭✭Making builds is of course part of the game. There are so many possibilities, and how to solve the build related performance issues? Making the game simpler could be a solution. Maybe classify gear differently so that not all combinations are possible. Now too often builds are overpowered and can't be trusted. Having to deal with that should become history.Edited by Tigor on October 15, 2025 6:40AMGM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50), Cheater Recognizer (new)0 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭Making builds is of course part of the game. There are so many possibilities, and how to solve the build related performance issues? Making the game simpler could be a solution. Maybe classify gear differently so that not all combinations are possible. Now too often builds are overpowered and can't be trusted. Having to deal with that should become history.
I suspect they fear losing players if they implement any of those ideas.
A lot of pvpers are only playing because of the game's combat, design and build customization options. Once that goes, the people playing because of those reasons will too.
Their survey doesn't show that because people that don't participate in the test aren't allowed to take it. If they were then it would show them what they already know since they aren't letting Vengeance run alongside standard Cyrodill.
The demand for ESO-lite is pretty light.0 -
Tigor✭✭✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »Making builds is of course part of the game. There are so many possibilities, and how to solve the build related performance issues? Making the game simpler could be a solution. Maybe classify gear differently so that not all combinations are possible. Now too often builds are overpowered and can't be trusted. Having to deal with that should become history.
I suspect they fear losing players if they implement any of those ideas.
A lot of pvpers are only playing because of the game's combat, design and build customization options. Once that goes, the people playing because of those reasons will too.
Their survey doesn't show that because people that don't participate in the test aren't allowed to take it. If they were then it would show them what they already know since they aren't letting Vengeance run alongside standard Cyrodill.
The demand for ESO-lite is pretty light.
I wonder what the test was all about. If data is not used for anything to prove then why putting this much energy in it?
After simplifying the CP system not many players complaint as it gave guidance.
Similar ideas for restricted gear selection should help us too, as adding new content without any change will aggravate the unbalance and lead to more mistrust. Then even more pvp players will stay away.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50), Cheater Recognizer (new)0